Douchebag wrote:
Sounds like H-F is just bringing in the wang whippers.
wang whippers
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Player at H-F suing her school over transfers |
This has to make for an awkward practice situation. A member of the Homewood-Flossmoor girls basketball team is suing the school, claiming new coach Anthony Smith unfairly recruited players from other schools for star spots on the team. The player — a minor referred to only as Jane Doe — filed the suit through her parent Wednesday in Cook County Circuit Court against Homewood-Flossmoor Community High School District 233. The suit claims a newly hired girls varsity coach recruited six teens he previously coached at different schools to play at H-F. Four of the athletes previously played for Bolingbrook while one played for Plainfield East and another for Marist, the suit said. Smith said he was unaware of the lawsuit but denied its claims. “That is not true, that is definitely not true,” Smith said. “That’s something that I’m not thinking about or not worrying about because that’s just not true.” All six teens participated in practices with the returning members of the varsity team over the summer while the teens were still enrolled at other schools, according to the suit. Even though the students later claimed resident status in H-F’s boundaries, the suit claims the coach’s actions violate IHSA rules that prohibit recruiting or trying to recruit students, regardless of where the students live, the suit claims. The player claims the situation “undermines and destroys the close-knit community fabric” of residential parents, and places winning above adherence to IHSA rules. The suit goes on to claim the coach promised the transferring students’ parents “assistance in securing a college athlete scholarships” and “significant playing time as a regular starter of the Homewood-Flossmoor girls varsity basketball team; and the opportunity to compete in basketball tournaments outside the state of Illinois before audiences that would include prominent college coaches.” In September, the school district approved the transfer of all six students to attend H-F, which the suit calls a direct violation of IHSA rules. The suit seeks the removal of the coach, and asks the six newly recruited basketball players to be declared ineligible until the IHSA can investigate the alleged recruiting violations. Calls made to the school were not immediately returned Wednesday. |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:45 am ] |
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Just when I thought I couldn't care less about HS girls basketball... |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:01 pm ] |
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Sounds like she's right. She needs to take steroids to compete. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:02 pm ] |
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Sounds like H-F is just bringing in the wang whippers. |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:07 pm ] |
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Douchebag wrote: Sounds like H-F is just bringing in the wang whippers. wang whippers
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| Author: | billypootons [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:32 pm ] |
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are all 6 living in the same apartment or something? weird |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:03 pm ] |
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This cannot be true. Someone told me public high schools were at a disadvantage because they couldn't recruit. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:15 pm ] |
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6 sounds like a little much for a public HS. Thats alot of "friends of the program" for womens HS hoops. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:20 pm ] |
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good dolphin wrote: This cannot be true. Someone told me public high schools were at a disadvantage because they couldn't recruit. It was Otto Zeman. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:22 pm ] |
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What kind of public high school is recruiting girls basketball players? |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:26 pm ] |
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Douchebag wrote: What kind of public high school is recruiting girls basketball players? SHAKE THAT High. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:52 pm ] |
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And the school is forced to forfeit their entire season.. Homewood-Flossmoor coach, girls basketball team disqualified, lose all wins from season By Andy Grimm and Steve Mills, Tribune reporters Just hours before the top-ranked Homewood-Flossmoor girls basketball team was to take the floor to begin its playoff march, the state high school athletic association delivered a bombshell Wednesday, suspending the entire team and its highly regarded coach for rules violations. The sanctions by the Illinois High School Association come just weeks after a lawsuit rocked the highly touted program, accusing coach Anthony Smith of improperly recruiting star players from other school districts in his first season at H-F. That prompted the school district to conduct an internal investigation that led it to acknowledge it had violated rules, though none for improper recruiting. Marty Hickman, the IHSA's executive director, told the Tribune that the IHSA had reached an agreement with the school district Tuesday night to suspend Smith and 11 of the team's 17 players but still allow the others to play in the state tournament. But that deal broke down Wednesday, Hickman said, when the district decided to appeal, leading the IHSA to impose heavier sanctions, including that the 20-2 team had to forfeit all of its victories for the season. “Last night they agreed to send a letter indicating the coach and 11 players wouldn't play,” Hickman, who indicated that the investigation at the school was continuing, said Wednesday evening. “This morning they said they weren't doing that. So that was off the table.” A last-minute challenge in Cook County Circuit Court Wednesday by the parents of several players also failed. Disciplining a high school on the eve of the state playoffs is unusual but not unprecedented. East St. Louis High School was disqualified from the state football playoffs in 2010 following an IHSA investigation into player residency issues. The downstate school had to forfeit five of its eight wins from 2010 and all its 10 victories from the previous year. The IHSA made its ruling public just an hour before the scheduled 6 p.m. tip-off of H-F's game against Thornton Fractional North. The IHSA ordered that the game be forfeited, allowing T-F North to move on to the next round. The violations cited by the IHSA involved off-season workouts run by Smith as well as a summer league tournament involving the elite club team he coached, according to the IHSA. Letters from the district to the IHSA over the past week acknowledged the district had held conditioning workouts for years before Smith arrived at the school. The letters also said Smith signed in as a coach at a summer league tourney even though the district said he remained in the grandstands and did not coach. Smith's Illinois Dream Team, which plays in the U.S. Junior Nationals circuit, includes 11 players who are also on his varsity squad. Hickman said the school's investigation failed to find any wrongdoing, but he said the IHSA quickly found rules violations when its officials studied material provided by the school district. He described “red flags” in the material that the district failed to detect or appreciate. He said that school district officials began to inquire about the appeals process after they had agreed to the suspensions that would have still allowed the short-handed team to face Thornton Fractional Wednesday night. The district did so in a phone call Wednesday morning and then during a meeting with the IHSA board in Bloomington later in the day. he said. “Their position changed,” Hickman said. “Not ours.” Although the IHSA did not rule on the recruiting allegations raised in the lawsuit, Hickman said the violations it found gave H-F an advantage over other schools. “It's simply not fair to allow a school to participate when they've shown a disregard for our rules on several fronts,” he said. “Is it unfortunate for Homewood-Flossmoor? Yes. But that's on them. We have to take steps to protect the integrity of the competition. When you look at their preseason conditioning schedule, that's clearly prohibited.” “It's just not fair,” he added. Smith could not be reached for comment. School board member Jeanne McInerney said the punishment was unfair to the players, but she lamented that the decision to go to Bloomington to appeal for lesser sanctions backfired and ended the team's state tourney hopes. “I think the punishment far outstrips the crime,” she said. “I think that they went down on behalf of the girls and they made it worse.” Attorneys for six players, including senior point guard Amarah Coleman, a University of Illinois recruit, sought a temporary restraining order against the IHSA that would have allowed the team to compete in the playoffs. They argued that players and their parents were unaware eligibility had become an issue and they had been denied a fair hearing before the IHSA ordered sanctions. A judge, though, turned down the request, siding with the IHSA. “(The players) didn't do anything wrong, and they didn't have any representation (before the IHSA),” said Brunell Donald, an attorney for some of the students. “This was all through the alleged actions of someone else. This was another chance for them to shine and win a state championship.” H-F officials announced the sanctions at a meeting at the south suburban school. Parents and students were disappointed by the news. One player, Faith Suggs took the news particularly hard after transferring to H-F after playing her first two seasons at Plainfield East High School. Her father, former NFL player Shafer Suggs, said his daughter will learn from this experience. “I'm extremely sad for the girls, to see them all crying and dealing with unfortunate circumstances that they have no control over,” said Suggs, who was among the parents who went to court Wednesday. The controversy at H-F first garnered headlines when an unnamed player who lost her starting spot to one of six transfers filed a lawsuit last month that alleged that Smith improperly recruited the players to follow him from Bolingbrook High School, where he won four state titles over a dozen years. The lawsuit sought the suspensions of Smith and the six transfer students, including four from Bolingbrook. While based on circumstantial evidence, the lawsuit nonetheless raised concerns. Three of the transfers to H-F listed the same Flossmoor house as their address. IHSA rules require student-athletes to live with their custodial parent even after they turn 18 to be eligible to play sports. For two of the girls, the transfer to H-F was their fourth in four years of high school. Smith and the district had denied the recruiting allegations and pointed to the fact the IHSA had approved the transfers last summer. Gregory Mitchell, the attorney for the unnamed player who filed the lawsuit, suggested the IHSA failed to investigate the recruiting allegations. He said IHSA officials never contacted his client or the mother of a girl on the Bolingbrook team who had provided a sworn statement claiming she overheard a parent of one of the transfer students talking about residency issues before the season. “They didn't even ask us about the transfers,” he said. “I guess H-F is vindicated on the recruiting issue at this point.” Hickman said the investigation into H-F's basketball team was continuing and that the inquiry could involve other sports as well as the recruiting allegations. He acknowledged that proving recruiting charges can be difficult, but he pointed to a text message Smith sent to players about an “open gym” where they could come and play. Hickman said some of the students who received the text were not H-F students, suggesting Smith was violating rules about contact with students. Hickman called the text “a red flag.” |
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| Author: | donspiracy [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:02 pm ] |
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Damn. That is a slight over reaction. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:04 pm ] |
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School sports are complete bullshit. MY son played JR HS football this past season and was a starter so the following story didn't concern me. Due to the nature of our location etc the schools is mainly white. All of the sudden a kid and his brother show up in schools that happen to be black. After not even being in any training camp or pre season practices the kid starts the second game of the season. Parents freak and start asking questions. They also wonder why the coach is driving the kids home from practice and games? Anyway, emails start flying and all of the sudden the kids have back injuries the next few weeks and don't play/practice. More direct communications about the residency and the age of the kids go around. Magically, the kids moved/transferred all of the sudden and were gone. Never to be heard from again and no explanation. Sports is getting fucked up. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:08 am ] |
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What kind of parent would have their child transfer to follow a girls basketball coach? |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:21 am ] |
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Douchebag wrote: Sounds like H-F is just bringing in the wang whippers.
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:55 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: What kind of parent would have their child transfer to follow a girls basketball coach? You get more exposure on a team that is 20-2 than one that is 10-10. More exposure = better chance at a college scholarship. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:59 pm ] |
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youth sports is so fucked up. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:59 pm ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: What kind of parent would have their child transfer to follow a girls basketball coach? You get more exposure on a team that is 20-2 than one that is 10-10. More exposure = better chance at a college scholarship. I doubt that decision works out at a high percentage. And there's something to be said for stability. Id understand the thinking of going to a school with a great program, but to transfer a kid because a coach got a better job seems a bit much. Just seems like a "crazy sports parent" type of thing to do (albeit some select situations would make the transfer a prudent move) |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:00 pm ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: What kind of parent would have their child transfer to follow a girls basketball coach? You get more exposure on a team that is 20-2 than one that is 10-10. More exposure = better chance at a college scholarship. It's girls basketball. /thread |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:05 pm ] |
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Hey, if it gets you a scholarship it's worth it. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:05 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: What kind of parent would have their child transfer to follow a girls basketball coach? You get more exposure on a team that is 20-2 than one that is 10-10. More exposure = better chance at a college scholarship. I doubt that decision works out at a high percentage. And there's something to be said for stability. Id understand the thinking of going to a school with a great program, but to transfer a kid because a coach got a better job seems a bit much. Just seems like a "crazy sports parent" type of thing to do (albeit some select situations would make the transfer a prudent move) It's a little bit of both. There are many crazy parents. But the actual exposure comes in AAU tourneys. That is where the most concentrated level of high school hoops at the female and male level is played. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:13 pm ] |
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Seacrest wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: What kind of parent would have their child transfer to follow a girls basketball coach? You get more exposure on a team that is 20-2 than one that is 10-10. More exposure = better chance at a college scholarship. I doubt that decision works out at a high percentage. And there's something to be said for stability. Id understand the thinking of going to a school with a great program, but to transfer a kid because a coach got a better job seems a bit much. Just seems like a "crazy sports parent" type of thing to do (albeit some select situations would make the transfer a prudent move) It's a little bit of both. There are many crazy parents. But the actual exposure comes in AAU tourneys. That is where the most concentrated level of high school hoops at the female and male level is played. Seacrest is right. And well, for a coach they can bring in their players and win which in the end helps his AAU side. Are you telling me on the boys side Tyrone Slaughter doesn't use his HS team to get his AAU guys more playing time and vice versa? |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:16 pm ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: What kind of parent would have their child transfer to follow a girls basketball coach? You get more exposure on a team that is 20-2 than one that is 10-10. More exposure = better chance at a college scholarship. Thats not really true though. Tyler Ulis went to Marian Catholic who was not very good before he got there and is going to Kentucky. Summer ball matters more. Anthony Davis went Calumet Perspectives who was bad even when he played there. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:59 pm ] |
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I have a crazy parent relative. He's been putting his daughter into every travel soccer and softball for several years. He will put her in them for several more. I was doing the math on that. Figure 1,500 for each travel team so 3,000 per year (and that is a low estimate that doesn't take into account other leagues and costs). Do that from 8-18 approximately so that is minimally 30K up front (costs are probably double that mind you). If you hit it really big and get a full scholarship to a private school you are maybe saving 200K. That is best case scenario. The more likely scenario is a partial scholarship to a state school. The MOST likely scenario is no scholarship. Doesn't that seem like a bad investment unless you are one of the 20 or so girls each year across the country to hit those few jackpot scholarships? I wish someone brighter than me (anyone have Hawkings phone number) would do a cost/benefit analysis and bring down this generally deplorable travelling team industry that has swept the nation in the past decade |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:02 pm ] |
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Aren't you going to end up doing it at some point for baseball? We pay a lot for hockey. It's probably the only sport my son is good at, and he loves it. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:04 pm ] |
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what is it that turns parents into lemmings? oh, everyone else is doing it, I guess I have to too. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:11 pm ] |
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Luckily I am very unathletic and wife was only good at track and cross country. No traveling leagues for me, just boring track meets to sit thru. I can live with that. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:15 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: what is it that turns parents into lemmings? oh, everyone else is doing it, I guess I have to too. I don't know anybody that does that at club level play. I put my kids in some activities because their friends are doing it but it's mostly park district stuff. I think it's pretty normal for grade school age kids. I'd never put my son in a club soccer. His friends that belong to them are good or they do both. The problem, imo, is there isn't a middle option and/or your talent is thinned out because of the clubs. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:55 pm ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: Luckily I am very unathletic and wife was only good at track and cross country. No traveling leagues for me, just boring track meets to sit thru. I can live with that. Get your kids into competitive eating.
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