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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Educational testing |
1) MAP and AIMSweb assessments in September, January in May 2) The ISAT in March 3) Otis-Lennon in October Who pays for this? Nobody does anything with the results and it's a huge waste of time. Stop it. If there is a teacher that is more knowledgeable than me that can explain this hot garbage, I'd love to hear it! |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Spaulding wrote: Who pays for this? Do you pay taxes? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Spaulding wrote: 1) MAP and AIMSweb assessments in September, January in May 2) The ISAT in March 3) Otis-Lennon in October Who pays for this? Nobody does anything with the results and it's a huge waste of time. Stop it. If there is a teacher that is more knowledgeable than me that can explain this hot garbage, I'd love to hear it! Im not a big fan of the weight these tests are given, but we have to evaluate the schools somehow. When I was in school we took the test, but we just took it. We maybe talked about it the day before. Now they're teaching the test. You should watch season 4 of The Wire and you'll see |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Schools must be held accountable for what the parents have done!! |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Spaulding wrote: 1) MAP and AIMSweb assessments in September, January in May 2) The ISAT in March 3) Otis-Lennon in October Who pays for this? Nobody does anything with the results and it's a huge waste of time. Stop it. If there is a teacher that is more knowledgeable than me that can explain this hot garbage, I'd love to hear it! The people in North Downers Grove do. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Spaulding wrote: 3) Otis-Lennon in October isn't that a brand of cookie ? i think you're just lying about all of this |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Spaulding wrote: 1) MAP and AIMSweb assessments in September, January in May 2) The ISAT in March 3) Otis-Lennon in October Who pays for this? Nobody does anything with the results and it's a huge waste of time. Stop it. If there is a teacher that is more knowledgeable than me that can explain this hot garbage, I'd love to hear it! Will all be going to this computer based one in the next couple of years. http://www.parcconline.org/ |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
The top students have to be identified in some way. Heaven knows that statistics and test scores say much more about a person than character and resolve. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Teachers hate this whole set up as much as parents. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
The testing would be a lot more effective if they fired from school the lowest 10% of kids. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: The testing would be a lot more effective if they fired from school the lowest 10% of kids. Charter schools here actually do that about 4-6 weeks before the ISAT. Can't upset the numbers=$$ practice. Then the neighborhood schools are forced to take them (but not the yearly per student $ allocation that stays with the Charter), and have their poor scores included in the "new" school's testing results. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
rogers park bryan wrote: Now they're teaching the test. I never understood how this can even be done. Unless these test-makers are telling the schools "Here are the exact topics that will be covered on the test", there really isn't anyway to teach a test. Either you know the answer, or you don't. The best thing a teach can do is plan their lessons well, and hopefully the kids are smart and well prepared for an assessment. The same applies for kids who take ACT or SAT prep courses. I never understood those either. Wouldn't the best way to prepare for these tests, is to just do well in school? |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
i use Cleland notes to study |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Douchebag wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Now they're teaching the test. I never understood how this can even be done. Unless these test-makers are telling the schools "Here are the exact topics that will be covered on the test", there really isn't anyway to teach a test. Either you know the answer, or you don't. The best thing a teach can do is plan their lessons well, and hopefully the kids are smart and well prepared for an assessment. The same applies for kids who take ACT or SAT prep courses. I never understood those either. Wouldn't the best way to prepare for these tests, is to just do well in school? These tests aren't like categories from Jeopardy...Of course the schools know pretty much exactly what will be asked. In the past you were exposed to a wide variety of subjects. Now the focus is essentially on the 3 r's to the exclusion of non-tested subjects such as Social Studies. (Note: I can only speak for elementary school. Maybe it's different in the later grades). |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Testing is stupid. Students should be judged on their looks, their clothes, their taste in music and who their friends/parents are. Also, epic games of king of the hill, smear the queer and dodgeball to sort out the wheat from the chaff. As America moves toward a testing based educational experience, Chiner, South Korea and other countries long enamored of exam-based filtering and sorting of students are trying to figure out how to make their educational systems reward/acknowledge/encourage creativity/out of the box thinking the way the U.S. educational system has done in the past. But if they are going to test and grade, it's silly to test and grade the students and not the teachers. Firing failing teachers is the most critical need in U.S. K-12 education. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Bagels wrote: i use Cleland notes to study Fuck the Cavaliers. |
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| Author: | beni hanna [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Regular Reader wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: The testing would be a lot more effective if they fired from school the lowest 10% of kids. Charter schools here actually do that about 4-6 weeks before the ISAT. Can't upset the numbers=$$ practice. Then the neighborhood schools are forced to take them (but not the yearly per student $ allocation that stays with the Charter), and have their poor scores included in the "new" school's testing results. Wow. Not sure how this escaped the me and or mainstream. 10% up and then 10% down is a big swing for an area. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote: Douchebag wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Now they're teaching the test. I never understood how this can even be done. Unless these test-makers are telling the schools "Here are the exact topics that will be covered on the test", there really isn't anyway to teach a test. Either you know the answer, or you don't. The best thing a teach can do is plan their lessons well, and hopefully the kids are smart and well prepared for an assessment. The same applies for kids who take ACT or SAT prep courses. I never understood those either. Wouldn't the best way to prepare for these tests, is to just do well in school? These tests aren't like categories from Jeopardy...Of course the schools know pretty much exactly what will be asked. In the past you were exposed to a wide variety of subjects. Now the focus is essentially on the 3 r's to the exclusion of non-tested subjects such as Social Studies. (Note: I can only speak for elementary school. Maybe it's different in the later grades). Some of my friends who teach grades 1-5 in public schools do not even pass out social studies books because there is nothing on the ISAT involving social studies. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Douchebag wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Now they're teaching the test. I never understood how this can even be done. Unless these test-makers are telling the schools "Here are the exact topics that will be covered on the test", there really isn't anyway to teach a test. Either you know the answer, or you don't. The best thing a teach can do is plan their lessons well, and hopefully the kids are smart and well prepared for an assessment. The same applies for kids who take ACT or SAT prep courses. I never understood those either. Wouldn't the best way to prepare for these tests, is to just do well in school? Practice tests raise scores |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
rogers park bryan wrote: Douchebag wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Now they're teaching the test. I never understood how this can even be done. Unless these test-makers are telling the schools "Here are the exact topics that will be covered on the test", there really isn't anyway to teach a test. Either you know the answer, or you don't. The best thing a teach can do is plan their lessons well, and hopefully the kids are smart and well prepared for an assessment. The same applies for kids who take ACT or SAT prep courses. I never understood those either. Wouldn't the best way to prepare for these tests, is to just do well in school? Practice tests raise scores Yeah, I didn't know that idea was really questioned. Practicing taking a test - part of which is getting used to the time constraints, the structure, all the little idiosynchrasies, is entirely separate from classroom education. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Don Tiny wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Douchebag wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Now they're teaching the test. I never understood how this can even be done. Unless these test-makers are telling the schools "Here are the exact topics that will be covered on the test", there really isn't anyway to teach a test. Either you know the answer, or you don't. The best thing a teach can do is plan their lessons well, and hopefully the kids are smart and well prepared for an assessment. The same applies for kids who take ACT or SAT prep courses. I never understood those either. Wouldn't the best way to prepare for these tests, is to just do well in school? Practice tests raise scores Yeah, I didn't know that idea was really questioned. Practicing taking a test - part of which is getting used to the time constraints, the structure, all the little idiosynchrasies, is entirely separate from classroom education. Practice tests are not identical to what will be on the actual test though. What can you practice? Filling in bubbles? |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
Douchebag wrote: Don Tiny wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Practice tests raise scores Yeah, I didn't know that idea was really questioned. Practicing taking a test - part of which is getting used to the time constraints, the structure, all the little idiosynchrasies, is entirely separate from classroom education. Practice tests are not identical to what will be on the actual test though. What can you practice? Filling in bubbles? That's not a terribly incisive point though. A driving test isn't identical to daily commuting, so why bother with it? Even that comparison isn't terribly incisive either, though. Practice tests absolutely mirror structure, wording, timing, and all of that ... that's the point - you're learning about the test itself as much or moreso than your actual knowledge. Of course one's grasp of the tested subject is paramount, but the separation of importance between a test's subject vs structure is minimal. A pretty good "test taker" probably doesn't need to concern themselves too much with, for example, a Pre ACT class beyond simulating the test taking experience. But a pretty good "test taker" is going to key in naturally on the "clues" offered by the practice test that show up in the real test itself. Doesn't directly make them smarter people though, that's for damned sure. |
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Educational testing |
If you practice something, you get better at it. Though, I'm not sure taking a pre-ACT exam will drastically improve your score unless the questions are easier or similar in nature. I don't think there is a post test breakdown or commonly incorrect answers, but maybe there is. I will say that the P.E. exam was a lot easier than the practice exams and sample questions. |
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