Jordan was always going to win at least one title. He got six because he had Pippen.

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GMs have more responsibilities than drafting players.

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I knew you were going to say this. It's extremely unpersuasive.

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Which responsibilities were as important?

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He didn't touch him IIRC and soft fouls were never called at the end of games.

Krause FOUND the greatest coach of all time, drafted or acquired 5 all star players, 2 3-point champions, a shit load of quality role players and he built 2 3-Peat teams around Jordan.

He made up for his draft misses. Building championship teams isn't easy. Building one around a guard was unheard of. In Chicago we've seen the Bears and Cubs piss away championship windows because of management failures.

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It's undoubtedly true. We've had this discussion multiple times already and it remains true that the best player in the sport always wins at least one title. It's never not happened. You have no rebuttal to that. Jordan isn't responsible for all 6 rings by himself but only a fool would suggest there's a world where he plays 13 healthy seasons and doesn't win one.

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And he actively destroyed it. Even though I agreed with him that they were done, they should have had the opportunity to defend their DYNASTY. It was unforgivable. Period.

That was addressed in the doc

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He hit him on his elbow. Any time hit someone's elbow its going to effect their shot.

As far as,Krause goes he had a great starting point and its interesting to note that none of those ever amounted to much of anything once they left Jordan. Including Pippen. He played on 2 teams worthy of Championship consideration that he did nothing with after leaving the Bulls.

Jordan was always the guy that made that thing go. Pippen was the best side kick in history and a key cog but none of it happens without Jordan. If you want to know his value to winning then take a look at the Bulls rosters pre Championships.

Those were some of the worst collections of stumble bums ever assembled. No way should they have ever made it to the playoffs let alone the 2nd round.

It didn't take a genius to build around that.

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I witnessed it in real time. There were a ton of naysayers back then. Now it's like oh who couldn't win with him. That wasn't the case back then.

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There is a big difference between building around a star and building around a GOAT. Name a GOAT in sports history that didn't win multiple titles? Not too hard to build around a GOAT.

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Not to mention Pippen wasn't the superstar he is today in retirement.

You're acting as if he built a team around a decorated six time NBA champion in his prime with ten scoring titles, MVPs, etc. He built a team around a 20 something shooting guard who'd never been past the second round until Pippen and Grant started to blossom. Your take is way too revisionist.

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Wilt Chamberlain is one who comes to mind.

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I agree. With time Pippen has grown in stature as well. Now it's like he was 1A. He wasn't. He was decidedly a No.2 guy back then.

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I remember reading the guide to NBA Jam TE in Nintendo Power and for the Bulls (who were Pippen, Kukoc, and Armstrong, iirc) it said something like "due to licensing agreements, you can't be like Mike, but being like Scottie is almost as good!" Maybe we kids all took that to heart.

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I agree. I was pissed that it ended with Mark Bryant defending the Bulls championship.

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Wilt has multiple titles.

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I can name MANY that never won 6 championships. Jordan isn't considered the GOAT if he loses 1.

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He didn't start building around Michael until 1988 when he made the Oakley trade. By then MJ was already a scoring champ and All NBA first team. It wasn't a very tough decision to build around MJ at that point.

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There's people out there who think LeBron is the GOAT. He's lost 6.

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They're mostly kids or people who were getting shoved in lockers during the late 80's or 90's.

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It was funny to see Magic talk about how talented Jordan was. Did he actually mean LeBron?

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It was about the money. And that lies directly at the feet of Reinsdorf. Let's not sugarcoat it. Reinsdorf gives Krumbs a 1 year hiatus, pays everybody, and let's see. Simple.

I don't think 1 mistake wipes out a decade of dominance.

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Are you responding to the wrong post or are you just moving goalposts?

I said name a GOAT in any sport that hasn't won multiple titles? You respond by saying you can think of PLENTY who didn't win 6????????????

Then you say Jordan isn't considered teh GOAT if he loses 1??? Not even gonna respond to that since it's beyond stupid to even say that when responding to my post.

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You created your own criteria as a way of dismissing Krause and Uncle Jerry when the facts weren't working for you. Krause built 2 teams around Jordan that won 6 championships during the free agent era. No other player in any sport can say that.

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It was also funny to see him talking about living a clean life with a glass filled to the brim with whiskey and 3 cigars sitting next to him

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No, no, no, don't crap me now. Reinsdorf was proud of fucking over players financially. He was VERY proud of MJ's 2nd contract. AND he told Michael he, "Mr Reinsdorf" was going to regret those two 1 year contracts he signed towards the end. TOLD the guy who made him richer beyond his dreams that.

Krause deserves a bit of credit for at least no totally fucking up the situation. JR deserves no credit whatsoever. Just a terrible owner for 35 years torturing me.

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