Vic Mackey, motherfuckers !

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Reading the wiki on Law and Order and how the actors came in and out is entertaining in and of itself.

Cant believe the first guy left the show because they didnt focus on him enough. He sucks imo

The whole series focuses very little on the characters, so whoever you are talking about sounds like a big douche. That's what's awesome about the show, IMO. You get a little background on each person (i.e. Briscoe joking about his ex-wives, or his alcoholism), but that stuff generally stays at home, and everyone on the show is just working the case.

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He's talking about George Dzundza. First season, when the show hadn't really found its legs.

I remember A&E did a marathon once where they aired everyone's first and last episodes, and his last episode was just some obvious body double walking out of a car and getting shot right in the first scene of the show. Well, then. Bye!

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Yeah, this was season 1 so I guess he didnt understand, but I dont get how he thought he was going to be the star with so many other actors signed on.

Just saw that one. You could tell they were full of shit when Noth was on the phone with his wife and she said something like "he's outside messing with the car again"

I know the canonical pairing is Orbach/Noth, but Dzundza and especially Sorvino were very underrated. Dzundza has a lot of presence (though he went to the well of Grizzled Middle-Aged Cop cliches a little too often for me), but Sorvino is the hidden gem of those early years. He was born to play an avuncular Italian cop, and it was fun to see them invert the formula and have the young cop be the hardened cynic who doesn't have time for the First Amendment and have the older cop be the broad-minded softie who consoles weeping mothers.

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I skipped the Dzundza ones for the Grizzled Middle aged cliche's you mentioned.

Agree on Sorvino


Funny, everyone loves the Noth/Orbach team but writers got rid of Noth because they couldnt write for the two characters. They were too similar.

They replaced Sorvino's calm approach with a hot head like Orbach

Noth sorvino was the best, never watched the spinoffs, look like they suck, don't like McCoy's. Replacement. N I don't watch. Hillbilly Fred was. Ridiculous ..no chance some hayseed becomes states Atty in NYC.

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Yeah, Orbach and Noth individually were the best actors to play the cop roles, but they were basically the same guy separated by 20 years. As enjoyable as they were together, Sorvino created a much more interesting dynamic.

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Oh man....powerful episode last night

They found the bones of a kid who went missing 31 years earlier.

They were hot on the lead for two men who lived together (gay = pedophile to some) but it turned out to be the well respected family man.

Looked like Walt Disney...and just as evil

The Orbach episodes are awesome if only for the droll one liner he delivers in almost every opening scene before they cue the L&O music.

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Yeah, and David Caruso completely ripped that off.


Looking forward to the one where Orbach plays a defense lawyer before he was cast as Briscoe

Andre Braugher was great on that show. I wasn't a fan of the last season, but the first three were really good tv, for sure..

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I don't find your thinking about The Wire persuasive. It sounds like you are saying that The Wire can't be compared to Law & Order because it was more ambitious, more intelligent, and contained more ideas. All that is true, but the fact is that the show conveyed all of this through the genre of the police/crime drama. It is a great show in part because it revealed new possibilities for what had become an exhausted category.

The same can be said of the great noir writers like Hammett and Chandler. They reinvented detective fiction--and in so doing said things about monopoly capitalism, the emerging service economy, changing gender roles, etc. that had never been fully articulated before--but they are still classified as "crime" writers.

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Im going to purchase the Wire on Blu Ray without ever having seen even a minute of one episode.

You won't regret your purchase. It took me like two episodes before I was completely hooked on this show. Be prepared for the introduction of Omar, arguably the greatest tv character ever created.

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Its 17 dollars for one season.

Its 180 for the full series

There are only 5 seasons.

Something is off there....

You probably get comentary and a bunch of shit you don't need.

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Oh yeah, let me pay 80 dollars to hear the director talk about how the show ALMOST DIDNT EVEN GET MADE or some bullshit that doesnt matter

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Compelling and Rich

Has anyone ever watched a film with director's commentary?

That might be the worst thing ever

It really is. And I hate that they make it a point to include it as a bonus feature in the commercials.

It always makes me wonder "Can I get it for cheaper if you take all that dumb shit out?"

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Yeah, I actually like director interviews and movies. Just not concurrently.

My favorite character storyline is that Kincaid and McCoy were dating (or at the least fucking). It is only very subtly alluded to in the show.
The lack of focus on characters' life history is the best. How else would we have gotten the line, "Is this because I'm a lesbian?"

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That was a very weird exit.

McCoy is a prick. Makes me root for villians.

I like him. My wife and I used to have a phrase for when the defendant took the stand, they were going to get McCoyed because he brought the pain.

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He's compelling, im just not on his side.

I love to hate him kind of thing

Yeah, that was bizarre. After I saw that episode where that chick left that show I was like, "Whaaaa?"

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