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Author:  redskingreg [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Oregon school shooting
Sickening. At least ten are dead so far.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/or ... index.html
Author:  IMU [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Damn, my company did an auction in that town last fall.
Author:  redskingreg [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
https://twitter.com/mxnders_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Author:  sinicalypse [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:22 pm ]
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evidently this kid posted a thread on 4chan's /r9k/ board yesterday about doing this..... argh. this can only be good for the future of "anonymous imageboards"

(btw this screencap isn't a longform one and evidently whoever took it was in europe cuz the timestamps show the posts being made early early this morning but other ones i've seen show it around ~4pm in the USA (prolly pacific time i'd guess) so that jump from pacific time to european time would show the discrepancy between 4pm-Weds/1am-Thurs

Image

edit: welp i guess the archive site is working again >> https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073/
Author:  jimmypasta [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Never ends,does it?

Talking heads will eat this up for 3-4 days then back to Kardashian coverage.
Author:  Hockey Gay [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
jimmypasta wrote:
Never ends,does it?

Talking heads will eat this up for 3-4 days then back to Kardashian coverage.

BAN GUNS! GIVE EVERYONE GUNS!
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
As pro 2nd amendment as I am, hard to ignore the statistics at this point. A reasonable discussion should be had about increased gun control, but that MUST be part of addressing the much longer mental health issue in this country.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Northside_Dan wrote:
As pro 2nd amendment as I am, hard to ignore the statistics at this point. A reasonable discussion should be had about increased gun control, but that MUST be part of addressing the much longer mental health issue in this country.


Having included that exceedingly important caveat, I believe I'll agree with it.
Author:  W_Z [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Northside_Dan wrote:
As pro 2nd amendment as I am, hard to ignore the statistics at this point. A reasonable discussion should be had about increased gun control, but that MUST be part of addressing the much longer mental health issue in this country.


the issue is that people who shouldn't have access to guns are getting access to guns. we don't have a great track record taking care of mentally ill people.

honestly, the "mentally ill" argument is getting just as tiresome as the "too many guns" argument.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
W_Z wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
As pro 2nd amendment as I am, hard to ignore the statistics at this point. A reasonable discussion should be had about increased gun control, but that MUST be part of addressing the much longer mental health issue in this country.


the issue is that people who shouldn't have access to guns are getting access to guns. we don't have a great track record taking care of mentally ill people.

honestly, the "mentally ill" argument is getting just as tiresome as the "too many guns" argument.

Why are you pro crazy people with guns???
Author:  W_Z [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
why are you SHAMING me? BULLY! RAPE!
Author:  leashyourkids [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
I think some of the mental health responses are due to people who live in a simplistic world that believes people who shoot up schools are simply "evil."
Author:  Hockey Gay [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
The gun and mental health issue will never change. I accepted awhile ago that is is how things will be from now on. It seems like the majority of the population thinks that extreme people are just born that way when it's really society that creates extreme people. American society is too fucked beyond repair in it's own way.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
leashyourkids wrote:
I think some of the mental health responses are due to people who live in a simplistic world that believes people who shoot up schools are simply "evil."


:?:
Author:  IMU [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Hockey Gay wrote:
when it's really society that creates extreme people. American society is too fucked beyond repair in it's own way.

Not a good enough excuse. Learn to deal.

Shooter X is living in the same society as everyone else is. 99.9% manages.
Author:  TurdFerguson [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Don Tiny wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I think some of the mental health responses are due to people who live in a simplistic world that believes people who shoot up schools are simply "evil."


:?:


I think I agree with what he is saying. By dubbing these shooters as evil it absolves the community at large from having a hand in creating the "monster". If it was recognized that there was something that could of been done by society, these people may get more help.

The problem always turns to who pays for it since all govt's are broke.
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
leashyourkids wrote:
I think some of the mental health responses are due to people who live in a simplistic world that believes people who shoot up schools are simply "evil."


No one has called anyone evil.

Mental Health has nothing to do with people simply being evil. Sure, of course there's a certain percentage of people that are born with various chemical/hormonal imbalances which creates a personality that society deems 'abnormal'. Those tend to be easy to find as they grow up and we still do a piss poor job of treating them.

The much larger subset of the mental health issue are those who have never committed a crime, can easily pass a background check but as a result of their youth, society, parents whatever, they feel the only way to find peace/get noticed is to get a gun and kill innocents.
We are 1000x at identifying these warning signs and getting them help.
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
IMU wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
when it's really society that creates extreme people. American society is too fucked beyond repair in it's own way.

Not a good enough excuse. Learn to deal.

Shooter X is living in the same society as everyone else is. 99.9% manages.


Man...I thought you'd be past this point...what's next...helping the sad people get money so they're happy?

Is it really 2011 all over again?
Author:  leashyourkids [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Northside_Dan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I think some of the mental health responses are due to people who live in a simplistic world that believes people who shoot up schools are simply "evil."


No one has called anyone evil.

Mental Health has nothing to do with people simply being evil. Sure, of course there's a certain percentage of people that are born with various chemical/hormonal imbalances which creates a personality that society deems 'abnormal'. Those tend to be easy to find as they grow up and we still do a piss poor job of treating them.

The much larger subset of the mental health issue are those who have never committed a crime, can easily pass a background check but as a result of their youth, society, parents whatever, they feel the only way to find peace/get noticed is to get a gun and kill innocents.
We are 1000x at identifying these warning signs and getting them help.


I think we probably agree for the most part. But I can assure you there are many people who view people who do things like this as simply "evil." They chalk it up to a bad seed. There are biological, sociological, and psychological reasons things like this occur. I think citing "mental health" in general is probably an overly-simplistic way of saying that the problem is nuanced. It doesn't come down to good people and bad people.

I don't have solutions - I fully admit that. But the reason these things keep happening is not simply due to "bad people." These people may have very well been "good people" at one time... but then something went awry in their brains. It would at least be worthwhile to explore more proactively what that was and how we can prevent it.
Author:  IMU [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
sjboyd0137 wrote:
IMU wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
when it's really society that creates extreme people. American society is too fucked beyond repair in it's own way.

Not a good enough excuse. Learn to deal.

Shooter X is living in the same society as everyone else is. 99.9% manages.


Man...I thought you'd be past this point...what's next...helping the sad people get money so they're happy?

Is it really 2011 all over again?

I don't know why you thought I'd 'get past' an opinion.

I'm forming the opinion through observations and reasoning.

tl;dr I'm the Same Ol' G
Author:  IMU [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
sjboyd0137 wrote:
IMU wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
when it's really society that creates extreme people. American society is too fucked beyond repair in it's own way.

Not a good enough excuse. Learn to deal.

Shooter X is living in the same society as everyone else is. 99.9% manages.


Man...I thought you'd be past this point...what's next...helping the sad people get money so they're happy?

Is it really 2011 all over again?

I don't know why you thought I'd 'get past' an opinion.

I'm forming the opinion through observations and reasoning.

tl;dr I'm the Same Ol' G
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Double postin' G

And I don't think of it as "getting past" something...opinions evolve through life and experience.

Trust me...mine have changed over the years...dealing with a bi-polar ex wife will do that to you.
Author:  IMU [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Well my opinion that we have a contingent of folks in the U.S. with weak mental fortitude has not changed.

Life isn't going to be roses and chocolates all of the time. Work with what you have, and improve what you can.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
IMU wrote:
Well my opinion that we have a contingent of folks in the U.S. with weak mental fortitude has not changed.


This is a very overly-simplistic and awful thought. We can discuss Sunday over a round of your stupid play golf game.
Author:  IMU [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
leashyourkids wrote:
IMU wrote:
Well my opinion that we have a contingent of folks in the U.S. with weak mental fortitude has not changed.


This is a very overly-simplistic and awful thought. We can discuss Sunday over a round of your stupid play golf game.

I look forward to both the conversation and the Golden Tee.

I was born to teach. Some call me the preeminent educator on the board.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
IMU wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
IMU wrote:
Well my opinion that we have a contingent of folks in the U.S. with weak mental fortitude has not changed.


This is a very overly-simplistic and awful thought. We can discuss Sunday over a round of your stupid play golf game.

I look forward to both the conversation and the Golden Tee.

I was born to teach. Some call me the preeminent educator on the board.


Preeminent something perhaps.
Author:  IMU [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Don Tiny wrote:
IMU wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
IMU wrote:
Well my opinion that we have a contingent of folks in the U.S. with weak mental fortitude has not changed.


This is a very overly-simplistic and awful thought. We can discuss Sunday over a round of your stupid play golf game.

I look forward to both the conversation and the Golden Tee.

I was born to teach. Some call me the preeminent educator on the board.


Preeminent something perhaps.

Join us?
Author:  Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
I would, but as it stand now I believe I'll be watching a pointless game 162 up in Milwaukee.
Author:  312player [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Its become a knee jerk reaction to mass shootings to scream "mentally ill " who cares what the motive was..ya did it scumbag. Boohoo my daddy didn't play catch with me n mommy never hugged me..too fuckin bad, toughen up pussy.
Author:  IMU [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon school shooting
Goddamnit 312... now I want to kill myself.
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