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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue May 05, 2015 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
This made big headlines the other day. http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/5 ... e-sentence what a mess. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Tue May 05, 2015 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Warehousing human beings is a bad idea no matter what the crime is. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue May 05, 2015 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Seacrest wrote: Warehousing human beings is a bad idea no matter what the crime is. alternative? this kid made multiple plots for years to kill prison guards and wardens after being sentenced to jail. im not sure what else you can do to him besides lock him up. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue May 05, 2015 11:57 am ] |
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not a lawer nor care to be one, but I was thinking this case had to do with legality of giving a 14-year old life in prison. Meanwhile the guy that shot Reagan and ruined the Brady family's life is walking around free as a jaybird. |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Tue May 05, 2015 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Elkhart Four should be hearing their fate soon: https://www.facebook.com/TheElkhart4 http://abcnews.go.com/US/controversial- ... d=24710849 4 teenagers, 2 age 16, 1 age 17, 1 age 18 all get 50 year sentences under Indiana's felony murder rule. they were wandering around during a skip school day looking for an empty house to burglar. They break into a dude's house, thinking he's gone for the day and it's empty, and lo and behold dude is home and packing. He shoots one of the kids dead (21 year old Danzele Johnson), so the other all get rung up on felony murder charges for the death of their compatriot. Interesting that a dude in Minnesota, Byron Smith, got life in prison for doing what the homeowner in Indiana did...[ Indiana homeowner who shot Danzele wasn't charged at all ] https://youtu.be/r6RGXGgTr6g comments are interesting. kids had broken into dude's house 10 previous times. jeez. his lawyers must've sucked. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Tue May 05, 2015 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
If he hasn't been acting up in prison he should be let out at this point. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue May 05, 2015 12:43 pm ] |
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Life should mean life ..fuck this guy, he killed two people . |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue May 05, 2015 12:50 pm ] |
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This juvenile murder thing made me thing of a sensational story about 10 years ago. Was Palos area and a teenager and his girlfriend killed the parents or maybe the kid did it. Wonder whatever happened to that kid. I think he was on the run a while or something. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Tue May 05, 2015 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
IkeSouth wrote: Seacrest wrote: Warehousing human beings is a bad idea no matter what the crime is. alternative? this kid made multiple plots for years to kill prison guards and wardens after being sentenced to jail. im not sure what else you can do to him besides lock him up. Someone acts poorly after being stripped of all hope and you are surprised by this? His upbringing was somewhere between god awful and incredibly fucked up. This had a lot to do with the crime that was committed. |
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| Author: | Dallas Winston [ Tue May 05, 2015 1:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around! |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:03 pm ] |
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Dallas Winston wrote: 14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around! Every person is worthy of redemption. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/relig ... 0577/posts |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Dallas Winston wrote: 14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around! How bout 15 ? 16? 19? There was a 15 year old kid in Rhode island who was a god damn serial killa . |
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| Author: | Hockey Gay [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:19 pm ] |
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Youre still an idiot at 14 but you should be able to tell right from wrong at that point. I think the judge made the right call. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Redemption is fine, but I'll leave that up to the higher power. If he wants to let the guy into heaven, then I am ok with that. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:23 pm ] |
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312player wrote: Dallas Winston wrote: 14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around! How bout 15 ? 16? 19? There was a 15 year old kid in Rhode island who was a god damn serial killa . How many years in prison should you serve for striking a woman? |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:25 pm ] |
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Seacrest wrote: Dallas Winston wrote: 14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around! Every person is worthy of redemption. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/relig ... 0577/posts No. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
312player wrote: Dallas Winston wrote: 14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around! How bout 15 ? 16? 19? There was a 15 year old kid in Rhode island who was a god damn serial killa . Each case is different. There are some people that may have to spend the rest of their life in prison because they are unable to peacefully coexist in society with others. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Hockey Gay wrote: Youre still an idiot at 14 but you should be able to tell right from wrong at that point. I think the judge made the right call. Read up on this kid's history. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:33 pm ] |
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IMU wrote: Seacrest wrote: Dallas Winston wrote: 14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around! Every person is worthy of redemption. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/relig ... 0577/posts No. Perhaps not, but surely you must feel that every child is. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:34 pm ] |
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Somewhere there's a guy saying, "grass on the field....." |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue May 05, 2015 2:38 pm ] |
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Regular Reader wrote: IMU wrote: Seacrest wrote: Dallas Winston wrote: 14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around! Every person is worthy of redemption. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/relig ... 0577/posts No. Perhaps not, but surely you must feel that every child is. To be honest, I was in middle school with a 15 year old kid that brutally murdered one of our classmates, his grandmother and great aunt. I don't think he did. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue May 05, 2015 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Hawg Ass wrote: To be honest, I was in middle school with a 15 year old kid that brutally murdered one of our classmates, his grandmother and great aunt. I don't think he did. I could be wrong, but I'd expect that back in the day many would have openly thought to hear how that kid was "off in the head". That would suggest that he had serious mental issues that hadn't been addressed and didn't allow the chance that the kid had any hint of the maturity needed to (legally) defend himself or consider the real impact of his actions. Extending the violence to (either his own or the classmate's) relatives would suggest that perhaps the kid never had a fair/decent shot at a childhood...or life. 17 year olds may generally be goofy and are legally still children, but I tend to draw the line for being charged as adult at 17, perhaps 16 depending on the circumstances. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Tue May 05, 2015 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Regular Reader wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: To be honest, I was in middle school with a 15 year old kid that brutally murdered one of our classmates, his grandmother and great aunt. I don't think he did. I could be wrong, but I'd expect that back in the day many would have openly thought to hear how that kid was "off in the head". That would suggest that he had serious mental issues that hadn't been addressed and didn't allow the chance that the kid had any hint of the maturity needed to (legally) defend himself or consider the real impact of his actions. Extending the violence to (either his own or the classmate's) relatives would suggest that perhaps the kid never had a fair/decent shot at a childhood...or life. 17 year olds may generally be goofy and are legally still children, but I tend to draw the line for being charged as adult at 17, perhaps 16 depending on the circumstances. The problem with drawing that line is that most kids charged at those ages were forced into adulthood by their environment, and not by choice. |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue May 05, 2015 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Life in Prison affirmed for 14 year old murderer |
Regular Reader wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: To be honest, I was in middle school with a 15 year old kid that brutally murdered one of our classmates, his grandmother and great aunt. I don't think he did. I could be wrong, but I'd expect that back in the day many would have openly thought to hear how that kid was "off in the head". That would suggest that he had serious mental issues that hadn't been addressed and didn't allow the chance that the kid had any hint of the maturity needed to (legally) defend himself or consider the real impact of his actions. Extending the violence to (either his own or the classmate's) relatives would suggest that perhaps the kid never had a fair/decent shot at a childhood...or life. 17 year olds may generally be goofy and are legally still children, but I tend to draw the line for being charged as adult at 17, perhaps 16 depending on the circumstances. I know my thoughts may not be right and according to the good book, I know they are not. I respect your thoughts and opinions, but I feel his senticing was justified. He was caught without a doubt. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue May 05, 2015 3:31 pm ] |
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Seacrest wrote: The problem with drawing that line is that most kids charged at those ages were forced into adulthood by their environment, and not by choice. I generally agree with that, which is what makes minimum mandatory sentencing guidelines abhorrent to me. I once had a 15-16 yr old client who was charged with kidnapping a minor (minimum 6 years in the pen), because the girl kept a toddler she was watching away from home overnight. She did it because she didn't have bus fare to get home & the toddler's mother didn't have a working phone. She got $$$ the next morning, took the toddler home later that evening & there was met by the FBI. Six months later (all spent in Cook Co. jail) when I met her, I initially thought she was 12. At least mentally. I was shocked when I discovered she was pregnant. No one else yet knew, only her father (non-custodial parent) even later seemed to care. The dad had only seen her through the glass at the jail & the jerseys they give inmates ran large enough to conceal her w/child status. When I met the mother two weeks later, I realized that the kid (& now grandchild perhaps) had no chance. The state's attorney (who first wanted a plea that would have given the girl the min. six years) was shocked to find out the girl's status, realized she was completely immature and allowed her to settle out for time served on a minor misdemeanor charge. Of course the presiding (hanging) judge likely would have had none of that, so we had to motion the case to a date where we knew he would be on vacation. The new judge was stunned when he reviewed the case, learned of the defendant's status and realized just how close she & the PD came to having her take the six year stretch. I felt a lot less sick of it all once we got her out. I still occasionally wonder how many more kids get swept away into the system not really knowing/appreciating what they did, or plead guilty for. I realize this are apples and oranges matters, but the cluelessness & hopelessness of some kids always makes me wonder. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue May 05, 2015 4:21 pm ] |
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Regular Reader wrote: Perhaps not, but surely you must feel that every child is. At 14, you can make some terrible decisions. But you're old enough to know they are terrible decisions. Life may be harsh, but I'm not giving someone a get out of jail free card because they were 14 instead of 16 or 18 or 25. He didn't steal cigarettes or break someone's nose. He murdered some dudes. And growing up in a shit area isn't a valid excuse for murdering some people. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue May 05, 2015 4:26 pm ] |
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IMU you are permanently damaging the children of CoC with your deft raids. Surely, this will come back to haunt America and the world. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Tue May 05, 2015 4:33 pm ] |
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IMU wrote: At 14, you can make some terrible decisions. But you're old enough to know they are terrible decisions. Life may be harsh, but I'm not giving someone a get out of jail free card because they were 14 instead of 16 or 18 or 25. He didn't steal cigarettes or break someone's nose. He murdered some dudes. And growing up in a shit area isn't a valid excuse for murdering some people. How convenient to believe that, then you can lock people away without feeling any guilt. 25 years sure isn't getting out of jail free. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue May 05, 2015 4:42 pm ] |
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KDdidit wrote: IMU wrote: At 14, you can make some terrible decisions. But you're old enough to know they are terrible decisions. Life may be harsh, but I'm not giving someone a get out of jail free card because they were 14 instead of 16 or 18 or 25. He didn't steal cigarettes or break someone's nose. He murdered some dudes. And growing up in a shit area isn't a valid excuse for murdering some people. How convenient to believe that, then you can lock people away without feeling any guilt. 25 years sure isn't getting out of jail free. We were all 14 once. Douchebag might still be 14. If you were 14 and you used the excuse that you were too young to know better, you're a liar or the most sheltered kid on earth. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Tue May 05, 2015 5:04 pm ] |
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ES:Trolling racist posts=IMU Trolling white male suburban privilege posts |
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