Douchebag wrote:
Mike North would kill for PPM numbers this big.
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon May 20, 2013 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Carbon Dioxide Levels reach 400 PPM |
This shit scares the hell out of me, and I don't see it as a political issue. It involves politics, but it will take all of us to slow down, not stop. Stopping it at this point is impossible. http://juneauempire.com/opinion/2013-05 ... r-response Although we certainly wanted heat and sunshine last summer, 2012 was the hottest year on record for the Lower 48. With all that heat, the US saw prolonged drought, leading to major crop loss and massive wildfires. Across the nation, nearly 10 million acres burned during 2012. Then came Hurricane Sandy pummeling the East Coast with $90 billion worth of damage. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) attribute these weather events to climate change. In fact, according to NOAA the United States has sustained 90 weather-related disasters from 1980 to 2008. The total normalized loss for these events exceeds $700 billion. It has been estimated that at least 1/3 of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is weather and climate sensitive, a potential impact of $4 trillion/year (in 2008 dollars), after inflation adjustment. In essence, climate change is real and dramatically impacting the US economy. All this damage occurred when the level of carbon dioxide was less than 400 parts per million (ppm) in the atmosphere. We have now surpassed this amount according to measurements made May 9 at the Mauna Loa monitoring station in Hawaii. According to Pieter Tans of NOAA, the last time the worldwide carbon level probably hit 400 ppm was about 2-3 million years ago. That was during the Pleistocene Era. “It was much warmer than it is today,” Tans said. “There were forests in Greenland. Sea level was higher, between 10 and 20 meters (33 to 66 feet).” ... |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon May 20, 2013 2:56 pm ] |
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This is great news. Let's get it up to 450. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Mon May 20, 2013 3:00 pm ] |
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I think I have some CDs with stuff around 400 BPM |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Mon May 20, 2013 3:03 pm ] |
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Mike North would kill for PPM numbers this big. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Mon May 20, 2013 3:05 pm ] |
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Scientists say the recent downturn in the rate of global warming will lead to lower temperature rises in the short-term. Since 1998, there has been an unexplained "standstill" in the heating of the Earth's atmosphere. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22567023 |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon May 20, 2013 3:09 pm ] |
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Seacrest wrote: Scientists say the recent downturn in the rate of global warming will lead to lower temperature rises in the short-term. Since 1998, there has been an unexplained "standstill" in the heating of the Earth's atmosphere. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22567023 Right, but they even say in the article that the slowdown in temperature increase would only be 20% than what was originally forcasted and that much of the lack of increase is because the increase in temperature is being stored in the oceans. |
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| Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Mon May 20, 2013 3:37 pm ] |
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Douchebag wrote: Mike North would kill for PPM numbers this big.
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon May 20, 2013 6:14 pm ] |
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so, what good does worrying about this do? |
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| Author: | Chus [ Mon May 20, 2013 6:20 pm ] |
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immessedup17 wrote: Humans are destructive. Inherent nature. Let us just accept it. 97% of peer reviewed scientists have accepted it. |
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Mon May 20, 2013 6:25 pm ] |
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Just remember that Tom Skilling is wrong everyday. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Mon May 20, 2013 6:31 pm ] |
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doug - evergreen park wrote: Just remember that Tom Skilling is wrong everyday.
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:08 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: so, what good does worrying about this do? 1) No one said it did any good. 2) I'm not sure what alternative you are suggesting. Burying our head in the sand? Please enlighten me. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:15 pm ] |
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worry about whatever you want. i'm just saying i'm not worrying about. not that I deny it may be happening. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:16 pm ] |
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It is beyond scary when you see some glaciers gone, Greenland melting etc. And you know damn well the powers that be will do nothing until they absolutely have to, and then they'll blow it. I hate to be negative, but I fear we've gone beyond the point of no return. It will take 1 (or more) cataclysmic event that is 100% attributable to global warming before there is even a chance at anything substantive happening. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:18 pm ] |
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cpguy wrote: It is beyond scary when you see some glaciers gone, Greenland melting etc. And you know damn well the powers that be will do nothing until they absolutely have to, and then they'll blow it. I hate to be negative, but I fear we've gone beyond the point of no return. It will take 1 (or more) cataclysmic event that is 100% attributable to global warming before there is even a chance at anything substantive happening. I couldn't agree more on all counts. We are probably already past the point of no return, but I have heard through various studies that the Earth would begin to repair itself if we could reverse things even the tiniest bit. I will do more research on that, though. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:19 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: worry about whatever you want. i'm just saying i'm not worrying about. not that I deny it may be happening. I don't sit and worry about it all day. But when I read the news, it scares the shit out of me. Then again, I don't do a lot about it, such as donating, so I'm part of the problem too. But I don't see how it doesn't worry you a little bit. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:22 pm ] |
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About the only thing guaranteed is the competition for the raw materials in the areas in the Arctic, etc. which are melting. These guys smell the money and they are already fighting it out for the rights. From what I've read, once the methayne starts getting released from the thawing thermafrost, the rate of acceleration of the carbon is incredible and shit will really start hitting the fan. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:26 pm ] |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... un-methane Tuesday 27 November 2012 The United Nations sounded a stark warning on the threat to the climate from methane in the thawing permafrost as governments met for the second day of climate change negotiations in Doha, Qatar. Thawing permafrost releases methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, but this has not yet been included in models of the future climate. Permafrost covers nearly a quarter of the northern hemisphere at present and is estimated to contain 1,700 gigatonnes of carbon – twice the amount currently in the atmosphere. As it thaws, it could push global warming past one of the key "tipping points" that scientists believe could lead to runaway climate change. The UN Environment Programme (UNEP) called for the effect to be studied in detail by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the body of top climate scientists convened by the UN to provide governments with the most up-to-date and comprehensive knowledge on climate change. The next IPCC report will be published in several parts from next year. Achim Steiner, executive director of UNEP, said: "Permafrost is one of the keys to the planet's future because it contains large stores of frozen organic matter that, if thawed and released into the atmosphere, would amplify current global warming and propel us to a warmer world. Its potential impact on the climate, ecosystems and infrastructure has been neglected for too long." UNEP said warming permafrost could also "radically alter ecosystems and cause costly infrastructural damage due to increasingly unstable ground" and called for national monitoring systems to be put in place by countries with permafrost, including Russia, Canada, China and the US. Most of the current permafrost formed during or since the last ice age and extends to depths of more than 700 metres in parts of northern Siberia and Canada. Permafrost consists of an active layer of up to two metres in thickness, which thaws each summer and refreezes each winter, and the permanently frozen soil beneath. As temperatures in the Arctic are rising faster than elsewhere, this could increase the danger of permafrost melting. Warming permafrost could emit 43 to 135 gigatonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent by 2100 and 246 to 415 gigatonnes by 2200, according to the report, and emissions could start within the next few decades. Permafrost emissions could ultimately account for up to 39% of total emissions, according to the report. UNEP's report came as governments argued over the future of the Kyoto protocol at the Doha climate talks. One of the main aims of the talks is an agreement to continue the protocol beyond the end of this year, when its current provisions and targets expire. But only the EU and a handful of other relatively small emitters, including Australia, Norway and Switzerland, have agreed. Japan was once a strong defender of the protocol, taking pride in the fact that it was negotiated there. But the country has now abandoned it, in part because of fears that its neighbour, China, has taken a competitive advantage because it is not obliged to reduce its emissions. Masahiko Horie, of the Japanese negotiating team, said: "Only developed countries are legally bound by the Kyoto protocol and their emissions are only 26% [of global emissions]. If we continue the same, only one quarter of the world is legally bound and three quarters of countries are not bound at all." He said it was more important to Japan to formulate a new framework that would require action on emissions from developing as well as developed countries. At the talks, governments are expected to draw up a work plan that would set out how they will draw up such a new global agreement by 2015, coming into force in 2020. But many developing countries want developed countries to continue with Kyoto beyond 2012 as part of any deal. Andre Correa do Lago, head of the Brazilian delegation, said: "If rich countries which have the financial means, have technology, have a stable population, already have a large middle class, think they cannot reduce [emissions] and work to fight climate change, how can they ever think that developing countries can do it? That is why the Kyoto protocol has to be kept alive. If we take it out, we have what people call the Wild West. You are not going get the [emissions] reductions necessary." The talks will continue until the end of next week. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Mon May 20, 2013 8:51 pm ] |
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That there such a thing called "climate change negotiations" exists shows how screwed we are. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:14 pm ] |
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KDdidit wrote: That there such a thing called "climate change negotiations" exists shows how screwed we are. Thats .....that's great |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:45 pm ] |
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We do see patterns of weather change, but I think we focus on it more because of the media and the Internet. In 1967 the record January snowfall in Chicago of 23 inches less than 3 months later was followed by the Oak Lawn tornado. |
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| Author: | donspiracy [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:51 pm ] |
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Methane is 10x worse than carbon dioxide, too many domesticated animals pooping and farting everywhere. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:53 pm ] |
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Mini Ditka wrote: We do see patterns of weather change, but I think we focus on it more because of the media and the Internet. In 1967 the record January snowfall in Chicago of 23 inches less than 3 months later was followed by the Oak Lawn tornado. You are using Mike North's logic. That is a poor choice. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:53 pm ] |
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I am sure China will be onboard with any "climate" decisions that are made.
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| Author: | Chus [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:57 pm ] |
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conns7901 wrote: I am sure China will be onboard with any "climate" decisions that are made. Actually, they are. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... ergy-world |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Mon May 20, 2013 11:00 pm ] |
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Chus wrote: Mini Ditka wrote: We do see patterns of weather change, but I think we focus on it more because of the media and the Internet. In 1967 the record January snowfall in Chicago of 23 inches less than 3 months later was followed by the Oak Lawn tornado. You are using Mike North's logic. That is a poor choice. Right well there are tragedies that happen all around the world on a daily basis, but we tend to focus on the American ones or the natural disasters that are too big to ignore like the Tsunami and the Haiti earthquake. We don't hear about the ones that are not given media attention. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Mon May 20, 2013 11:06 pm ] |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue May 21, 2013 5:36 am ] |
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leashyourkids wrote: I couldn't agree more on all counts. We are probably already past the point of no return, but I have heard through various studies that the Earth would begin to repair itself if we could reverse things even the tiniest bit. I will do more research on that, though. The Earth will repair itself no matter what. We could set off 100 nuclear bombs and it would survive and replenish itself. The only question is how badly it would suck to sit around waiting for the Earth to do it's thing.Humans have actually done a really good job of starting the process of fixing things. They still aren't there yet as there are still a few more key things that need to happen that just aren't there yet. It will be warmer but considering we still are technically in an ice age the Earth can afford some warming. |
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| Author: | Elmhurst Steve [ Tue May 21, 2013 6:58 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: so, what good does worrying about this do? the point (I would think it's his point) is that we all need to minimize our carbon footprint. It means driving an electric vehicle or hybrid if possible. If not, perhaps driving a vehicle that gets great gas mileage. It means setting temperature controls in your home at reasonable levels. It means walking or biking when possible rather than driving. Some people even choose to use push mowers rather than a gas powered one. Some use solar panels, etc... Worrying does some good if the worrying causes you to behave in a way that is more responsible to the environment. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue May 21, 2013 7:02 am ] |
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Scary shot indeed, greed n corruption will retard any real change. |
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