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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | JFK assasination: A second Look |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqk3sdfX ... e=html5_3d The Zapruder film shows at least 2 different individuals on the grassy knoll moving suspiciously. For years I have heard all kinds of stories about "Zapruder" but it's actually been ages since I watched it. I think Sam "Momo" Giancana was behind it under orders from Castro,who in turn got his orders from Moscow who lost face from backing down from "the Cuban Missile Affair". Or maybe it was just one lone nutjob? What do you think? |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JFK assasination: A second Look |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSXQYvm57YM Before laughing this off,check out the above video! |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:32 pm ] |
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Had to be more than one shooter. |
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| Author: | Psycory [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:35 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSXQYvm57YM Before laughing this off,check out the above video! I had already started down that rabbit hole, I'm up to the Jessie Ventura video. Good pregame bears stuff to watch. |
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| Author: | Furious Styles [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JFK assasination: A second Look |
What Oswald did wasn't as impossible as some people want to make it seem. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:22 pm ] |
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Furious Styles wrote: What Oswald did wasn't as impossible as some people want to make it seem. Have you ever used a bolt action rifle? I'm not giving you shit I'm just asking... I've used a bolt action... bunch of times and I'll tell ya the first shot is easy but working the action and getting the scope on a moving object is hard as hell, and doing it twice? I don't know. |
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| Author: | Furious Styles [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JFK assasination: A second Look |
I watched a doc. where an old-timer replicated with ease the shot sequence with the same rifle. Ever seen the view from bldg.? Just wasn'tt that outrageous for someone of Oswald's skill, which wasn't relatively expert-level, but certainly enough to get the job done. Are you in a bathtub now? Are you wearing a bicycle helmet? |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:56 pm ] |
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Furious Styles wrote: I watched a doc. where an old-timer replicated with ease the shot sequence with the same rifle. Evers een the view from bldg.? Just wasn'tt that outrageous for someone of Oswald's skill, which wasn't relatively expert-level, butvcertainly enough to get the job done. Are you in a bathtub now? Are you wearing a bicycle helmet? Yes he is but it has nothing to do with the weather. |
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| Author: | chaspoppcap [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JFK assasination: A second Look |
Furious Styles wrote: I watched a doc. where an old-timer replicated with ease the shot sequence with the same rifle. Ever seen the view from bldg.? Just wasn'tt that outrageous for someone of Oswald's skill, which wasn't relatively expert-level, but certainly enough to get the job done. Are you in a bathtub now? Are you wearing a bicycle helmet? The thing is the first shot was the worst one, shooting like that under pressure there is noway your aim gets better. Shot 1 totally missed and hit the sidewalk inuring a man named James Teague. I have read a lot on this as well as RFK and Dr King. By comparison this one is the least strange and smelling of a conspiracy. A good place to start is Crossfire by Jim Marrs. If you want I will PM you a couple of decent books on the subject. One other thing that points totally away from Oswald is that he was confronted 35 seconds later by a Dallas Policeman and building supervisor with a bottle of Coke in his hands. Now in those days it was ajo to open one of them plus he was calm and not breathing heavy,anyone would have as he had to come down 6 flights of stairs in that time frame. Oswald was what he said ,a patsy. He was set-up to take the fall. He was not supposed to make it out of the theater. Do yourself a favor do not read Posners book,total bullshit as is this new one that claimes the Secret Service did it on accident. |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:47 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSXQYvm57YM Before laughing this off,check out the above video! It seems that there are some important elements left out (or out of context)which make the seemingly damning evidence a bit more suspect. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/milteer.htm For a broader interpretation of the array of conspiracy theories... http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:24 pm ] |
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I don't know...sometimes things are as they seem. |
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| Author: | Peoria Matt [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:24 pm ] |
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote: jimmypasta wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSXQYvm57YM Before laughing this off,check out the above video! It seems that there are some important elements left out (or out of context)which make the seemingly damning evidence a bit more suspect. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/milteer.htm For a broader interpretation of the array of conspiracy theories... http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm What the hell, it's worth a shot. Beats a hole in the head, that's for sure. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:18 pm ] |
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Blame Bush. HW Bush that is. I saw a documentary that linked him to the assassination. |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:21 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Blame Bush. HW Bush that is. I saw a documentary that linked him to the assassination. I think you mean a crockumentary. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:26 pm ] |
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Mr. Reason wrote: Nas wrote: Blame Bush. HW Bush that is. I saw a documentary that linked him to the assassination. I think you mean a crockumentary.  That too. Sometimes the craziest theories end up being true. There is a lot of belief that the CIA was involved.
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:33 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: Nas wrote: Blame Bush. HW Bush that is. I saw a documentary that linked him to the assassination. I think you mean a crockumentary. That too. Sometimes the craziest theories end up being true. There is a lot of belief that the CIA was involved.I'm curious of Obama's whereabouts on 11/22/63. I have lots of unanswered questions. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:51 pm ] |
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Mr. Reason wrote: Nas wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: Nas wrote: Blame Bush. HW Bush that is. I saw a documentary that linked him to the assassination. I think you mean a crockumentary. That too. Sometimes the craziest theories end up being true. There is a lot of belief that the CIA was involved.I'm curious of Obama's whereabouts on 11/22/63. I have lots of unanswered questions. You know he was in Nairobi. |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:59 pm ] |
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Colonel Angus wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: Nas wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: I think you mean a crockumentary. That too. Sometimes the craziest theories end up being true. There is a lot of belief that the CIA was involved.I'm curious of Obama's whereabouts on 11/22/63. I have lots of unanswered questions. You know he was in Nairobi. Sure, that's what they want us to believe. |
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| Author: | StreetDoc67 [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:21 am ] |
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While I have multiple reasons as to why I believe Oswald acted alone, the clincher for me as to why I don't buy the conspiracy theories is that it is impossible for humans to keep their mouths shut. In order to have a conspiracy you have to have more than one person, and in the case of the JFK assassination you would need quite a few. If one thing has been made abundantly clear over history is that people cannot keep a secret, especially a good one. If there was some cabal put together to pull it off it would have come out long ago. That, and as it has been pointed out early in this thread, the shots weren't that hard to make. And yes, I fired a bolt action rifle before. 
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:39 am ] |
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We know the CIA had no involvement in planning and carrying out JFK's assassination because it actually worked. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:29 pm ] |
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Dudes, 3 shots in 7 seconds at a target moving at 11mph is damn hard to do... Just working the action and getting your scope on target is very hard... I would struggle with it and I'm a pretty damn fine marksman actually... plus, that Carcano wasn't exactly a nice gun. Kind of a piece of shit really. I don't deny that it's POSSIBLE, but your first shot is the most likely to be on target, not the third fatal shot, cause you're working the action, looking back thru the scope (finding target thru scope isn't terribly easy either really, especially at a moving target). Now granted the angle of declination wasn't that bad and the target was quartering away at 11mph, but still at that distance... tough. I had heard that Oswald never tested well as a marksman either. Not impossible I acknowledge. But it's a one in a million sequence of operation. |
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| Author: | newper [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:38 pm ] |
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hiram wrote: im already sick of this jfk coverage. get over it. would rather hear about 85 bears You know that's why Ditka wouldn't let Walter score the TD -- the CIA approached him and said they had a significant amount of money placed on the Perry scores a TD prop and if Ditka gave the ball to Walter, they'd assassinate Reagan. Ditka being a staunch republican considered this a very serious threat, and the CIA increased Ditka's concern by revealing a similar plot that they executed with Mike Fratello during late March of 81.... unfortunately, Fratello did not listen. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:05 pm ] |
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The magic bullet theory is plausible.
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| Author: | Elmhurst Steve [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:00 am ] |
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StreetDoc67 wrote: While I have multiple reasons as to why I believe Oswald acted alone, the clincher for me as to why I don't buy the conspiracy theories is that it is impossible for humans to keep their mouths shut. In order to have a conspiracy you have to have more than one person, and in the case of the JFK assassination you would need quite a few. If one thing has been made abundantly clear over history is that people cannot keep a secret, especially a good one. If there was some cabal put together to pull it off it would have come out long ago. That, and as it has been pointed out early in this thread, the shots weren't that hard to make. And yes, I fired a bolt action rifle before. Impossible for humans to keep their mouths shut....ever hear of the mafia? Lot's of wiseguys were quite good at it. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:06 am ] |
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Why did JFK want to die? He had a conversation with his wife about how easy it would be for some crazy person to kill him in Dallas and he didn't duck after multiple shots. I'm sure the military taught him better. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:59 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Why did JFK want to die? He had a conversation with his wife about how easy it would be for some crazy person to kill him in Dallas and he didn't duck after multiple shots. I'm sure the military taught him better. It was long range assisted suicide |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:09 pm ] |
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Also, RE: Humans cant keep a secret Several mafia figures have confessed and had stories about what happened. One of those could be true. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JFK assasination: A second Look |
Very interesting: http://wgnradio.com/2013/11/19/bill-kur ... ssination/ |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:04 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: I love his voice. That's an interesting theory. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:05 pm ] |
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I am not listening to that. Bullet point it for us if you wouldn't mind. |
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