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| Author: | RFDC [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:52 pm ] |
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Quote: This article from Dec. 6, 1993, by Robert Fisk of The Independent, titled, "Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace," is stunning to consider 20 years later. Osama bin Laden, fresh off the U.S.-backed mujahideen's victory over Russia in 1989, flew his men, materials and money down to Sudan, ostensibly to start public works projects. When asked if they were militant training camps, the "Saudi entrepreneur" and future leader of al Qaeda told Fisk: "I am a construction engineer and an agriculturalist. If I had training camps here in Sudan, I couldn't possibly do this job." The piece is fascinating because it is a positive profile of a man who would become a global terrorist mastermind. And here is a link to the original article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 65715.html |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:55 pm ] |
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Now you can wrap that fish-food fuck in that article. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:57 pm ] |
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In 1999 my wife edited a book that pretty much said what he intended to do. after the shit hit the fan, it was briefly a best-seller. http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchR ... on+America |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:00 pm ] |
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A terrorist to one man is a patriot to another. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:01 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: In 1999 my wife edited a book that pretty much said what he intended to do. after the shit hit the fan, it was briefly a best-seller. http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchR ... on+America Hey,you have a smart wife! Where do you fit in? 
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:02 pm ] |
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She can't be that smart, she married me.
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:04 pm ] |
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I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. 
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:04 pm ] |
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OSAMA Bin Laden sat in his gold- fringed robe, guarded by the loyal Arab mujahedin who fought alongside him in Afghanistan. Bearded, taciturn figures - unarmed, but never more than a few yards from the man who recruited them, trained them and then dispatched them to destroy the Soviet army - they watched unsmiling as the Sudanese villagers of Almatig lined up to thank the Saudi businessman who is about to complete the highway linking their homes to Khartoum for the first time in history. With his high cheekbones, narrow eyes and long brown robe, Mr Bin Laden looks every inch the mountain warrior of mujahedin legend. Chadored children danced in front of him, preachers acknowledged his wisdom. 'We have been waiting for this road through all the revolutions in Sudan,' a sheikh said. 'We waited until we had given up on everybody - and then Osama Bin Laden came along.' Outside Sudan, Mr Bin Laden is not regarded with quite such high esteem. The Egyptian press claims he brought hundreds of former Arab fighters back to Sudan from Afghanistan, while the Western embassy circuit in Khartoum has suggested that some of the 'Afghans' whom this Saudi entrepreneur flew to Sudan are now busy training for further jihad wars in Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt. Mr Bin Laden is well aware of this. 'The rubbish of the media and the embassies,' he calls it. 'I am a construction engineer and an agriculturalist. If I had training camps here in Sudan, I couldn't possibly do this job.' And 'this job' is certainly an ambitious one: a brand-new highway stretching all the way from Khartoum to Port Sudan, a distance of 1,200km (745 miles) on the old road, now shortened to 800km by the new Bin Laden route that will turn the coastal run from the capital into a mere day's journey. Into a country that is despised by Saudi Arabia for its support of Saddam Hussein in the Gulf war almost as much as it is condemned by the United States, Mr Bin Laden has brought the very construction equipment that he used only five years ago to build the guerrilla trails of Afghanistan. He is a shy man. Maintaining a home in Khartoum and only a small apartment in his home city of Jeddah, he is married - with four wives - but wary of the press. His interview with the Independent was the first he has ever given to a Western journalist, and he initially refused to talk about Afghanistan, sitting silently on a chair at the back of a makeshift tent, brushing his teeth in the Arab fashion with a stick of miswak wood. But talk he eventually did about a war which he helped to win for the Afghan mujahedin: 'What I lived in two years there, I could not have lived in a hundred years elsewhere,' he said. When the history of the Afghan resistance movement is written, Mr Bin Laden's own contribution to the mujahedin - and the indirect result of his training and assistance - may turn out to be a turning- point in the recent history of militant fundamentalism; even if, today, he tries to minimise his role. 'When the invasion of Afghanistan started, I was enraged and went there at once - I arrived within days, before the end of 1979,' he said. 'Yes, I fought there, but my fellow Muslims did much more than I. Many of them died and I am still alive.' Within months, however, Mr Bin Laden was sending Arab fighters - Egyptians, Algerians, Lebanese, Kuwaitis, Turks and Tunisians - into Afghanistan; 'not hundreds but thousands,' he said. He supported them with weapons and his own construction equipment. Along with his Iraqi engineer, Mohamed Saad - who is now building the Port Sudan road - Mr Bin Laden blasted massive tunnels into the Zazi mountains of Bakhtiar province for guerrilla hospitals and arms dumps, then cut a mujahedin trail across the country to within 15 miles of Kabul. 'No, I was never afraid of death. As Muslims, we believe that when we die, we go to heaven. Before a battle, God sends us seqina, tranquillity. 'Once I was only 30 metres from the Russians and they were trying to capture me. I was under bombardment but I was so peaceful in my heart that I fell asleep. This experience has been written about in our earliest books. I saw a 120mm mortar shell land in front of me, but it did not blow up. Four more bombs were dropped from a Russian plane on our headquarters but they did not explode. We beat the Soviet Union. The Russians fled.' But what of the Arab mujahedin whom he took to Afghanistan - members of a guerrilla army who were also encouraged and armed by the United States - and who were forgotten when that war was over? 'Personally neither I nor my brothers saw evidence of American help. When my mujahedin were victorious and the Russians were driven out, differences started (between the guerrilla movements) so I returned to road construction in Taif and Abha. I brought back the equipment I had used to build tunnels and roads for the mujahedin in Afghanistan. Yes, I helped some of my comrades to come here to Sudan after the war.' How many? Osama Bin Laden shakes his head. 'I don't want to say. But they are here now with me, they are working right here, building this road to Port Sudan.' I told him that Bosnian Muslim fighters in the Bosnian town of Travnik had mentioned his name to me. 'I feel the same about Bosnia,' he said. 'But the situation there does not provide the same opportunities as Afghanistan. A small number of mujahedin have gone to fight in Bosnia-Herzegovina but the Croats won't allow the mujahedin in through Croatia as the Pakistanis did with Afghanistan.' Thus did Mr Bin Laden reflect upon jihad while his former fellow combatants looked on. Was it not a little bit anti-climactic for them, I asked, to fight the Russians and end up road-building in Sudan? 'They like this work and so do I. This is a great plan which we are achieving for the people here, it helps the Muslims and improves their lives.' His Bin Laden company - not to be confused with the larger construction business run by his cousins - is paid in Sudanese currency which is then used to purchase sesame and other products for export; profits are clearly not Mr Bin Laden's top priority. How did he feel about Algeria, I asked? But a man in a green suit calling himself Mohamed Moussa - he claimed to be Nigerian although he was a Sudanese security officer - tapped me on the arm. 'You have asked more than enough questions,' he said. At which Mr Bin Laden went off to inspect his new road. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 20 years ago today... |
Hawg Ass wrote: I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. I was getting ready to finish up 6th grade. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:09 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. I was getting ready to finish up 6th grade,again. fixed |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:10 pm ] |
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| That was a good one, jimmy.
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| Author: | RFDC [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:10 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. I was getting ready to finish up 6th grade. I thought you were older than that. I was a senior in High School. |
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| Author: | Baby McNown [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:10 pm ] |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:12 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. I was getting ready to finish up 6th grade. Being older really sucks.  At least I know I am not as old as Pasta. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:13 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: Nas wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. I was getting ready to finish up 6th grade,again. fixed Be nice...
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:16 pm ] |
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RFDC wrote: Nas wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. I was getting ready to finish up 6th grade. I thought you were older than that. I was a senior in High School. I'm 31. I was the youngest around here for a while. I probably padded my age when I joined so my opinions wouldn't be dismissed because I was only 22/23. |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:17 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: RFDC wrote: Nas wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. I was getting ready to finish up 6th grade. I thought you were older than that. I was a senior in High School. I'm 31. I was the youngest around here for a while. I probably padded my age when I joined so my opinions wouldn't be dismissed because I was only 22/23. What's the excuse now? 
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:21 pm ] |
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| I've run out of excuses
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:22 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: RFDC wrote: Nas wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: I was in college and getting ready to come home for semester break and all of the parties. Getting old sucks. I was getting ready to finish up 6th grade. I thought you were older than that. I was a senior in High School. I'm 31. I was the youngest around here for a while. I probably padded my age when I joined so my opinions wouldn't be dismissed because I was only 22/23. Your opinions were in the form of a poll |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:23 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: I'm 31. I was the youngest around here for a while. I probably padded my age when I joined so my opinions wouldn't be dismissed because I was only 22/23. i told everyone i was justin beiber and showed them my middle finger. or my dick i cant tell the difference |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:36 pm ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Your opinions were in the form of a poll That was usually trolling. At some point I decided I wanted to stick around and tried to transition from trolling to giving my opinion. I believe I added 6 years to my age then. I was trying to be consistent to what I was doing in the outside world. It's hard to have credibility as a salesman when you have to tell someone you are 22 as opposed to 28. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:42 pm ] |
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Back in '89, I simply slid into place Buddy, buddy, buddy all up in your face |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:48 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: good dolphin wrote: Your opinions were in the form of a poll That was usually trolling. At some point I decided I wanted to stick around and tried to transition from trolling to giving my opinion. I believe I added 6 years to my age then. I was trying to be consistent to what I was doing in the outside world. It's hard to have credibility as a salesman when you have to tell someone you are 22 as opposed to 28. unless you show them your W-2's... |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:09 pm ] |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:40 pm ] |
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Osama Bin-Laden a rough and tumble "anti Soviet warrior?" Hahaha, oh brother.... |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:21 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: good dolphin wrote: Your opinions were in the form of a poll That was usually trolling. At some point I decided I wanted to stick around and tried to transition from trolling to giving my opinion. I believe I added 6 years to my age then. I was trying to be consistent to what I was doing in the outside world. It's hard to have credibility as a salesman when you have to tell someone you are 22 as opposed to 28. I can't tell the difference. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:22 pm ] |
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Colonel Angus wrote: Nas wrote: good dolphin wrote: Your opinions were in the form of a poll That was usually trolling. At some point I decided I wanted to stick around and tried to transition from trolling to giving my opinion. I believe I added 6 years to my age then. I was trying to be consistent to what I was doing in the outside world. It's hard to have credibility as a salesman when you have to tell someone you are 22 as opposed to 28. I can't tell the difference. All by design
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:41 pm ] |
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Hard to believe Frank Zappa's been dead 20 years now. |
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