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Author: | IkeSouth [ Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
![]() The 3-year-old boy who was one of two people killed in city shootings since Saturday night was accidentally shot by his 6-year-old brother while the two were playing cops and robbers, according to police. The boy, whom authorities identified as Eian Santiago, was at a residence at about 9:05 p.m. in the 1000 block of North Francisco Avenue in the Humboldt Park neighborhood on the West Side when his 6-year-old brother got hold of a revolver and shot him in the head. According to Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi, the two had been playing "cops and robbers" when the 6-year-old saw the handgun atop a refrigerator, took it and fired it in the direction of his brother. Guglielmi could not further describe the weapon other than saying it was a handgun. The boys' father, 25-year-old Michael Santiago, was charged with felony child endangerment in connection with the shooting. He kept a loaded gun on top of a refrigerator, according to police. He is expected to appear in bond court Sunday. Guglielmi said that Michael Santiago told police he was a former member of the Spanish Cobras gang and that he had purchased the gun from another gang member for protection. Guglielmi said police are in the process of tracing the weapon. After the shooting, the boy's family members took him to Norwegian American Hospital. He later was transferred to Mount Sinai Hospital, where family members gathered as word of the shooting spread. As word of the shooting spread, people walked up to the ambulance bay at Mount Sinai in groups of two or three. By 11:20 p.m., about two dozen people were waiting in the cold, including a young woman who had been wailing almost nonstop for half an hour. "Why can't I go in?" she asked someone inside, sobbing. A few minutes later, she screamed in the same direction. "What do you mean, he's dead?" she screamed. "What do you mean, we can't go in?" "No, no, no, no," said one man as he walked up to the hospital. He came to the wall and sank into a crouch. "Oh, God, why," he said, his voice ragged. In other shootings: At about 2 a.m., a man was killed and another was wounded in a shooting in Rosemoor, said Chicago Police spokesman Officer Hector Alfaro said. They were pulling away from a curb in a vehicle in the 10600 block of South Prairie Avenue when people walked up and fired shots. The driver, a 22-year-old man, was shot in the upper back and pronounced dead on the scene. A 19-year-old man was shot in the knee and taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center. His condition was stabilized. At 10:10 p.m., a 37-year-old man was shot in West Chatham, Alfaro said. He was discovered on the sidewalk in the 7900 block of South Lafayette Avenue with a gunshot wound to the head. He was taken to Stroger Hospital in serious condition. At 9:15 p.m., a 36-year-old man was shot in Cragin, Alfaro said. He was in the 5500 block of West Altgeld Street when he was shot in the calf. He was taken to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center in good condition. No information was available about the man's exact age or the circumstances of the shooting. At about 9 p.m., a 22-year-old man was shot in the Washington Park neighborhood, police said. He was in a vehicle that was stopped at an intersection in the 5300 block of South Michigan Avenue when a car pulled up alongside and someone inside began shooting, Alfaro said. He was hit in the leg and taken to Stroger Hospital. His condition was stabilized. About 8:45 p.m., a 26-year-old man was shot in the Fifth City neighborhood on the West Side, Alfaro said. He was in the 0-100 block of South Homan Avenue when he was robbed and shot in the leg, Alfaro said. He went to Mount Sinai Hospital, and his condition was stabilized. Police initially said the person was a juvenile who had been shot in the 3300 block of West Monroe Street. At 8:40 p.m., a 35-year-old man was shot in Woodlawn, Alfaro said. He was in a parked car in the 6100 block of South Ellis Avenue when another car pulled up alongside and someone inside fired shots. The man was shot in the head and taken to Stroger Hospital, where his condition was stabilized. A law enforcement source said the man was conscious and talking. Police initially said the shooting happened in the 6400 block of South Ellis Avenue. About 2:30, a 40-year-old man was shot in the Scottsdale neighborhood, police said. He was in the 8500 block of South Pulaski Road when he was shot in the hip. He drove himself to Advocate Christ Medical Center and his condition was stabilized. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
"Non existant?" So there are no "gun laws" in the United States as a whole let alone gun laws in Illinois? Very interesting, tell me more. |
Author: | Brick [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
The father violated at least two gun laws though so I'm not sure this thread makes sense. |
Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
We have by far the most lax gun laws of any modern country. If u want to make arguments based off verbage technicalities you are fucking stupid. Conservatives :rolleyes: |
Author: | Brick [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
IkeSouth wrote: We have by far the most lax gun laws of any modern country. If u want to make arguments based off verbage technicalities you are fucking stupid. Conservatives :rolleyes: Cite some legal gun ownership issues. There were at least two laws broken here prior to the incident. It didn't matter.
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Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 58 Murders a Year by Firearms in Britain, 8,775 in US http://readersupportednews.org/news-sec ... 8775-in-us |
Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
I find it funny that Ike starts threads like these, and then is incapable of even trying to defend his stance on the topic. Hopefully one day he will learn you don't win a debate by calling someone a fucking retard and then crying. |
Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
What gun laws would have prevented this from happening? |
Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Darkside wrote: What gun laws would have prevented this from happening? Didn't you hear Ike? This shit isn't debatable. |
Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
FavreFan wrote: Darkside wrote: What gun laws would have prevented this from happening? Didn't you hear Ike? This shit isn't debatable. Oh. Very well then. BAN GUNS! (even though the gentleman in question owned the gun illegally) |
Author: | pittmike [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:53 pm ] |
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Author: | Chus [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
pittmike wrote: ![]() **Full disclosure, because some people are stupid, and will confuse what I am saying. I don't believe in making guns illegal. Prohibition of guns would work as well as it did with alcohol, and currently does with street drugs.*** This is the dumbest cartoon ever, and one of the weakest talking points by the gun crowd. This idea that the gun has nothing to do with shootings is preposterous. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html Deaths in the USA for the year 2012: Guns - 8,855 Cutting or Stabbing - 1,589 Blunt object - 518 Strangulation, hands, fists, feet, or pushing - 767 |
Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
pittmike wrote: ![]() I want you to be honest because I clearly think you're a prince and defend you at all costs... Is this from the HPV-pregnancy website? |
Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
guys, i am posting data. facts. you can whine about being called retarded, but you are if you cant comprehend simple data. here. its simple. other countries have gun laws we dont, and this is the data that comes from that. you all like baseball data, this is just like that. its still numbers, you can interpret it the same way. a 5 year old would be surprised by this, if you are not you have the mental capacity of someone less than 5 years old. Country Guns per 100 Total Firearm-related Deaths per 100,000 United States 88.8 10.2 Switzerland 45.7 3.84 Finland 45.3 3.64 Sweden 31.6 1.47 Norway 31.3 1.78 France 31.2 3 Canada 30.8 2.44 Austria 30.4 2.94 Iceland 30.3 1.25 Germany 30.3 1.1 New Zealand 22.6 2.66 Greece 22.5 1.5 Belgium 17.2 2.43 Luxembourg 15.3 1.81 Australia 15 1.04 South Africa 12.7 9.41 Turkey 12.5 0.72 Denmark 12 1.45 Malta 11.9 2.16 Italy 11.9 1.28 Spain 10.4 0.63 Ireland 8.6 1.03 Portugal 8.5 1.77 Israel 7.3 1.86 United Kingdom 6.2 0.25 Netherlands 3.9 0.46 Japan 0.6 0.06 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013 ... udy-finds/ |
Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Nobody is disputing the data, at least in this thread. As is your usual habit, you are arguing against nobody, and not making any coherent point in the process. |
Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
FavreFan wrote: Nobody is disputing the data, at least in this thread. As is your usual habit, you are arguing against nobody, and not making any coherent point in the process. ok youre officially dumb as a 6ft mexican boarder wall FavreFan wrote: Darkside wrote: What gun laws would have prevented this from happening? Didn't you hear Ike? This shit isn't debatable. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
IkeSouth wrote: FavreFan wrote: Nobody is disputing the data, at least in this thread. As is your usual habit, you are arguing against nobody, and not making any coherent point in the process. ok youre officially dumb as a 6ft mexican boarder wall FavreFan wrote: Darkside wrote: What gun laws would have prevented this from happening? Didn't you hear Ike? This shit isn't debatable. What point are you trying to make? You are pretty bad at communicating. |
Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
So what guns law would prevent this kind of death? |
Author: | Chus [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
IkeSouth wrote: ok youre officially dumb as a 6ft mexican boarder wall I'm pretty sure the plan calls for a taller wall. |
Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Chus wrote: IkeSouth wrote: ok youre officially dumb as a 6ft mexican boarder wall I'm pretty sure the plan calls for a taller wall. My plan calls for taller ladders. And slingshots. Big. Ass. Slingshots... |
Author: | Chus [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Darkside wrote: Chus wrote: IkeSouth wrote: ok youre officially dumb as a 6ft mexican boarder wall I'm pretty sure the plan calls for a taller wall. My plan calls for taller ladders. And slingshots. Big. Ass. Slingshots... Catapults and cauldrons of hot oil. |
Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Can we use molten lead instead of oil? I just like that better. |
Author: | Chus [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Darkside wrote: Can we use molten lead instead of oil? I just like that better. Anything for you, big guy. Those lead fumes are toxic, however. |
Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Chus wrote: Darkside wrote: Can we use molten lead instead of oil? I just like that better. Anything for you, big guy. Those lead fumes are toxic, however. No problem. I'll hire IMU to boil and pour. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
IkeSouth wrote: here. its simple. other countries have gun laws we dont, Ok, just so we are completely clear here.... You are stating that the United States of America DOES NOT have any gun laws? |
Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Learn english motherfucker. I said the laws that we dont have are why were in this dire situation. Obama has been telling you the same thing. Listen to your black daddy. |
Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
IkeSouth wrote: Learn english motherfucker. I said the laws that we dont have are why were in this dire situation. Obama has been telling you the same thing. Listen to your black daddy. What dire situation are we in? |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
IkeSouth wrote: Learn english motherfucker. I said the laws that we dont have are why were in this dire situation. Obama has been telling you the same thing. Listen to your black daddy. ![]() You can't make this stuff up, folks. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: proof non existant gun laws are keeping us safe |
Hawg Ass wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Learn english motherfucker. I said the laws that we dont have are why were in this dire situation. Obama has been telling you the same thing. Listen to your black daddy. What dire situation are we in? Ike said that we don't have any gun laws. Zero. Zilch. Nada. He was quite clear. |
Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:44 pm ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: IkeSouth wrote: Learn english motherfucker. I said the laws that we dont have are why were in this dire situation. Obama has been telling you the same thing. Listen to your black daddy. What dire situation are we in? Ike said that we don't have any gun laws. Zero. Zilch. Nada. He was quite clear. Got it!! |
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