Nothing to see here. We pulled out of Iraq.

So we are on the brink of losing Dept of homeland Security but we are pumping product overseas....sheesh

Wake me up when we defeat an idea.

Wake me up when we defeat an idea.

That's an interesting take. It seems like by making such a statement you do understand- on some level at least- that the enemy is Islam. Islam is the idea we're discussing, isn't it?

While I agree that it is damn near impossible to defeat an idea with force, a good start would be to at least acknowledge that there's this idea out there and it's reprehensible and has no place in the kind of society we've built over the last 1000 years.

That's an interesting take. It seems like by making such a statement you do understand- on some level at least- that the enemy is Islam. Islam is the idea we're discussing, isn't it?

While I agree that it is damn near impossible to defeat an idea with force, a good start would be to at least acknowledge that there's this idea out there and it's reprehensible and has no place in the kind of society we've built over the last 1000 years.

That's an interesting take. It seems like by making such a statement you do understand- on some level at least- that the enemy is Islam. Islam is the idea we're discussing, isn't it?

While I agree that it is damn near impossible to defeat an idea with force, a good start would be to at least acknowledge that there's this idea out there and it's reprehensible and has no place in the kind of society we've built over the last 1000 years.

Wrong. Muslims aren't the only one's fighting. After 14 years and trillions of dollars spent the only thing we've done is help their recruiting. I'm starting to believe that's our goal. We definitely haven't changed any hearts or minds.

No such thing as Extreme Militant Islam or any combination thereof.

ISIS has nothing, zero, nada to do with Islam.

And I agree with both BRick and JORR to a large extent. The thing is by not calling this what it is and instead living in a total fantasy world and saying it's something totally different and completely unrelated the President and his administration are removing any responsibility the moderates have or should have for what is going in.

It's quite funny, during the Presidents council on "Extremism" what was it they were actually there to discuss? Buddhists? Lutherans? Atheists? It's quite the false reality they have constructed.

I am interested to here about the many non Muslim members of ISIS.

They're successfully recruiting young people all around the world. People that look like you and me are rushing to join them. Many Americans have joined them. Their propaganda is working.

Wrong. Muslims aren't the only one's fighting. After 14 years and trillions of dollars spent the only thing we've done is help their recruiting. I'm starting to believe that's our goal. We definitely haven't changed any hearts or minds.

If you do not convert to their way of Islam you are killed.

Or if you convert from Islam to another religion you are killed.

Recruitment of ANYONE for these type of situations is from a pool of people with nothing happening in life. Most lack basic education, jobs, futures...

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Recruitment of ANYONE for these type of situations is from a pool of people with nothing happening in life. Most lack basic education, jobs, futures...recruiting these people should not be seen as EFFECTIVE....but at the same time these people cant be changed and need to be killed. Simple.

I don't believe that is actually the case. All 9/11 hijackers were college educated and more than one had an advanced degree.

These are people who just really believe in their religion. Not believe in it in a way that you are familiar with believing in a religion: "Yeah, the Bears don't play until 3:00 so I can make mass today" or "There might be pork in this Chinese dish, but don't ask, don't tell!"

It is a very large % of the recruits that are on the ground fighting. Those that you are talking about are totally different.

Example, they believe that about 1000 ISIS fighters are from france and most of them are what I described. These are people with empty lives that found Islam and took it to the extreme.

ISIS is going to be a great proving ground as to whether moderate Islam exists in that part of the world.

If what they say is true about the difference between moderate Islam and radical Islam then ISIS should be destroyed by the moderates without the United States even using a single bomb.

No, you can convert...and pay a FINE! lol serious...

And they are recruiting people from around the world, but these people lack basic thought processes...

Recruitment of ANYONE for these type of situations is from a pool of people with nothing happening in life. Most lack basic education, jobs, futures...recruiting these people should not be seen as EFFECTIVE....but at the same time these people cant be changed and need to be killed. Simple.

To some extent all wars are wars on ideas. I'm not sure why you hold this special respect for this particular horrible idea that most definitely needs to be defeated.

Think of how dumb it would sound to say that we shouldn't have fought the Germans in WWII because we were just helping their recruiting and besides that not every German wants to wipe Jews off the planet. There were moderate Germans!