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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Everynight on the news there is some feel good story about a young man (or woman) coming back from the war. They are greeted by a bunch of fat middle aged men on motorcycles,hug their wives and kids and get handshakes all around. What happens when the camera lights shut off? The armed forces should have a "back to work" program to help these guys out. They should be working hand in hand with the TSA to get these guys some kind of job. I would feel better going to the airports knowing they are manned with former soldiers. It seems like I read about "vets not finding work" a lot. That's sad. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Phil McConkey has a company. Not sure if it is non profit or not, but they help vets find jobs on wall street. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
bigfan wrote: Phil McConkey has a company. Not sure if it is non profit or not, but they help vets find jobs on wall street. What do they have them do? Shine shoes? Sweep the floor? Polish the brass? |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Colonel Angus wrote: bigfan wrote: Phil McConkey has a company. Not sure if it is non profit or not, but they help vets find jobs on wall street. What do they have them do? Shine shoes? Sweep the floor? Polish the brass? Make terrible posts on a message board. Wait.... |
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| Author: | reents [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
I thought Walmart was supposed to hire these people. |
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| Author: | a retard [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
There are big tax credits available to employers who hire vets. And jobs posted at Wisconsin Job Center can be viewed just by vets for the first 24 hours. Only then are they available to any one else. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
jimmypasta wrote: Everynight on the news there is some feel good story about a young man (or woman) coming back from the war. They are greeted by a bunch of fat middle aged men on motorcycles,hug their wives and kids and get handshakes all around. What happens when the camera lights shut off? The armed forces should have a "back to work" program to help these guys out. They should be working hand in hand with the TSA to get these guys some kind of job. I would feel better going to the airports knowing they are manned with former soldiers. It seems like I read about "vets not finding work" a lot. That's sad. Not to come off like an insensitive prick but why should there be any special onus on finding vets a job anymore than anyone else? Hopefully their MoS makes them employable . Aren't there several agencies already dedicated to helping them find work after they serve? Farvio? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Yes, there are all sorts of programs for this. This was a great idea....in 1950 |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
rogers park bryan wrote: Yes, there are all sorts of programs for this. This was a great idea....in 1950 ??? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Yes, there are all sorts of programs for this. This was a great idea....in 1950 ??? Jimmy is saying there should be a program There ARE several programs that have been around for decades. Im saying, if he came up with this idea 63 years ago, he might have had something. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Ahhh gotcha. He just hated seeing Robert E Lee out of work for so long |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Yeah,the job program might not have helped anyone since 1950 either,wiseass: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/11/wh ... -get-jobs/ They worked in some of the most adverse conditions in the world, often achieving their missions while under fire on the battlefield. But while the men and women of the U.S. military are highly trained in job skills and leadership, their experience doesn't always immediately translate into jobs in the civilian sector. The unemployment rate among veterans of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is several points higher than the national average. The unemployment rate for veterans who left the military after 2001 was 12.1% last month, leaving about 240,000 veterans out of work, according to the White House. The national jobless rate is 9%, according the Department of Labor. Fourteen percent of veterans who served in the National Guard or Reserve units are jobless, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the nation’s largest business association. And the rate is worse for all post-9/11 veterans under the age of 24, said Kevin Schmiegel, the chamber’s vice president of veterans’ employment programs. "Roughly one out of every four in that cohort is out of a job," he said. Veterans’ unemployment rate is expected to rise as the U.S. troop drawdown in Iraq shifts into high gear – virtually all of the 39,000 troops still in Iraq in October will be withdrawn by December 31. Also, about 100,000 National Guard members and reservists will be demobilized in the coming months. Most of those men and women will enter the civilian job market. The U.S. House next week is expected to pass a bill – already passed by the Senate – that will give employers up to a $5,600 tax credit for hiring a veteran who has been unemployed for six months. But the incentive may not be enough for many veterans to get a job. Recent veterans have a hard time translating their training and experience into terms that a human resources manager can understand, Schmiegel said. "What they often do ... when they stand in front of employers is they use military jargon, and it becomes confusing to HR managers who may have not served in the military and don't understand the value of hiring a veteran," Schmiegel said. Schmiegel said veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan have a tremendous amount of training and experience, but the private sector requires paperwork to prove it. "We have young men and women, thousands and thousands of them, that have driven trucks and heavy machinery in the military, but they can't go immediately into a private sector job because they don't have a credential or a license in that state," Schmiegel said. "You have corpsmen and medics in the Navy and the Army who can't get jobs as (emergency medical technicians) in the private sector working at hospitals and the like because they have to go through rigorous credentialing and licensing. So, we have to start looking at doing those things before they leave [the military]." The bill that the House is expected to pass next week, besides offering tax incentives to hire veterans, also would attempt to address the licensing obstacle. The bill would create a project directing the Labor Department to figure out ways for veterans to use their specialized training to get licenses in different fields in the civilian work force. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is helping veterans sell themselves to potential employers with a program called Hire Our Heroes. They're putting on 100 job fairs across the country as they try to match qualified veterans with job openings in their areas. K.C. Baney showed up at one of those job fairs in New Jersey a few weeks ago. The 36-year-old from Island Heights, New Jersey, spent 10 years in the U.S. Army and served in some of the most dangerous places in the world. "It was time to be around for my two little girls and stop being shot at, so it was time to carve a new path in life," Baney said. He knew he was entering a tough job market for veterans. The challenge for Baney was taking what he learned in his military training and experience in Iraq and Afghanistan and making it applicable to a civilian work environment. "A lot of that gets lost in translation, if you will, between some companies not really understanding what you did and what you went through, and what you're able to achieve, perform and provide to a company in the civilian sector." Baney wound up being hired by Hecht Trailers in Toms River, New Jersey. The family-run business rents, sells and repairs just about everything that can be hooked up to a trailer hitch. Manager Mark Blue said they hired three veterans that they met at the Hire Our Heroes job fair. "They want to come to work every single day. They're hard-working because they've been brought up that way through their military," Blue said. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Oh ok. Im a wise ass because you came up with the "idea" to help vets get jobs that has been around for literally 70 years? I think we should have an unemployment office and we should let blacks people vote. What do you think? |
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| Author: | reents [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
I was talking to a veteran recently who was in Afghansitan, a reason an employment agency told him it was tough, because a veteran goes to work and wants to change things to make it easier because there use to that, but business don't want to change the way they do something. So business don't hire them and that was one of the reasons. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
reents wrote: I was talking to a veteran recently who was in Afghansitan, a reason an employment agency told him it was tough, because a veteran goes to work and wants to change things to make it easier because there use to that, but business don't want to change the way they do something. So business don't hire them and that was one of the reasons. huh? |
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| Author: | Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
A lot of these vets have a hard time getting jobs for many of the same reasons they joined the military....they are not the best and brightest individuals. They join the military (many) because they can't find a job outside the military, either because they did very poorly in school or got into trouble and join the military to avoid jail. When they get out, they are not likely to be much brighter and if they have a criminal history (even if it's just misdemeanors) it doesn't go away. If some loser joined the military to avoid jail or because he couldn't get a real job, why the hell would I want him? I don't. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Its too bad they can't find work as "Man in Taxi" or "Janitor #2" |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
How to you go from blowing things up to selling aluminum siding? Tough transition. A lot of these guys didn't have stellar occupational prospects before they went into the military. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
reents wrote: I was talking to a veteran recently who was in Afghansitan, a reason an employment agency told him it was tough, because a veteran goes to work and wants to change things to make it easier because there use to that, but business don't want to change the way they do something. So business don't hire them and that was one of the reasons. Gotta hate those soldiers who can't follow orders and just go off and do their own thing. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Hatchetman wrote: How to you go from blowing things up to selling aluminum siding? Ask Jerry Angelo.
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Elmhurst Steve wrote: A lot of these vets have a hard time getting jobs for many of the same reasons they joined the military....they are not the best and brightest individuals. They join the military (many) because they can't find a job outside the military, either because they did very poorly in school or got into trouble and join the military to avoid jail. When they get out, they are not likely to be much brighter and if they have a criminal history (even if it's just misdemeanors) it doesn't go away. If some loser joined the military to avoid jail or because he couldn't get a real job, why the hell would I want him? I don't. Some do it for love of country, too. |
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| Author: | Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
jimmypasta wrote: Elmhurst Steve wrote: A lot of these vets have a hard time getting jobs for many of the same reasons they joined the military....they are not the best and brightest individuals. They join the military (many) because they can't find a job outside the military, either because they did very poorly in school or got into trouble and join the military to avoid jail. When they get out, they are not likely to be much brighter and if they have a criminal history (even if it's just misdemeanors) it doesn't go away. If some loser joined the military to avoid jail or because he couldn't get a real job, why the hell would I want him? I don't. Some do it for love of country, too. I'm sure there are a small percentage of individuals that are intelligent, did well in school, never got arrested and had lot's of options in life that chose the military out of an overwhelming sense of love of their country. But I'll bet most of the few that fit that description, regretted signing on though, when they realized they were in a small minority and that most of the people they were now serving with were people they would rather not be associated with. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
You realize they provide a invaluable service that you are not willing to? The military gives an opportunity and education to people that might not have either. They are given structure, some for the first times in their life. Many are doing it for the chance and future, it will bring them options. It absolutely amazes me how exasperatingly stupid you are. I cannot believe anybody let you be a cop, but let's face it, it wasn't hard back then. You get dumber with each post and phone call. You are a bottomless pit of complete and utter idiocity. You are a huge part of the problem that you so often and vehemently decry and you are too damn fucking dim-witted to realize it. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Spaulding wrote: You realize they provide a invaluable service that you are not willing to? The military gives an opportunity and education to people that might not have either. They are given structure, some for the first times in their life. Many are doing it for the chance and future, it will bring them options. It absolutely amazes me how exasperatingly stupid you are. I cannot believe anybody let you be a cop, but let's face it, it wasn't hard back then. You get dumber with each post and phone call. You are a bottomless pit of complete and utter idiocity. You are a huge part of the problem that you so often and vehemently decry and you are too damn fucking dim-witted to realize it. Bam. Roasted . |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
Elmhurst Steve wrote: I'm sure there are a small percentage of individuals that are intelligent, did well in school, never got arrested and had lot's of options in life that chose the military out of an overwhelming sense of love of their country. But I'll bet most of the few that fit that description, regretted signing on though, when they realized they were in a small minority and that most of the people they were now serving with were people they would rather not be associated with. I ignore a lot of stuff you say but this really takes the cake. You are a totally clueless cuntswab. You do realize that the 70's era of forced entry into the service rather than jail has been dead a long time right. The closest you might get is someone who gets off easy on a charge in pretrial if they tell the judge he joined the military. The military is being cut. They turn away individuals based on test scores. They don't beg dumb asses to be in. Furthermore, your statement that the military are not our brightest bulbs well try this... In the Army (which I was) do you have any idea how smart you must be to be Ranger or even admin jobs? The amount of intelligence to run a company inventory? Do you think they can handle a dock job or forklift asshole? I won't even mention equipment (particularly chopper or aircraft) mechanics, air traffic controllers, or any number of electronic based jobs in Navy and Air Force. Do me a favor and don't respond or I might just end up back home and show you how dumb I am asshole. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
You obviously don't appreciate the skill it takes to paint a room Mike |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Finding jobs for American Vets! |
pittmike wrote: Elmhurst Steve wrote: I'm sure there are a small percentage of individuals that are intelligent, did well in school, never got arrested and had lot's of options in life that chose the military out of an overwhelming sense of love of their country. But I'll bet most of the few that fit that description, regretted signing on though, when they realized they were in a small minority and that most of the people they were now serving with were people they would rather not be associated with. I ignore a lot of stuff you say but this really takes the cake. You are a totally clueless cuntswab. You do realize that the 70's era of forced entry into the service rather than jail has been dead a long time right. The closest you might get is someone who gets off easy on a charge in pretrial if they tell the judge he joined the military. The military is being cut. They turn away individuals based on test scores. They don't beg dumb asses to be in. Furthermore, your statement that the military are not our brightest bulbs well try this... In the Army (which I was) do you have any idea how smart you must be to be Ranger or even admin jobs? The amount of intelligence to run a company inventory? Do you think they can handle a dock job or forklift asshole? I won't even mention equipment (particularly chopper or aircraft) mechanics, air traffic controllers, or any number of electronic based jobs in Navy and Air Force. Do me a favor and don't respond or I might just end up back home and show you how dumb I am asshole. I once dated a girl with a forklift asshole. |
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