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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some prob |
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/meet ... the-world/ they say taxing the super rich more wouldn't help the economy its funny though, because the numbers add up to tell otherwise.... 35 of these 80 people are in the US |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
WHY DO YOU HATE SUCCESS IKE? seriously if you take from these guys next thing you know they're gonna wanna tax my 100k/yr at 75-90% and we can't have that! i work hard for MY money, not for money going to the welfare queens living it up on steak and caviar! this message paid for by the Citizens for Success PAC. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
dude... i hear what you mean, but 80 people are equal to 3.5 billion, and YOU are in that 3.5 billion. Can you even comprehend that? |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
IkeSouth wrote: dude... i hear what you mean, but 80 people are equal to 3.5 billion, and YOU are in that 3.5 billion. Can you even comprehend that? ...you know i'm on your side here, right? after a certain point hoarding $$$ becomes an addiction like anything else. when you hit the point where you're like "i'm worth 10bil and holy fucking shit if they tax me down to 7bil i swear to god i'm going to go use my rich person privilege and go kill somebody" it's just madness. i might not have a family to add up the costs right now, but i'd have a hard time figuring out how to plow through half a mil.... let alone multiple billions. personally i think the uber-rich have done a brilliant job of co-opting a bunch of middle class schlubs into being on their side of things vis-a-vis "hating success" and instilling this fear in people that if they come after the upper echelon next thing you know everyone's going to be giving up their $$$ to those damn [insert your preferred euphemism here for people of another race on welfare]s. i think it's a psychological thing where these good little worker bees wanna be down with the uber-rich so they kind of act think and politick like them in the hopes that they'll be cool with the winners in life. i like to think there's a cost of living in society.... and if you're that rich yeah it sucks you gotta pay more, but you're paying that $$$ so you can go around the world being rich as fuck and have that much less of a chance of people killing you for your stuff cuz they got a something something for themselves too. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
So quick to judge.....what do you want those with billions to do....give it to the US govt who can then give it out to friends and family members that create BS organizations to help council the poorest levels of society??? You should be praising guys like Gates....for the gates foundation that tries to use that money for direct impact of the lowest class of people in the world so they can drink clean water, and other luxuries like that. Even Buffett who says you should leave your money to charities... Plenty of bad in that list as well, but the problem isnt these people donating money...its how it is used...or not used is just as much the problem. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
hOW ABOUT SOME SOLUTIONS... http://www.gatesfoundation.org/ |
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| Author: | Scorehead [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
We could use a few of the guys on this list in government. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Fri May 01, 2015 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
im not meaning these are the only 35 we should tax, but i am saying you cant sit here and tell me taxing the rich wont work because the numbers say the system is so lopsided right now that redistribution of wealth would only help not hurt. multiple billionaires have said it too, but they admit they are not willing to voluntarily do it because they dont believe the money will be spent wisely, and i agree with their point. |
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| Author: | NME [ Sun May 03, 2015 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
Whats the result of taxing the 'rich' more tho? Is the result, taxing them more, and taxing everyone else less so people with less can have more? I'd be good with that. If not, whats the actual benefit of taxing them more? Its not rocket science figuring out how poorly the people doing the taxing use the taxes. So if that's the only benefit, fuck that, I'll side with the rich and say let them keep their money. Every time I see/hear these debates the left side of it doesn't seem to offer up anything outside of 'oh man, look how only 50 people are worth more than millions of people' -but they only have talking points or statements of disappoint, no realistic solutions or positive results. Ok. What is taxing them more going to produce positive on everyone elses end? What is the end result here? Don't just make a statement and leave it at that, back it up with something. If not, it just comes off as envious at something someone has that you don't. Its like bitching that pro athletes and famous dudes get to fuck 10's and you don't at that point. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Sun May 03, 2015 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
Raising taxes on rich people doesn't automatically lead to a better economy. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Sun May 03, 2015 3:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
SomeGuy wrote: Raising taxes on rich people doesn't automatically lead to a better economy. and blanket statements out of context from the discussion makes you look like an idiot |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Sun May 03, 2015 3:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
NME wrote: Whats the result of taxing the 'rich' more tho? Is the result, taxing them more, and taxing everyone else less so people with less can have more? I'd be good with that. If not, whats the actual benefit of taxing them more? Its not rocket science figuring out how poorly the people doing the taxing use the taxes. So if that's the only benefit, fuck that, I'll side with the rich and say let them keep their money. Every time I see/hear these debates the left side of it doesn't seem to offer up anything outside of 'oh man, look how only 50 people are worth more than millions of people' -but they only have talking points or statements of disappoint, no realistic solutions or positive results. Ok. What is taxing them more going to produce positive on everyone elses end? What is the end result here? Don't just make a statement and leave it at that, back it up with something. If not, it just comes off as envious at something someone has that you don't. Its like bitching that pro athletes and famous dudes get to fuck 10's and you don't at that point. i said all of this in about one sentence a few posts up. again, everyone knows a redistribution of wealth, AT THIS POINT, needs to happen. how we do it is an entirely different conversation, but the point of this thread is to get the clowns on here, like someguy, to understand that the facts prove the rich are so fucking rich it really is hurting the rest of us. of course it didnt work, that fuckhead just hates everything i say so despite my best attempt i still failed at getting the point across. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Sun May 03, 2015 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
Gates has committed BILLIONS to his charity....$30-$50 Bill....all directed at causes he and his board sees as world needs... Assuming there was a 50% on Billionaires...then what? The morons in Congress would have more money to give to their friends??? Now, not all billinoaires are as charitable as Gates is ...and not just with money, all his efforts have gone to help the needy. He has acquired funds from other billionaires, that once again...the government could never do.... So essentially this solution is in action and its not working..... if you had $500 BILL from all these people and you split it among the 3 BILL...........Thats $166 a person....think that changes anything? And if those in India dont live in Povery how can we all have Apple Watches????? #PRIORITIES |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Sun May 03, 2015 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
IkeSouth wrote: SomeGuy wrote: Raising taxes on rich people doesn't automatically lead to a better economy. and blanket statements out of context from the discussion makes you look like an idiot Not really, I'm just trying my hand at playing down to your level. Say, don't you have yet another job to get fired from for being a total loser? Hop to it, sport! |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Sun May 03, 2015 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
SomeGuy wrote: IkeSouth wrote: SomeGuy wrote: Raising taxes on rich people doesn't automatically lead to a better economy. and blanket statements out of context from the discussion makes you look like an idiot Not really, I'm just trying my hand at playing down to your level. Say, don't you have yet another job to get fired from for being a total loser? Hop to it, sport! 
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Sun May 03, 2015 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
bigfan wrote: Gates has committed BILLIONS to his charity....$30-$50 Bill....all directed at causes he and his board sees as world needs... Assuming there was a 50% on Billionaires...then what? The morons in Congress would have more money to give to their friends??? Now, not all billinoaires are as charitable as Gates is ...and not just with money, all his efforts have gone to help the needy. He has acquired funds from other billionaires, that once again...the government could never do.... So essentially this solution is in action and its not working..... if you had $500 BILL from all these people and you split it among the 3 BILL...........Thats $166 a person....think that changes anything? And if those in India dont live in Povery how can we all have Apple Watches????? #PRIORITIES again, i already made this statement in a lot fewer words in the first couple posts. please read people, it helps drive productive conversation |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Sun May 03, 2015 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
The IRS is taking in more revenue than ever. And calling taxes revenue is laughable at best. We could confiscate all the money from those folks and only run the government for a few weeks. It's apparent to anyone paying attention that we have a spending problem, not a taxation problem. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Sun May 03, 2015 7:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: here's 35 people (of the 80) we could tax to solve some |
thats obviously the problem  but even if we lowered spending across the board, if we dont fix the tax problem then the balance of wealth stays the same. if you want to propose reducing taxes to next to nothing for any household making less than $150k/yr and fund that by cutting a chunk of the defense budget you would have a great argument. the bigger problem is i think we spend a lot more in local/state taxes than on federal, so the problem is much more difficult to solve than sweeping national changes. the whole thing just sucks, and like i said before its compounded by the fact that we play on a global market where our rules dont apply elsewhere, so we are competing at a disadvantage from the start. |
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