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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Bad Signing Metric |
Time for a collaborative effort. The sports world needs a bad signing metric. Something the computes salary, term, production, draft slot. etc. 1-10 = based on relative salary.....10 being top 10% of salaries in that sport ..... |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
bigfan wrote: term I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ? |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Phil McCracken wrote: You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing. He eats innings McCracken, he eats innings. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Phil McCracken wrote: You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing. On the pitching side. Adam Dunn can be the reference for batters. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Phil McCracken wrote: You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing. I agree, but the contract, while bad, is even worse considering the situation the team is in. Thus a 1-10 rating on the teams chances of making the playoffs. I would put a 10 metric on this one for E Jax. Also, in the case of Jax, ability to trade him, going to say 7 out of 10, and not because of his talent, or lackthereof, but the fact that he has been on 7 teams? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Chus wrote: Phil McCracken wrote: You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing. On the pitching side. Adam Dunn can be the reference for batters. I would be a 9 out of 10 on salary, as while it is high the salary isnt untradeable and also, you know someone will take him this year in August... |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Douchebag wrote: mental instability going to be a tough metric to assign, except in this case! |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
are you saying this 'metric' is something that would be predictive ? or this is just after the fact, basically just ranking bad signings of the past |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Bagels wrote: are you saying this 'metric' is something that would be predictive ? or this is just after the fact, basically just ranking bad signings of the past correct, maybe 10 areas of consideration all on 1-10 scales, thus out of 100...so a 100/100 would be the worst signing ever. Physical capability, would be a grade, thus injuries would be a 1 of 10, if the injury was a true long term playing injury that had nothing to do with pre existing stuff. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Bagels wrote: bigfan wrote: term I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ? A-Rod's first 10 yr deal was worth it. Scottie Pippen had a 7 yr deal that worked. The one that Jerry "Satan" Reinsdorf told him not to sign. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Chus wrote: Bagels wrote: bigfan wrote: term I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ? A-Rod's first 10 yr deal was worth it. Scottie Pippen had a 7 yr deal that worked. The one that Jerry "Satan" Reinsdorf told him not to sign. It worked for Jerry.  ......but he tried so hard to stop him from signing....the 7 year deal....and remember Chus, it had to be a 7 year deal! lol
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| Author: | Chus [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
bigfan wrote: Chus wrote: Phil McCracken wrote: You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing. On the pitching side. Adam Dunn can be the reference for batters. I would be a 9 out of 10 on salary, as while it is high the salary isnt untradeable and also, you know someone will take him this year in August... Maybe, since a team will only be on the hook for roughly two months. If only the Sox could find somebody to take Ramirez and his remaining $20M. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
bigfan wrote: Chus wrote: Bagels wrote: bigfan wrote: term I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ? A-Rod's first 10 yr deal was worth it. Scottie Pippen had a 7 yr deal that worked. The one that Jerry "Satan" Reinsdorf told him not to sign. It worked for Jerry. ......but he tried so hard to stop him from signing....the 7 year deal....and remember Chus, it had to be a 7 year deal! lolI don't remember the details of how that thing shook out. I was a yout. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Dawson for the Cubs would be a 0 Mike Trout at $1mil this year is a 0 or a 1 |
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| Author: | 312player [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Good idea bigfan, i like it! How would ya rate Cutler deal anthony rizzo deal homer bailey deal. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Michael Jordan = 1 Rashard Lewis = 10 |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Starlin Castro = 100 |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Bagels wrote: bigfan wrote: term I know hockey has these crazy ass 15 year contracts but as far as real sports go, has there every been a long term contract, like say over 7 years- that has ever worked out ? Magic Johnson's contract was probably a solid investment. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
We're not allowed to have the dummy-year contracts in the NHL anymore. The Hawks basically have to forbid Marian Hossa from retiring during his contract lest they get hit with a bullshit ex post facto circumvention penalty. So we'll see how that works out. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Yeah but his before the rule is there any relief about that? |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Nope, any contract with dummy years is subject to cap penalties. It's an especially retarded rule because it punishes you more the closer the player gets to playing out his contract: the salary-hit difference is distributed over the unplayed years, so if you get to one year left, you take that entire hit in one season rather than, say, three or four. It's completely idiotic. |
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Hawg Ass wrote: Phil McCracken wrote: You can calibrate it using Edwin Jackson as the perfect score for a terrible signing. He eats innings McCracken, he eats innings. His value per fangraphs was $10.2m and his contract was $11m. Not really that terrible. Not special, or anything to write home about. But he isn't as bad as you make it seem. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Is it possible fangraphs is wrong? Or is it absolute? |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
FavreFan wrote: Is it possible fangraphs is wrong? Or is it absolute? AB-SO-LUTE! AB-SO-LUTE! AB-SO-oh, nevermind. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
FavreFan wrote: Is it possible fangraphs is wrong? Or is it absolute? Depends on who you ask.What was Edwin's TWTW factor? |
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| Author: | 312player [ Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Fangraphs was clearly wrong, so was Epstein . what is the average salary for 5th starter? 5Million . If fangraphs had Jackson @12 per ...than they had to have Garza @ 17 per. |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
Frank Coztansa wrote: FavreFan wrote: Is it possible fangraphs is wrong? Or is it absolute? Depends on who you ask.What was Edwin's TWTW factor? His factor of making me want to stop watching Cubs games that he was pitching was pretty high |
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| Author: | 312player [ Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bad Signing Metric |
312player wrote: Good idea bigfan, i like it! How would ya rate Cutler deal anthony rizzo deal homer bailey deal. ok so bigfan won't bite. my opinion is Cutler -7 Bailey -6.5 Rizzo- 6.5 |
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