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Author:  Tall Midget [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:54 pm ]
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http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/mid/1508/articleId/1365/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/Default.aspx

Harris Newsroom wrote:
As American as Mom, Apple Pie and Football?
Football continues to trump baseball as America's Favorite Sport

NEW YORK , N.Y. - January 16, 2014 - In September and October, it's an argument that happens year after year in sports bars nationwide. But, it might be that it's one that comes to an easy conclusion, as football continues to dominate over baseball as America's Favorite Sport. Over one-third (35%) of adults who follow at least one sport say professional football is their favorite sport, while just 14% say baseball is their favorite.

The gap between the two sports has grown from last year, when 34% said pro football was their favorite while 16% said baseball was their favorite sport. This is the second largest gap between the two sports in the almost 30 years this survey has been conducted. The highest gap was in 2011, when it was 23 points as 36% said professional football was their favorite sport and 13% said baseball was their favorite.

These are some of the results of The Harris PollĀ® of 2,311 adults surveyed online between December 11 and 17, 2013 by Harris Interactive.

Looking at how other sports fared, just over one in ten sports fans (11%) say college football is their favorite sport, while 7% say it is auto racing, 6% say men's professional basketball, 5% say hockey and 3% say it is men's college basketball. All other sports are favorites for 2% or less of sports fans.

There are some fluctuations in favorites over time. Since this question was first asked in 1985, professional football has gone up 11 points, from 24% of sports fans saying it was their favorite sport then to 35% saying so now. Baseball, on the other hand, has gone down 9 points, from 23% in 1985 to 14% today. Hockey has gone up 3 points while men's tennis, men's college basketball and horse racing have all gone down 3 points.

Some people favor a sport more than others

When it comes to the top sports, different groups are more likely to cite them as favorites. Those who live in rural areas (44%), people with a child under 18 (42%), and Easterners (39%) are more likely to say professional football is their favorite sport, while those with a post graduate degree (24%), Echo Boomers (31%), and Liberals (31%) are less likely to do so. When it comes to baseball, Hispanics (19%), those with a household income of $100,000 or more (18%), and suburbanites (18%) are more likely to cite it as their favorite sport; African Americans (7%), those who live in rural areas (8%) and Echo Boomers (10%) are least likely to say baseball is their favorite.

Looking at college football, those in the South (17%), those with a post graduate degree (17%) and college graduates (16%) are more likely to say this is their favorite, while Easterners (4%), Hispanics (7%) and Democrats (8%) are least likely to say college football is their favorite sport. When it comes to auto racing, it is more likely to be the favorite for those living in rural areas (12%), those in households with an income under $35,000 (12%), and those with a high school or less education (11%); auto racing is less likely to be the favorite for African Americans (1%), Hispanics (2%) and both post graduates and college graduates (3% each).

Author:  leashyourkids [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:56 pm ]
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Oh fuck....

50 pages.

Author:  redskingreg [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:02 pm ]
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Not sure what this has to do with JORR. Football is merely a TV show to him.

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:04 pm ]
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I think the NFL knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the marble of the senate, it's the grass of the football field. The NFL will bring them death - and they will love them for it.

Author:  Regular Reader [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:06 pm ]
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I'd prefer to look at this (contrived) way: According to the survey I am likeliest to be a Hispanic suburbanite who denies my black roots.

I don't even want to know what an "echo boomer" is.

Author:  redskingreg [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:08 pm ]
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Regular Reader wrote:
I'd prefer to look at this (contrived) way: According to the survey I am likeliest to be a Hispanic suburbanite who denies my black roots.

I don't even want to know what an "echo boomer" is.


Back back back back back back back back back back (back back back back back) gone!

Author:  Hockey Gay [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:15 pm ]
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The way people live now isn't suited for baseball. American society is constantly on the go now, everyone is so intense. The laid back nature of the game just doesn't relate with our society like it use to. It seems back in the old days, people were more chill and easy going as a whole in this country.

We relate with football more now. It's intense and we just want to watch heads get bashed in. It's a few days a week we get to watch it and on Sunday it's a perfect way to finish the week. Every Sunday feels like an event now. Baseball has a 162 of these things and when you have so many things to distract yourself with nowadays it's easy to completely forget about it sometimes.

I still like baseball, but not like I use to. I use to be able to tell you the batting order of every MLB team. But now, outside of the Cubs, I have no idea who the hell is who anymore. I just don't care.

Author:  Spaulding [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:44 pm ]
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Kids can't play it as easily, and travel teams have hurt this sport imo.

Is this the fan of TV debate?

Author:  Rod [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:15 pm ]
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The VAST majority of people who say football is their favorite sport actually mean watching football on TV is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.

Author:  redskingreg [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:16 pm ]
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For the record, JORR, I prefer baseball to football.

Author:  Brick [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:20 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The VAST majority of people who say football is their favorite sport actually mean watching football on TV is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.
The VAST majority of people who say baseball is their favorite sport actually mean watching baseball in person is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.

Do you realize how insane that sounds?

Author:  Regular Reader [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:21 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The VAST majority of people who say football is their favorite sport actually mean watching football on TV is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.


I don't know. As the more recent generations were raised on flag & two hand touch football, I really wonder if they do.

:wink:

Author:  Rod [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:34 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The VAST majority of people who say football is their favorite sport actually mean watching football on TV is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.
The VAST majority of people who say baseball is their favorite sport actually mean watching baseball in person is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.

Do you realize how insane that sounds?


You're missing the point. Baseball is much more personal. People watch a TV show and it's over. No real emotional connection.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:38 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The VAST majority of people who say football is their favorite sport actually mean watching football on TV is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.
The VAST majority of people who say baseball is their favorite sport actually mean watching baseball in person is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.

Do you realize how insane that sounds?


You're missing the point. Baseball is much more personal. People watch a TV show and it's over. No real emotional connection.


Even if we agreed that was true, I don't really understand what it has to do with the popularity argument.

A more factual statement would be "Football is clearly the most popular sport in America, and fans of different sports consume their sports in different ways."

Author:  Brick [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:40 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You're missing the point. Baseball is much more personal. People watch a TV show and it's over. No real emotional connection.
My facebook feed, and this board the past two days would disagree with you.

What exactly are baseball fans doing after the game is over?

Author:  Douchebag [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:42 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
What exactly are baseball fans doing after the game is over?

Probably watching two football games.

Author:  Tall Midget [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:51 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The VAST majority of people who say football is their favorite sport actually mean watching football on TV is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.
The VAST majority of people who say baseball is their favorite sport actually mean watching baseball in person is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.

Do you realize how insane that sounds?


You're missing the point. Baseball is much more personal. People watch a TV show and it's over. No real emotional connection.


You don't know anybody who watches football, do you?

Possibly the most ignorant statement ever uttered on this board.

Author:  Chus [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:28 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You're missing the point. Baseball is much more personal. People watch a TV show and it's over. No real emotional connection.
My facebook feed, and this board the past two days would disagree with you.

What exactly are baseball fans doing after the game is over?


Getting tanked at the Cubby Bear.

Author:  Rod [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:30 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The VAST majority of people who say football is their favorite sport actually mean watching football on TV is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.
The VAST majority of people who say baseball is their favorite sport actually mean watching baseball in person is their favorite pastime. I realize some of you don't think there's any difference.

Do you realize how insane that sounds?


You're missing the point. Baseball is much more personal. People watch a TV show and it's over. No real emotional connection.


You don't know anybody who watches football, do you?

Possibly the most ignorant statement ever uttered on this board.


Let's think about that statement for a minute. If true, how popular could football really be? But in fact, I know lots of people who "watch" football. Most have aboutt the same amount of emotional investment as they have in which socks they put on. But they get pumped when their fantasy running back scores. If that's popularity, you win.

Author:  Scooter [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:37 pm ]
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But people do get emotionally attached to TV shows. Ask any woman who has watched a soap opera for many years. You might be surprised.

Author:  redskingreg [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:45 pm ]
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Scooter wrote:
But people do get emotionally attached to TV shows. Ask any woman who has watched a soap opera for many years. You might be surprised.


Or ask me how I felt after Breaking Bad's "Ozymandias" episode.

Author:  Brick [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:55 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Let's think about that statement for a minute. If true, how popular could football really be? But in fact, I know lots of people who "watch" football. Most have aboutt the same amount of emotional investment as they have in which socks they put on. But they get pumped when their fantasy running back scores. If that's popularity, you win.
What does that even mean?

Slightly more people watched that Bears/49ers game than watched Game 6 and every other World Series game from last year. So, who has a stronger attachment to the sport?

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:07 pm ]
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Strange that JORR only hangs with Bernstein types. I've never heard someone say all their friends who watch football are never emotionally invested.

Author:  Rod [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:37 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Strange that JORR only hangs with Bernstein types. I've never heard someone say all their friends who watch football are never emotionally invested.


Obviously not to the degree that they are invested in baseball. Just look at this board. There are countless threads with guys getting seriously angry about guys who have never played a major league game. There's no passion like that for football. Maybe in Texas, but I don't live there. My fantasy team is great though.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:13 pm ]
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Why is it so important to you that baseball is considered more important or popular than football? It's just strange and comes off as insecure. You don't really see the soccer, basketball, or hockey guys caring that much how mainstream their sport is.

Author:  Brick [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:21 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Strange that JORR only hangs with Bernstein types. I've never heard someone say all their friends who watch football are never emotionally invested.


Obviously not to the degree that they are invested in baseball. Just look at this board. There are countless threads with guys getting seriously angry about guys who have never played a major league game. There's no passion like that for football. Maybe in Texas, but I don't live there. My fantasy team is great though.
This is either delusional or completely made up. We spent time talking about how David Fales was cut and released. The NFL draft is huge both here and in this country. Training camp becomes story #1 on here as soon as it starts.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:31 am ]
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Joe Orr I'm a baseball guy just like yourself. I think most people here know that. But Rick is correct. To say there is no passion or no emotional investment in football is just not true.

Hell I've been to Sox games as recently as last year when they were down early and I knew it would be an L, so we walked around and shopped, drank, and ate. No emotional investment whatsoever and I was attending the damn game.

Author:  Rod [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:35 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Why is it so important to you that baseball is considered more important or popular than football? It's just strange and comes off as insecure. You don't really see the soccer, basketball, or hockey guys caring that much how mainstream their sport is.


It's not important to me, but it's a fact. I don't want to get into a discussion of the semantics of the word "popular". The whole argument for the "popularity" of football is based upon TV eyes. And I'm not criticizing the NFL or its marketing strategy. It's been highly effective. But make no mistake, that's what football is- a carrier for advertising. The NFL is the apex of American consumerism. Within that narrow context, sure it's more popular than baseball. How could it not be? It's more popular than God or anything else. Ain't that America? It all based upon getting people to sit on their fat asses in front of televisions to be sold product between plays. You are the World's Most Powerful Fan.

Author:  jimmypasta [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:40 am ]
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1 football game victory=A 10 game winning streak in baseball.

Each game in football carries a lot of importance as opposed to baseball.

It's been said before,but most football fans can watch a game with 2 out of town opponents but most baseball fans just watch games with their favorite team playing.

My favorite team is the Cubs but my favorite sport is football.

Author:  Brick [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:41 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Why is it so important to you that baseball is considered more important or popular than football? It's just strange and comes off as insecure. You don't really see the soccer, basketball, or hockey guys caring that much how mainstream their sport is.


It's not important to me, but it's a fact. I don't want to get into a discussion of the semantics of the word "popular". The whole argument for the "popularity" of football is based upon TV eyes. And I'm not criticizing the NFL or its marketing strategy. It's been highly effective. But make no mistake, that's what football is- a carrier for advertising. The NFL is the apex of American consumerism. Within that narrow context, sure it's more popular than baseball. How could it not be? It's more popular than God or anything else. Ain't that America? It all based upon getting people to sit on their fat asses in front of televisions to be sold product between plays. You are the World's Most Powerful Fan.
I think your biggest delusion here is thinking baseball is different in regards to advertising. They put it everywhere they can too including now at Wrigley Field.

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