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Not sure, but she went to that concert with Molly Lambert, which seems like committing hard to something in and of itself.

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Ok, yes, Simmons is a knucklehead. But I love his crusade against Goodell. Nice to have a high profile guy who works for a media conglomerate attached to the NFL nipple go hard.


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Simmons and Don Van Natta Jr podcast discussing Roger Goodell and Ray Rice. Excellent podcast. Not sure how Goodell can't be seen as one of the worst commissioners of all time.


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Nice to enjoy a Barnwell column for a change, since he's one of the few on ESPN who actually blames McCarthy for the Packers' debacle more than Burnett and Bostic.


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Nice to enjoy a Barnwell column for a change, since he's one of the few on ESPN who actually blames McCarthy for the Packers' debacle more than Burnett and Bostic.

There is plenty of blame for all on that team, the quarterback himself didn't have the best game either.

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Nice to enjoy a Barnwell column for a change, since he's one of the few on ESPN who actually blames McCarthy for the Packers' debacle more than Burnett and Bostic.

There is plenty of blame for all on that team, the quarterback himself didn't have the best game either.



I questioned McCarthy not going for it early in the game.

But the game played itself out in a way that vindicated his moves.

If Bostick does his job, Jordy gets the kick.

If Clinton Dix knocks down the floater, the packers still win.

He put his players in a position to win with an excellent game plan on both sides of the ball. If either player makes a play, game over.

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Seacrest wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
Nice to enjoy a Barnwell column for a change, since he's one of the few on ESPN who actually blames McCarthy for the Packers' debacle more than Burnett and Bostic.

There is plenty of blame for all on that team, the quarterback himself didn't have the best game either.



I questioned McCarthy not going for it early in the game.

But the game played itself out in a way that vindicated his moves.

If Bostick does his job, Jordy gets the kick.

If Clinton Dix knocks down the floater, the packers still win.

He put his players in a position to win with an excellent game plan on both sides of the ball. If either player makes a play, game over.

I don't disagree with that, and you should here the people up here that want him fired, it is pathetic.

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That Grantland article Zeph mentioned places the lion's share of blame on McCarthy


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Seacrest wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
Nice to enjoy a Barnwell column for a change, since he's one of the few on ESPN who actually blames McCarthy for the Packers' debacle more than Burnett and Bostic.

There is plenty of blame for all on that team, the quarterback himself didn't have the best game either.



I questioned McCarthy not going for it early in the game.

But the game played itself out in a way that vindicated his moves.

If Bostick does his job, Jordy gets the kick.

If Clinton Dix knocks down the floater, the packers still win.

He put his players in a position to win with an excellent game plan on both sides of the ball. If either player makes a play, game over.

That doesn't vindicate one's moves any more than shoving all-in with a 7-2 pre-flop and hitting a card on the river to win a pot would vindicate a poker move. Errors in execution like the ones you mentioned above wouldn't have attained the significance they did if McCarthy hadn't played so conservatively in the first place. Or as Scott Lemieux put it:
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There’s a superficially more persuasive argument made by McCarthy apologists, namely that despite his horrible decisions Seattle had to have a large number of things go right to win the game at the end, and hey the odds of recovering an expected onside kick are a lot better than scoring on 4th-and-goal from the 1. And, yes, after the Burnett interception Seattle’s win expectancy was south of 5% and a lot of things had to go right for them to win. But the logical fallacy here should be obvious: it treats your good breaks as inevitable and knowable, while the other team’s good breaks are contingent and lucky. McCarthy had no way of knowing at the time he screwed up the game that a QB long established as above-average would spend 3 1/2 quarters playing like Ryan Lindley’s less talented younger brother. Nobody has ever confused Jermaine Kearse with Jerry Rice, but I don’t think expecting to get picks on 80% of his targets — two resulting from deflections directly into the hands of Green Bay defenders — is realistic. If all of this stuff had to happen for McCarthy’s decisions to be sound, then they were dumb. The fact that coaches win all the time despite of making bad tactical decisions doesn’t make them less bad. And, sometimes, those marginal decisions just do make the difference.


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I just saw 2 shots of the All 22 on the Burnett interception and the fact that he went down may be the dumbest thing that happened all day. Holy shit did he have a touchdown.

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I just saw 2 shots of the All 22 on the Burnett interception and the fact that he went down may be the dumbest thing that happened all day. Holy shit did he have a touchdown.

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I just saw 2 shots of the All 22 on the Burnett interception and the fact that he went down may be the dumbest thing that happened all day. Holy shit did he have a touchdown.

link?

It was on my twitter page and I don't how to get it here. :oops:


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Hawg Ass wrote:
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I just saw 2 shots of the All 22 on the Burnett interception and the fact that he went down may be the dumbest thing that happened all day. Holy shit did he have a touchdown.

link?

It was on my twitter page and I don't how to get it here. :oops:


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That was the one that shows no one was going to catch him from behind and the other one shows just how open the field was in front of him.

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That was the one that shows no one was going to catch him from behind and the other one shows just how open the field was in front of him.

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That was the one that shows no one was going to catch him from behind and the other one shows just how open the field was in front of him.


Some guy on with B&B claimed that Julius Peppers told him to hit the deck according to Burnett.

Bears revenge.

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That was the one that shows no one was going to catch him from behind and the other one shows just how open the field was in front of him.


Some guy on with B&B claimed that Julius Peppers told him to hit the deck according to Burnett.

Bears revenge.

Factual, he gave him the shut it down sign. :evil:

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ZephMarshack wrote:
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ZephMarshack wrote:
Nice to enjoy a Barnwell column for a change, since he's one of the few on ESPN who actually blames McCarthy for the Packers' debacle more than Burnett and Bostic.

There is plenty of blame for all on that team, the quarterback himself didn't have the best game either.



I questioned McCarthy not going for it early in the game.

But the game played itself out in a way that vindicated his moves.

If Bostick does his job, Jordy gets the kick.

If Clinton Dix knocks down the floater, the packers still win.

He put his players in a position to win with an excellent game plan on both sides of the ball. If either player makes a play, game over.

That doesn't vindicate one's moves any more than shoving all-in with a 7-2 pre-flop and hitting a card on the river to win a pot would vindicate a poker move. Errors in execution like the ones you mentioned above wouldn't have attained the significance they did if McCarthy hadn't played so conservatively in the first place. Or as Scott Lemieux put it:
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There’s a superficially more persuasive argument made by McCarthy apologists, namely that despite his horrible decisions Seattle had to have a large number of things go right to win the game at the end, and hey the odds of recovering an expected onside kick are a lot better than scoring on 4th-and-goal from the 1. And, yes, after the Burnett interception Seattle’s win expectancy was south of 5% and a lot of things had to go right for them to win. But the logical fallacy here should be obvious: it treats your good breaks as inevitable and knowable, while the other team’s good breaks are contingent and lucky. McCarthy had no way of knowing at the time he screwed up the game that a QB long established as above-average would spend 3 1/2 quarters playing like Ryan Lindley’s less talented younger brother. Nobody has ever confused Jermaine Kearse with Jerry Rice, but I don’t think expecting to get picks on 80% of his targets — two resulting from deflections directly into the hands of Green Bay defenders — is realistic. If all of this stuff had to happen for McCarthy’s decisions to be sound, then they were dumb. The fact that coaches win all the time despite of making bad tactical decisions doesn’t make them less bad. And, sometimes, those marginal decisions just do make the difference.



Players making plays is what they are hired to do.

They aren't put on a field to look for "good breaks."

Aaron Rodgers uncharacteristically tossed away 6 points with two bad interceptions.

Bostick missed an onside kick that he wasn't supposed to even try and catch.

Clinton-Dix didn't knock down a pass he should have.

On a day when he had a one legged QB, Mcarthy designed a game plan that should have won the game if executed.

That's a fact, not a logical fallacy.

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Agreed Seacrest, and you forgot a damn guy intercepting the damn ball and falling down with 5 damn minutes to go in a game.

Son of a Bitch, that game sucked!!!!

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Agreed Seacrest, and you forgot a damn guy intercepting the damn ball and falling down with 5 damn minutes to go in a game.

Son of a Bitch, that game sucked!!!!


Julius was gonna get you sooner or later.

He just got you at one of the worst possible times.

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Agreed Seacrest, and you forgot a damn guy intercepting the damn ball and falling down with 5 damn minutes to go in a game.

Son of a Bitch, that game sucked!!!!


Julius was gonna get you sooner or later.

He just got you at one of the worst possible times.

Honestly, he was way better than I ever thought he would be.

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Agreed Seacrest, and you forgot a damn guy intercepting the damn ball and falling down with 5 damn minutes to go in a game.

Son of a Bitch, that game sucked!!!!


Julius was gonna get you sooner or later.

He just got you at one of the worst possible times.

Honestly, he was way better than I ever thought he would be.



Agreed.

Prick picked up his check with a gun and a mask his last year and a half here.

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Agreed Seacrest, and you forgot a damn guy intercepting the damn ball and falling down with 5 damn minutes to go in a game.

Son of a Bitch, that game sucked!!!!


Julius was gonna get you sooner or later.

He just got you at one of the worst possible times.

Honestly, he was way better than I ever thought he would be.



Agreed.

Prick picked up his check with a gun and a mask his last year and a half here.

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Players making plays is what they are hired to do.

They aren't put on a field to look for "good breaks."

Aaron Rodgers uncharacteristically tossed away 6 points with two bad interceptions.

Bostick missed an onside kick that he wasn't supposed to even try and catch.

Clinton-Dix didn't knock down a pass he should have.

On a day when he had a one legged QB, Mcarthy designed a game plan that should have won the game if executed.

That's a fact, not a logical fallacy.

Coaches deploying proper strategies are what they're hired to do as well. They aren't on the sidelines to merely take the points but to actually win games. On a day when his team completed dominated Seattle for 3 1/2 quarters, McCarthy called a game where he repeatedly left points on the field, took the ball out of the best QB in the game's hand because he wanted to hit an arbitrary rushing attempt number of 20, and ultimately allowed late execution errors to give Seattle a chance to win.


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ZephMarshack wrote:
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Players making plays is what they are hired to do.

They aren't put on a field to look for "good breaks."

Aaron Rodgers uncharacteristically tossed away 6 points with two bad interceptions.

Bostick missed an onside kick that he wasn't supposed to even try and catch.

Clinton-Dix didn't knock down a pass he should have.

On a day when he had a one legged QB, Mcarthy designed a game plan that should have won the game if executed.

That's a fact, not a logical fallacy.

Coaches deploying proper strategies are what they're hired to do as well. They aren't on the sidelines to merely take the points but to actually win games. On a day when his team completed dominated Seattle for 3 1/2 quarters, McCarthy called a game where he repeatedly left points on the field, took the ball out of the best QB in the game's hand because he wanted to hit an arbitrary rushing attempt number of 20, and ultimately allowed late execution errors to give Seattle a chance to win.

Do we know why his quarterback did not check out of those plays? He seems to be able to at any other point and time.

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Is it possible McCarthy's play not to lose strategy found its way down to Peppers and Burnett on the INT?


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Is it possible McCarthy's play not to lose strategy found its way down to Peppers and Burnett on the INT?

Very well could be but I am not sure I believe the play not to lose strategy.

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ZephMarshack wrote:
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Players making plays is what they are hired to do.

They aren't put on a field to look for "good breaks."

Aaron Rodgers uncharacteristically tossed away 6 points with two bad interceptions.

Bostick missed an onside kick that he wasn't supposed to even try and catch.

Clinton-Dix didn't knock down a pass he should have.

On a day when he had a one legged QB, Mcarthy designed a game plan that should have won the game if executed.

That's a fact, not a logical fallacy.

Coaches deploying proper strategies are what they're hired to do as well. They aren't on the sidelines to merely take the points but to actually win games. On a day when his team completed dominated Seattle for 3 1/2 quarters, McCarthy called a game where he repeatedly left points on the field, took the ball out of the best QB in the game's hand because he wanted to hit an arbitrary rushing attempt number of 20, and ultimately allowed late execution errors to give Seattle a chance to win.

Do we know why his quarterback did not check out of those plays? He seems to be able to at any other point and time.



He didn't hit 20 rushes in the 2nd half...so there goes that theory of yours.

He said he wanted to hit 20 rushes in the 2nd half, they didn't...but were 14 carries for 72 yds, so once again, with a 5.0 yd per carry number to point at, his tactics are born out as wise, again.

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