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Should he go to prison
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time! 56%  56%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:24 am 
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What he did was wrong and dumb but should he risk getting shived for it in some Illinois jail??


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A former Des Plaines police commander who padded DUI arrest records so the department could get federal grant money was sentenced today to six months in prison.

Timothy Veit, 57, apologized in Chicago's Dirksen U.S. Courthouse for his role in defrauding the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Illinois Department of Transportation out of nearly $133,000 in public safety grant funding.


"I'm very sorry for the damage in reputation to the Police Department, my family and myself," Veit said in a courtroom crowded with relatives and members of his former department. "I had no intention to cause harm to anybody."

In addition to the six-month prison term, Judge Samuel Der-Yeghiayan sentenced Veit to 200 hours of community service. His plea agreement with prosecutors also requires him to repay IDOT about $34,500 in restitution.

"This reminds me of Shakespearean tragedy where a good man went bad," Der-Yeghiayan said.


Veit's attorney, Anthony Masciopinto, said his client had been made a scapegoat for the department. Veit had felt pressured to meet quotas to secure funding, his attorney said.

"To say Tim Veit is single-handedly to blame is (ridiculous)," Masciopinto said. "It was well-known. Nothing he did was a secret."

Veit, a Mount Prospect resident, was ordered to report to prison by Dec. 16.

He was initially charged with one felony count of making false statements, but he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of misappropriation of government funds. He could have been sentenced to up to a year in prison.



From 2009 to 2012, Veit padded the department's total number of DUI arrests by 122 to conceal its failure to meet the requirements of an NHTSA-funded impaired-driving enforcement campaign administered by IDOT, according to prosecutors. As part of that scheme, he provided phony blood-alcohol content levels for those fictitious arrests. That enabled the department to collect almost $133,000 in federal money over those years, authorities said.


"We don't think he did this to line his own pockets," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Megan Church. But "what is abundantly clear is no one asked him to lie."

When Veit received an email from an IDOT grant administrator in March 2012 that the department might be audited, he told his commanding officer he had "fudged the numbers," prosecutors said.

Veit retired from the department three months later after 31 years on the force.

After a federal investigation, the city was barred from participating in NHTSA and IDOT grants until September 2015. It also agreed to pay $92,000 in restitution and penalties.

In all, 13 Des Plaines police officers, some of whom prosecutors said attended Thursday's court hearing in an apparent show of support for Veit, got suspensions ranging from seven to 60 days for accepting overtime payments from the grant program for hours they didn't work.

Des Plaines police Chief William Kuschner, who was hired after the fraud came to light, said the officers were not fired because they made up one-third of the city's police force. Since the fraud was discovered, officers have had to work to earn the trust of residents again, he said.

"Citizens come up to me and say, 'When I get stopped by police officers, I ask: Are you one of the 13?' " said Kuschner, who attended the sentencing. "Not only has he stained his own reputation, he stained the reputation of anyone who wears a badge in northern Illinois."

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uh, yes ?

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From 2009 to 2012, Veit padded the department's total number of DUI arrests by 122 to conceal its failure to meet the requirements of an NHTSA-funded impaired-driving enforcement campaign administered by IDOT, according to prosecutors.


so are they saying that for this 'campaign' , they HAD to arrest a certain # of people for DUI ?


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Couldn't he have just had a few cops sit 5 blocks away from various bars? Is that really so hard?

Separately, the quota for cash deal is fucked up.


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Couldn't he have just had a few cops sit 5 blocks away from various bars? Is that really so hard?

Separately, the quota for cash deal is fucked up.


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I'm confused. Was anyone actually arrested or did they just file a report for "Joe Orr, 57" and "Bryan Rodgers, 32"?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm confused. Was anyone actually arrested or did they just file a report for "Joe Orr, 57" and "Bryan Rodgers, 32"?


No one was arrested. They just couldn't find enough drunk drivers.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm confused. Was anyone actually arrested or did they just file a report for "Joe Orr, 57" and "Bryan Rodgers, 32"?


No one was arrested. They just couldn't find enough drunk drivers.
In that case, I say no jail time. We let a lot of white collar criminals walk the streets. This was basically the government version of white collar crime.

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uh, yes ?

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From 2009 to 2012, Veit padded the department's total number of DUI arrests by 122 to conceal its failure to meet the requirements of an NHTSA-funded impaired-driving enforcement campaign administered by IDOT, according to prosecutors.


so are they saying that for this 'campaign' , they HAD to arrest a certain # of people for DUI ?


That is the take away I got.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I'm confused. Was anyone actually arrested or did they just file a report for "Joe Orr, 57" and "Bryan Rodgers, 32"?


No one was arrested. They just couldn't find enough drunk drivers.
In that case, I say no jail time. We let a lot of white collar criminals walk the streets. This was basically the government version of white collar crime.


He's a public worker so it's different.

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don't believe it for a second that he wasn't told they needed more arrests by any means necessary or it would be his job

Even in the suburbs the feds are afraid to go up the ladder

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No jail time. This guy is a real life Jimmy McNulty


The people making him do such ridiculous things (lawmakers and higher ups) are the issue


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don't believe it for a second that he wasn't told they needed more arrests by any means necessary or it would be his job

Even in the suburbs the feds are afraid to go up the ladder



The Feds have gone up the ladder to get the last two governors.

What the feds won't do is take a "he said, she said" case. Too much money invested in a questionable outcome.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
No jail time. This guy is a real life Jimmy McNulty


The people making him do such ridiculous things (lawmakers and higher ups) are the issue

Yeah... after reading the entire article, I feel like the writer focused on the wrong goddamn thing.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
No jail time. This guy is a real life Jimmy McNulty


The people making him do such ridiculous things (lawmakers and higher ups) are the issue

Yeah... after reading the entire article, I feel like the writer focused on the wrong goddamn thing.

Exactly how it would go down on The Wire too.


The police higher ups would put it on McNulty or Herc or Syndor and one of the police/politicians would reach out to that prick running the Baltimore Sun.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
No jail time. This guy is a real life Jimmy McNulty


The people making him do such ridiculous things (lawmakers and higher ups) are the issue

Yeah... after reading the entire article, I feel like the writer focused on the wrong goddamn thing.

Exactly how it would go down on The Wire too.


The police higher ups would put it on McNulty or Herc or Syndor and one of the police/politicians would reach out to that prick running the Baltimore Sun.

I was on the phone with the Baltimore Sun earlier this morning. :D

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wtf? what this guy did was stick it to the dumbass government. had he done this to anyone else he would get 6 weeks paid vacation.

and why are the residents mad? the police could have made REAL false arrests... that would have been bad. but fudging numbers just to keep the feds off your back is nothing- it happens everywhere everyday.

and why the fuck is the feds BRIBING police departments to make DUI arrests? how the fuck is that constitutional? why can't police departments do their job the way they know they need to given their jurisdictions?

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We don't think he did this to line his own pockets," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Megan Church.

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In all, 13 Des Plaines police officers, some of whom prosecutors said attended Thursday's court hearing in an apparent show of support for Veit, got suspensions ranging from seven to 60 days for accepting overtime payments from the grant program for hours they didn't work.

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Councilman Les Whinen wrote:
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think about it. what choice did they have? it was part of the grant. once you start fudging numbers you have to play the full game.

the point is not who did what, but why they did it. they knew if they didnt have enough DUI's they would lose the grant money. which is an entirely flawed way to get grants. the quotas should have never been a part of the deal, and that mistake directly lies on the feds shoulders.

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think about it. what choice did they have? it was part of the grant. once you start fudging numbers you have to play the full game.

the point is not who did what, but why they did it. they knew if they didnt have enough DUI's they would lose the grant money. which is an entirely flawed way to get grants. the quotas should have never been a part of the deal, and that mistake directly lies on the feds shoulders.

The whole situation is fucked up and the system obviously needs to be changed but it doesn't absolve one person of a crime just because everyone at fault isn't getting punished. Saying he didn't do it to line his own pockets when he and his coworkers collected overtime for hours they never worked is real WYC material.

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Councilman Les Whinen wrote:
The whole situation is fucked up and the system obviously needs to be changed but it doesn't absolve one person of a crime just because everyone at fault isn't getting punished. Saying he didn't do it to line his own pockets when he and his coworkers collected overtime for hours they never worked is real WYC material.


My God; somebody actually gets it.

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This guy essentially stole money, correct? Please tell me again why he doesn't deserve jail time?

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There are corners of this country where the respect for the police is near an all-time low. I actually have less respect for suburban police departments and many of their "supporters" than I do for the CPD. This isn't even a surprise.

Of course he should be sent for an extended stretch in the pokey. What he & his co-conspirators did was worse than what most in prisons did, imo.

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I was on the phone with the Baltimore Sun earlier this morning. :D

You killing homeless people?


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This guy essentially stole money, correct? Please tell me again why he doesn't deserve jail time?

It boils down to I didnt read the whole story and thought the fudging of numbers was the totality of the crime


Yes, he should be punished HARSHLY for the OT stuff.


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if he wanted his guys to get OT he would have just told them to get more DUI's even if they have to pin some shady arrests on people.

to me this story speaks of a guy who doesnt agree with the terms of getting federal help. they need the money, but they wont hurt peoples lives just to get it.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I was on the phone with the Baltimore Sun earlier this morning. :D

You killing homeless people?

It has crossed my mind.

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if he wanted his guys to get OT he would have just told them to get more DUI's even if they have to pin some shady arrests on people.

to me this story speaks of a guy who doesnt agree with the terms of getting federal help. they need the money, but they wont hurt peoples lives just to get it.

This isn't Jimmy Mcnulty making up murders to get more money for real investigations, they used the grant money to get overtime pay they wouldn't have to work for. That doesn't sound like "need" to me.

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