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What's the population density of certain areas?

Total population changes over the years?

"Creative" accounting of crimes?

It's down nearly 60%. We haven't lost 60% of our population and if you believe that they are fudging the numbers now then I really can't see how you don't believe they fudged the numbers then. The same communities that were awful then are awful now.

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Where are the murders concentrated?

Are those areas down in population? If so, how much?

there was a Chicago magazine two-parter in the past year, talking about how all the crime is now misreported or unreported.

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Many of the housing projects are gone so crime is down in those areas. Since they gave them Section 8 vouchers to live in other communities those communities have seen an uptick in murders. Roseland and Englewood are still going strong despite a decline in population over the past 7 years.

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I don't think it's unreported like many of you. Every story I hear makes the news. The media is pushing this like never before so you can fear every black male you see. I remember how bad it could be in some areas as a kid. I was afraid to go on the other side of a viaduct in my area at night because all the crime seemed to happen on that side. Over the past 20 years it's still virtually the same but people are not getting shot as much.

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There are more shootings now, they just file em as agg battery .... the Emergency Response is incredible now, way more victims are surviving ...I remember that case with Sandifer...that was national news in high school...now , shit ...everywhere had 12-13 year olds killing people in every metropolis n state.

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Poor Benji.

Improvements in 911 response and ERs has helped a ton.

The population is down.

There are also a lot less cops so less crime gets reported.

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How much is population down? That doesn't sound exactly like a factor. The first time I researched was after watching Benji and saw the murder rates. I do believe less may get reported and the response is up.

There have been numerous stories about the long term decline in violent crime across the country. NY has been the biggest example. Of course it doesn't seem to jive with the sensational media coverage of Chicago murders, but it is a fact that crime is down a lot.

The biggest theory for the decline is the fact that teenagers and young adults are spending a lot more time indoors with Internet related activities like gaming and surfing instead of spending time running around neighborhoods. It falls in line with the more sedentary nature of society as a whole.

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Murders are down 55% since 1994 and they're currently at levels we haven't seen since the 1960s. Sure advances in medicine is the reason for some of the decline but it doesn't explain a 55% drop. If you watch or read the local news they make it sound as if murders are at an all time high. They're reporting every murder and just about every shooting. There is a lot of misinformation put out to scare people.

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So there's your answer?

I can't give you 1 reason why we've seen a decline. I know a slight decrease in our population from people that have the means running to the suburbs and other areas doesn't explain why there is a 55% decline

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You just gave several reasons in the your last post that I quoted.

Reporting a shooting that happened is misinformation? Would it be more honest not to acknowledge when someone is shot?

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Those things didn't explain the 55% decline. With the Section 8 vouchers those people just went to other parts of the city and continued killing until they got killed or put in jail. Other areas have seen an increase because the projects are gone.

Regardless of why we've seen a 55% drop in murders that isn't the story that's being reported. In the 90's they didn't have every murder or shooting in the paper or on the news but today they are reporting everything. It makes people feel like things are as bad as ever. It's not though.

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Their reporting of every murder and nearly every shooting leads people to believe that crime is at an all time high. That more police and other extreme measures are needed to bring down murders and violent crime. This wasn't done a decade ago or 2 decades ago. They also aren't reporting that murders and other violent crimes are at their lowest levels since the 1960s.

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So, what you are saying is that they should either not report crimes and/or put a rosy spin on the city's crime. Crime in Chicago is "good" and "nothing to be worried about". Chicago is a "safe" city with "low violent crime".

Edit: You could argue all the negative publicity is what is driving murders down. People keep their heads down, stay inside, and avoid areas is what is keeping people from getting shot.

Well, I tried to explain it Nas. Also, the get tough approach to policing that took place over the past few decades has also been a factor. They are locking up anybody and everybody, much of it from drug crimes. Things like longer sentences, three strikes and you're out, mandatory minimums have kept criminals off the streets.

These are the theories to explain the decline.

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I just want them to stop trying to make you afraid of me and my son. There is nothing wrong with reporting the entire story.

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Got it.

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Why would I be afraid of you and your son? How many people have you killed this year?

A lot of people fear black males (even blacks) based on how we are portrayed in the media.

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What has happened to the crime rates in the collar counties?

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And you think that if people knew that murders in Chicago are down since 1960, that people will feel better about black people?

They goin' up, up up!

Actually the question should be what happened to crim rates in the areas where the populations were, *ahem*, dispersed to.

It would probably change the perception people have. I doubt anyone is afraid of me when they see me but others aren't so lucky.

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