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Author:  Chus [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  People should just try harder

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/how ... ome-n44496

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Author:  Rod [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:14 pm ]
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Poor people are stupid!

Author:  Bucky Chris [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:17 pm ]
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Chus wrote:
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/how-high-sat-scores-are-linked-family-income-n44496

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What's your honest take-away from this chart?

Author:  lipidquadcab [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:17 pm ]
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SAT scores go up to 2400 now?

Weak...

Author:  Chus [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:22 pm ]
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Bucky Chris wrote:
Chus wrote:
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/how-high-sat-scores-are-linked-family-income-n44496

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What's your honest take-away from this chart?


Children from wealthier families get better educations.

Those who look down on others who haven't had the same opportunities, and just dismiss them as "not trying hard enough", should reconsider their positions.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:23 pm ]
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What did Derrick Morris pull down?

Cause his kid got a 1502

Author:  Bucky Chris [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:28 pm ]
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Chus wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
Chus wrote:
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/how-high-sat-scores-are-linked-family-income-n44496

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What's your honest take-away from this chart?


Children from wealthier families get better educations.

Those who look down on others who haven't had the same opportunities, and just dismiss them as "not trying hard enough", should reconsider their positions.


I think people with money are typically in better school districts with better education. But I don't think that doesn't mean people with less money and in a worse school shouldn't try harder to overcome their disadvantage.

Author:  Nas [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:33 pm ]
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I don't believe there is any evidence you can show some people that will make them believe a person born in a upper middle class or rich family has more educational opportunities than someone born poor or in the lower middle class. Some kids are able to overcome the obstacles of their environment because they are brilliant or someone helped them out. If someone that's poor and rich work their asses off the rich person will likely test better.

Author:  Scorehead [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:36 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
I don't believe there is any evidence you can show some people that will make them believe a person born in a upper middle class or rich family has more educational opportunities than someone born poor or in the lower middle class. Some kids are able to overcome the obstacles of their environment because they are brilliant or someone helped them out. If someone that's poor and rich work their asses off the rich person will likely test better.


This is absolutely true. Who would argue against this?

Author:  Nas [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:43 pm ]
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Scorehead wrote:
Nas wrote:
I don't believe there is any evidence you can show some people that will make them believe a person born in a upper middle class or rich family has more educational opportunities than someone born poor or in the lower middle class. Some kids are able to overcome the obstacles of their environment because they are brilliant or someone helped them out. If someone that's poor and rich work their asses off the rich person will likely test better.


This is absolutely true. Who would argue against this?


We've had this debate before.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:46 pm ]
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Bucky Chris wrote:
But I don't think that doesn't mean people with less money and in a worse school shouldn't try harder to overcome their disadvantage.

You're so negative, Chris

Author:  Scorehead [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:49 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
Nas wrote:
I don't believe there is any evidence you can show some people that will make them believe a person born in a upper middle class or rich family has more educational opportunities than someone born poor or in the lower middle class. Some kids are able to overcome the obstacles of their environment because they are brilliant or someone helped them out. If someone that's poor and rich work their asses off the rich person will likely test better.


This is absolutely true. Who would argue against this?


We've had this debate before.


Rich kids are in a better position to succeed than poor kids. Everyone knows this. Cant argue against it. It isn't debatable.

In other news, the sky is blue & Brian Bickell sucks.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:49 pm ]
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Scorehead wrote:
Nas wrote:
I don't believe there is any evidence you can show some people that will make them believe a person born in a upper middle class or rich family has more educational opportunities than someone born poor or in the lower middle class. Some kids are able to overcome the obstacles of their environment because they are brilliant or someone helped them out. If someone that's poor and rich work their asses off the rich person will likely test better.


This is absolutely true. Who would argue against this?


So you agree that the accumulation of wealth is absolutely not performed on a level playing field in our country and that there is little correlation between wealth and hard work/intelligence, correct?

Author:  Rod [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:49 pm ]
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Bucky Chris wrote:
I think people with money are typically in better school districts with better education. But I don't think that doesn't mean people with less money and in a worse school shouldn't try harder to overcome their disadvantage.


But if they can't, it doesn't mean they should be looked down upon, does it?

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:50 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
What did Derrick Morris pull down?

Cause his kid got a 1502
Probably like $75K a year, which for a computer salesman in the late 80s/early 90s was pretty damn good.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:50 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
I think people with money are typically in better school districts with better education. But I don't think that doesn't mean people with less money and in a worse school shouldn't try harder to overcome their disadvantage.


But if they can't, it doesn't mean they should be looked down upon, does it?

And should the rich kid slacker be revered for taking over Dad's firm after barely graduating college?

Author:  Rod [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:51 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
I think people with money are typically in better school districts with better education. But I don't think that doesn't mean people with less money and in a worse school shouldn't try harder to overcome their disadvantage.


But if they can't, it doesn't mean they should be looked down upon, does it?

And should the rich kid slacker be revered for taking over Dad's firm after barely graduating college?



Of course. There is nothing more American than generational wealth!

Author:  Scorehead [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:52 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
Nas wrote:
I don't believe there is any evidence you can show some people that will make them believe a person born in a upper middle class or rich family has more educational opportunities than someone born poor or in the lower middle class. Some kids are able to overcome the obstacles of their environment because they are brilliant or someone helped them out. If someone that's poor and rich work their asses off the rich person will likely test better.


This is absolutely true. Who would argue against this?


So you agree that the accumulation of wealth is absolutely not performed on a level playing field in our country and that there is little correlation between wealth and hard work/intelligence, correct?


Incorrect. Their are children of rich people who turn out to be lazy turds, & their are children of poor people who turn out to be productive contributors to society.

Do rich people have an advantage? Uh...yea.

It would just be minutiae to have this debate again though so I'm out.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:54 pm ]
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Wrong Section. This is going to devolve into a political thread real quick.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:56 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
So you agree that the accumulation of wealth is absolutely not performed on a level playing field


scorehead wrote:
Incorrect.


scorehead wrote:
Do rich people have an advantage? Uh...yea.


I have nothing to add.

Author:  Nas [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:57 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Wrong Section. This is going to devolve into a political thread real quick.


It was a political thread to begin with. This was the original political section. Remember politics didn't matter on this board until late 2007.

Author:  Bucky Chris [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:58 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
I think people with money are typically in better school districts with better education. But I don't think that doesn't mean people with less money and in a worse school shouldn't try harder to overcome their disadvantage.


But if they can't, it doesn't mean they should be looked down upon, does it?


Nope, and I didn't intend to imply it did.

Author:  Bucky Chris [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:59 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
I think people with money are typically in better school districts with better education. But I don't think that doesn't mean people with less money and in a worse school shouldn't try harder to overcome their disadvantage.


But if they can't, it doesn't mean they should be looked down upon, does it?

And should the rich kid slacker be revered for taking over Dad's firm after barely graduating college?


How does being revered manifest itself? Who's doing the revering? What does it even matter?

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:00 pm ]
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In other news,

people who run fast win Olympic medals in track (darn no handicap for us slow guys)
people who are tall are more likely to play professional basketball
people with good hand eye coordination are more likely to play professional baseball
people with good looks get hot spouses
people who are funny are more likely to be on the Comedy Channel


People who use their God given talents are more likely to make more money than those that don't. Wow.

Author:  Hawg Ass [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:00 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Wrong Section. This is going to devolve into a political thread real quick.


It was a political thread to begin with. This was the original political section. Remember politics didn't matter on this board until late 2007.

The Glory Days!!!

Author:  Hawg Ass [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:01 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
In other news,

people who run fast win Olympic medals in track (darn no handicap for us slow guys)
people who are tall are more likely to play professional basketball
people with good hand eye coordination are more likely to play professional baseball
people with good looks get hot spouses
people who are funny are more likely to be on the Comedy Channel


People who use their God given talents are more likely to make more money than those that don't. Wow.

denidman, you are pretty smart. You probably scored high on your SAT's or ACT's.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:02 pm ]
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Bucky Chris wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
I think people with money are typically in better school districts with better education. But I don't think that doesn't mean people with less money and in a worse school shouldn't try harder to overcome their disadvantage.


But if they can't, it doesn't mean they should be looked down upon, does it?

And should the rich kid slacker be revered for taking over Dad's firm after barely graduating college?


How does being revered manifest itself? Who's doing the revering? What does it even matter?

I guess it matters as much as looking down on people does

I would say it manifests itself in politics with idiot lucky sperm club members turned Public official telling their poor constituents to just work harder or with some of these people being held up as an example of hard work.

But its just perception, so it doesnt matter for the most part imo. Just annoying.

Author:  Chus [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:03 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
In other news,

people who run fast win Olympic medals in track (darn no handicap for us slow guys)
people who are tall are more likely to play professional basketball
people with good hand eye coordination are more likely to play professional baseball
people with good looks get hot spouses
people who are funny are more likely to be on the Comedy Channel


People who use their God given talents are more likely to make more money than those that don't. Wow.


What does being born into money have to do with "God given talents"?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:04 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
In other news,

people who run fast win Olympic medals in track (darn no handicap for us slow guys)
people who are tall are more likely to play professional basketball
people with good hand eye coordination are more likely to play professional baseball
people with good looks get hot spouses
people who are funny are more likely to be on the Comedy Channel


People who use their God given talents are more likely to make more money than those that don't. Wow.


Wouldn't it be sad if any of those world class talents never developed simply because their parents didn't have the resources to nourish their ability?

I know how it feels because my parents were poor and it was hard to advertise my devastatingly good looks.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:05 pm ]
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Chus wrote:
denisdman wrote:
In other news,

people who run fast win Olympic medals in track (darn no handicap for us slow guys)
people who are tall are more likely to play professional basketball
people with good hand eye coordination are more likely to play professional baseball
people with good looks get hot spouses
people who are funny are more likely to be on the Comedy Channel


People who use their God given talents are more likely to make more money than those that don't. Wow.


What does being born into money have to do with "God given talents"?

And on the 8th day, God created nepotism



Although I guess God would be the ultimate nepotism abuser

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