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Loved the use of Freddy Rumsen. Megan is leaving Don soon.

I'm sure Don will be back at SC&p very soon. This show isn't good at clean breaks in the work world, with almost everyone trickling back over to SCDP, or Peggy dramatically leaving for CGC only for SCDP to merge with CGC and bring her back into the fold. The only characters of significance to leave and never come back were Paul and Sal, and even Paul got a cameo down the road. (The Office was the same way, to its detriment.) I found it interesting how much the new head of creative reminded me of Henry Francis: sacrificing the fire and passion that led to highs and lows for the kind of steadiness that people need. Don's been replaced as Actual Dad and Work Dad by the same kind of amiable whitebread dope. Of course, mere steadiness won't pass muster if you're the creative director at an ad agency, and soon they'll need all the headaches Don Draper brings along, hence Peggy breaking down in tears in large part over the new acceptance of mediocrity at her job.

Even when Pete seems happy, he radiates a sense of despair. I don't think he really thinks he's happy.


Really good stuff, didn't even think of that. The guy was actually dressed like Mr. Rogers complete with Carolina Blue cardigan in the first Accutron meeting.

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I actually think Pete is happy.

Saw this blurb regarding the howling outside Megan's house, in conjunction with her wearing Sharon Tate's t-shirt last year -

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And speaking of ominous foreshadowing, here’s Megan, discussing the coyotes which sound like they’re right outside her door but aren’t :”It’s just what happens to the sound in the canyons.”

And here’s the opening lines from the first chapter of Helter Skelter, the book about the Manson Family murders, including Sharon Tate’s:

“It was so quiet, one of the killers would later say, you could almost hear the sound of ice rattling in cocktail shakers in the homes way down the canyon.

The canyons above Hollywood and Beverly hills play tricks with sounds. A noise clearly audible a mile away may be indistinguishable at a few hundred feet.”

God, we almost hated pointing that out. We still maintain, as we did in the face of all that Tate hysteria of last season, that Weiner’s not that literal in his foreshadowing, but even we were shocked at how clearly he’s making a direct reference here to her murder.

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I don't see Weiner having Megan get murdered. I just think that would throw Don so far off on some other storytelling path that I just don't see how it could work. I see the focus coming back to Don and his career in NY as Megan drifts away.

However, there has to be some meaning to that howling and how last year every time that Megan was home you'd hear sirens in the background. I don't know what it is but it has to payoff in some way. It's too often/specific.

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I don't think any of us expected him to say that.

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Great episode last night. With the possible exception of Lou, Cutler is the most unlikable asshole on this show & there is no way that he & Joan will be successful in trying to oust Don, especially now that Roger has taken over the agency.

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Cutler is poorly written. He consistently has the hokiest lines this side of Elliot Rodger. I don't know if it's all the lines or if part of it is Hamlin's delivery, which has the same inflections every single time, but he's never felt fully developed as a character. He went from being a weirdo who took speed and watched little girls have sex to this sinister power broker who is singularly obsessed with getting rid of Don Draper. It's worse than the rewrite of Ted Chaough, who went from insecure and obsessed with Don Draper (there it is again) to this sensitive modern man who respects all his co-workers.

I don't think Joan will ever fully forgive Don, but she'll give up on trying to get him out now that she got her million dollars. Everyone on the internet lauds Joan as if she can do no wrong, but she's just as flawed as everyone else on the show. The IPO that Don "cost" her, for which she has never forgiven him, was kind of bullshit because it was all being done behind Don and Roger's backs and wasn't far from guaranteed anyway. Don tried to stop her from sleeping with the Jaguar guy because he's always been the only one at the agency to see her as a human being.

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I have watched this season's final episode 3 times and it might just be the most satisfying episode of all. Just glorious.

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I have watched this season's final episode 3 times and it might just be the most satisfying episode of all. Just glorious.


The Suitcase is still the best episode of the series that I've seen. I put this one and The Strategy from last week as 1a and 1b. They've taken a season that was a bit snoozy and really finished it off.

The Strategy could have had 2 or 3 scenes that would have been satisfying series finales. It's unfortunate that they split this season up because, now, just as it has some momentum, it's over. I can't wait to watch it end next year but it just has lost the interest of the public IMO.

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I have watched this season's final episode 3 times and it might just be the most satisfying episode of all. Just glorious.


The Suitcase is still the best episode of the series that I've seen. I put this one and The Strategy from last week as 1a and 1b. They've taken a season that was a bit snoozy and really finished it off.

The Strategy could have had 2 or 3 scenes that would have been satisfying series finales. It's unfortunate that they split this season up because, now, just as it has some momentum, it's over. I can't wait to watch it end next year but it just has lost the interest of the public IMO.


AMC split the season because it was so successful for Breaking Bad. But this is a different kind of a show. It builds slow and burns slow. I suspect a lot of people may be disappointed with the ultimate resolution of Don Draper. A recurring theme throughout has been "the carousel". Unlike The Sopranos where Tony was killed, Mad Men may really just go on and on and on.

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Good point. There's a real lack of finality in this show vis-a-vis Sopranos and Breaking Bad: no one gets whacked. It's frowned upon here. It's hard to see the show ending with Don dying. Maybe just reinventing.

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I have watched this season's final episode 3 times and it might just be the most satisfying episode of all. Just glorious.


The Suitcase is still the best episode of the series that I've seen. I put this one and The Strategy from last week as 1a and 1b. They've taken a season that was a bit snoozy and really finished it off.

The Strategy could have had 2 or 3 scenes that would have been satisfying series finales. It's unfortunate that they split this season up because, now, just as it has some momentum, it's over. I can't wait to watch it end next year but it just has lost the interest of the public IMO.


AMC split the season because it was so successful for Breaking Bad. But this is a different kind of a show. It builds slow and burns slow. I suspect a lot of people may be disappointed with the ultimate resolution of Don Draper. A recurring theme throughout has been "the carousel". Unlike The Sopranos where Tony was killed, Mad Men may really just go on and on and on.


Agreed. Mad Men has lost some viewers & splitting the final season into 2 seasons kills the momentum & some viewers may not return for the 2nd half next year.
I hope Don continues his progress & ends up in a good place in the finale.
Roger Sterling might just be my favorite TV character of all time.

Useless fact: Roger Sterlings ex-Wife on Mad Men, Mona, is actually his Wife in real life.

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Roger Sterling might just be my favorite TV character of all time.

Before people kinda figured out what the show was all about (viz., all these people, especially the lead, are reprehensible), there was this buzz about how everyone wanted to be Don Draper. The guy you'd really want to be is Roger. Get all the best jokes, drop acid, hang out in your office doing nothing, always have huge wads of money. That's livin'.

All that said, it was nice to see him turn over a new leaf and be the leader Bertram said he'd never be. It just hit me right here, man.

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Roger Sterling might just be my favorite TV character of all time.

Before people kinda figured out what the show was all about (viz., all these people, especially the lead, are reprehensible), there was this buzz about how everyone wanted to be Don Draper. The guy you'd really want to be is Roger. Get all the best jokes, drop acid, hang out in your office doing nothing, always have huge wads of money. That's livin'.

All that said, it was nice to see him turn over a new leaf and be the leader Bertram said he'd never be. It just hit me right here, man.


I consider myself to be a Roger Sterling type of guy. My partner is very much like Don Draper if Draper drank a little more. The kid can run a pitch like a motherfucker. I pretty much let him run our whole business while I fuck around at the OTB. One time my wife asked me what value I provide and I used a Roger Sterling line: "I find guys like him!"

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What an absolutely boring piece of shit this was...

CAN'T DO IT!!!

To say episode one didn't grab me would be an understatement. Maybe got through 20 mins...

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What an absolutely boring piece of shit this was...

CAN'T DO IT!!!

To say episode one didn't grab me would be an understatement. Maybe got through 20 mins...


MTV Generation.

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
What an absolutely boring piece of shit this was...

CAN'T DO IT!!!

To say episode one didn't grab me would be an understatement. Maybe got through 20 mins...


MTV Generation.



...or just an overrated show. Either way.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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What an absolutely boring piece of shit this was...

CAN'T DO IT!!!

To say episode one didn't grab me would be an understatement. Maybe got through 20 mins...


MTV Generation.


Maybe he'd like it if they had cast Topanga as Peggy Olson.

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The Mad Men final season begins Sunday evening. The end of one of the greatest shows in the history of television.
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The Mad Men commercial is calling this the greatest television drama of all time. This isn't even the best AMC drama ever.


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The Mad Men commercial is calling this the greatest television drama of all time. This isn't even the best AMC drama ever.


Mad Men is Faulkner and Breaking Bad is Stephen King.

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The Mad Men commercial is calling this the greatest television drama of all time. This isn't even the best AMC drama ever.


Mad Men is Faulkner and Breaking Bad is Shakespeare.

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The Mad Men commercial is calling this the greatest television drama of all time. This isn't even the best AMC drama ever.


Mad Men is Faulkner and Breaking Bad is Shakespeare.

Sure, if Shakespeare has legions of fans because of its fuckin' badasses all blowin' shit up an' shit.

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The Mad Men commercial is calling this the greatest television drama of all time. This isn't even the best AMC drama ever.


Mad Men is Faulkner and Breaking Bad is Shakespeare.

Sure, if Shakespeare has legions of fans because of its fuckin' badasses all blowin' shit up an' shit.


If they had the weapons in his time, then exactly.

Otherwise, come up with a better argument.

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Okay. Breaking Bad is a very good show, one of the best, with beautiful cinematography and great character development. However, Mad Men matches it in writing and beauty but does so with precision and refinement in a way that avoids our baser impulses the way a show about a drug lord simply cannot.

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Okay. Breaking Bad is a very good show, one of the best, with beautiful cinematography and great character development. However, Mad Men matches it in writing and beauty but does so with precision and refinement in a way that avoids our baser impulses the way a show about a drug lord simply cannot.


I like that one better :D

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Okay. Breaking Bad is a very good show, one of the best, with beautiful cinematography and great character development. However, Mad Men matches it in writing and beauty but does so with precision and refinement in a way that avoids our baser impulses the way a show about a drug lord simply cannot.


Like I said, Faulkner to King.

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i've only seen about the first season of "mad men" so far but i agree its depth is almost unmatched on television. except for "rectify" and "in the flesh", it's one of the most thoroughly satisfying shows on the air. "better call saul" is creeping into the conversation too.


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