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Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:41 pm ]
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Why are you robbing people at a gas station? you get a lot of cash that way?


Whoops



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-at-least-2-wounded-in-separate-south-side-shootings-20140210,0,623345.story

Cops: Off-duty sergeant fatally shoots teen during robbery


An off-duty Cook County Sheriff's sergeant shot and killed a man who tried to rob him Monday night at a Far South Side gas station. (Posted on: February 11, 2014)

By Deanese Williams-Harris and Jeremy Gorner
Tribune reporters
8:59 a.m. CST, February 11, 2014

A gun pointed at his gut, the off-duty sheriff's sergeant digs through his pockets with his left hand, fumbling for money, as the three robbers surround him at the Far South Side gas station.

The sergeant is surer with his right hand, quickly drawing his own gun and firing point-blank. The gunman, 16, drops at his feet as the two others scatter, according to surveillance video that captured the robbery Monday night at a Citgo station at 103rd Street and Cottage Grove Avenue, across the street from Gately Stadium.

The sergeant swings around at the fleeing robbers, then points the gun down as the gunman struggles to get up. The video shows the sergeant kicking away the robber's gun and then opening the passenger door of his own car, apparently to get his phone.

The 16-year-old was shot in the head and died, according to police. The sergeant was not injured, and police said they were still looking for the two other robbers this morning.

The shooting occurred around 10 p.m. as the sergeant was filling his car at the Citgo station, police said.

The surveillance video shows a man, a gun in his right hand, running up to the sergeant and pointing the gun at him. The sergeant backs way, drops the nozzle and raises his hands, according to the video. Two other men run up and join the gunman, according to the video.

The sergeant appears to hand something over to the gunman, then continues digging through his pockets with his left hand, the video shows. Then the sergeant's right hand quickly swings around and the sergeant fires at the gunman, according to the video.

The Cook County medical examiner's office refused to release any information about the teen.
Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:45 pm ]
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That is ballsy. Wild West type shit... I would just let them rob me and cancel my credit cards. I dont carry cash anyway.
Author:  conns7901 [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:48 pm ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
That is ballsy. Wild West type shit... I would just let them rob me and cancel my credit cards. I dont carry cash anyway.


The kid had a gun drawn on him. I don't get robbing someone of their wallet nowadays. Not a lot of people cary much cash and Credit cards can be quickly cancelled.
Author:  Nas [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:49 pm ]
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He pointed a gun at him and got what he deserved.
Author:  IMU [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:50 pm ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
That is ballsy. Wild West type shit... I would just let them rob me and cancel my credit cards. I dont carry cash anyway.

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Author:  IMU [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:51 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
He pointed a gun at him and got what he deserved.

So the difference between this and Trayvon Martin is the gun? Or that the guy getting attacked was a cop? Or both?

Is one's life not in danger unless there is a firearm?
Author:  conns7901 [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:54 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Nas wrote:
He pointed a gun at him and got what he deserved.

So the difference between this and Trayvon Martin is the gun? Or that the guy getting attacked was a cop? Or both?

Is one's life not in danger unless there is a firearm?



George Zimmerman wasn't pumping gas with three guys walking up on him with a gun. Watch the the video attached to the story.
Author:  Nas [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:55 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Nas wrote:
He pointed a gun at him and got what he deserved.

So the difference between this and Trayvon Martin is the gun? Or that the guy getting attacked was a cop? Or both?

Is one's life not in danger unless there is a firearm?


Everything is different. The kid was committing a crime with a gun. The cop used necessary force to defend himself. This wasn't anywhere near similar to the Martin case.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:00 pm ]
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How long before mama is on tv saying that the cop shouldn't have shot her son or that he didn't have to do that ? 16 years old? 10pm? Honors math mourns his loss
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:01 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
This wasn't anywhere near similar to the Martin case.

Correct.
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:14 pm ]
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That video is tough to watch.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:15 pm ]
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Whats the best case scenario for the muggers there? 500 cash, maybe some jewelry and a cell phone. 1000$ tops?
Author:  SomeGuy [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:17 pm ]
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Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:18 pm ]
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IMU, id like to hear your view on how this relates at all to Zimmerman


I was chastised for comparing Zimmerman to the movie shooting and that one was way closer
Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:18 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.
If you put everyone on an island, these muggers would be kings. How is our society fair!?!?!?!
Author:  Bagels [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:20 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.


:lol: ok, that was pretty good
Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:24 pm ]
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Bagels wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.


:lol: ok, that was pretty good


No, it was actually pretty goddamn dumb.

Anyway, everyone who is applauding this is obviously strongly pro-concealed carry, right?
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:25 pm ]
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I think its not that so much as a lot of us are against dumbass muggers.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:26 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bagels wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.


:lol: ok, that was pretty good


No, it was actually pretty goddamn dumb.

Anyway, everyone who is applauding this is obviously strongly pro-concealed carry, right?

Right.

You think the cop was in the wrong here?
Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:27 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I think its not that so much as a lot of us are against dumbass muggers.



Right, but the only reason the victim was able to do what he did was because he was armed, no?
Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:28 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bagels wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.


:lol: ok, that was pretty good


No, it was actually pretty goddamn dumb.

Anyway, everyone who is applauding this is obviously strongly pro-concealed carry, right?

Right.

You think the cop was in the wrong here?


No, and I haven't come anywhere near to suggesting such a thing. But how can you cheer this and be anti-concealed carry at the same time?
Author:  Bagels [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:29 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bagels wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.


:lol: ok, that was pretty good


No, it was actually pretty goddamn dumb.

Anyway, everyone who is applauding this is obviously strongly pro-concealed carry, right?


chill out JORR, why so serious
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:30 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bagels wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.


:lol: ok, that was pretty good


No, it was actually pretty goddamn dumb.

Anyway, everyone who is applauding this is obviously strongly pro-concealed carry, right?

I am. I used to be on the fence but have recently shifted to in favor.


Enough of people's rights have been trampled.
Author:  Rod [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:32 pm ]
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Bagels wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bagels wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Hey, this cop probably started a savings account for his kid or helped with his kids college tuition....he deserved to get shot in the face.


:lol: ok, that was pretty good


No, it was actually pretty goddamn dumb.

Anyway, everyone who is applauding this is obviously strongly pro-concealed carry, right?


chill out JORR, why so serious


I'm chill as can be. I just think Some Guy is only funny about 20% of the time. I wish he would trim about 80% of his act.
Author:  Nas [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:32 pm ]
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I don't think anyone is cheering the death of a 16 year old kid. We just understand why the officer did it.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:32 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Anyway, everyone who is applauding this is obviously strongly pro-concealed carry, right?

Right.

You think the cop was in the wrong here?


No, and I haven't come anywhere near to suggesting such a thing. But how can you cheer this and be anti-concealed carry at the same time?

I haven't come anywhere near suggesting I am anti-concealed carry.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:33 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I think its not that so much as a lot of us are against dumbass muggers.



Right, but the only reason the victim was able to do what he did was because he was armed, no?

It's illegal to mug somebody. I highly doubt the mugger would have chosen not to use a gun if guns were illegal.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:34 pm ]
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hard to watch a guy dying, but he deserved it. there is no good reason to mug someone. i probably would have shot all of them, but thats why im not a cop. you can tell that sargent was trained, because he shot one defensive round and did NOT shoot at the fleeing suspects. if you tried shooting the runners, you might miss and hit a civilian... but honestly i doubt i would think about that in the moment my life was threatened. and i also probably would have emptied the clip in the guy when i noticed there was still hot air coming out of his mouth.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:35 pm ]
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IkeSouth wrote:
hard to watch a guy dying, but he deserved it. there is no good reason to mug someone. i probably would have shot all of them, but thats why im not a cop. you can tell that sargent was trained, because he shot one defensive round and did NOT shoot at the fleeing suspects. if you tried shooting the runners, you might miss and hit a civilian... but honestly i doubt i would think about that in the moment my life was threatened. and i also probably would have emptied the clip in the guy when i noticed there was still hot air coming out of his mouth.

Maybe being a gas station played a role. A stray bullet could do a lot of damage there
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:35 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Right, but the only reason the victim was able to do what he did was because he was armed, no?
Its the only reason the kid got shot in the head, but its not the only way this could have went down. Maybe the kid decides to rob a black belt or a marine or ends up getting stabbed.
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