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The stories he told in his lyrics weren't repackaged to get the listener to believe he did these things. He was letting the people in the black communities know that he felt their pain and shared their anger. Most of the time he was rapping about how those things would lead to death or prison. In my opinion his ultimate goal was to empower and educate the black youth. That's what I get from his lyrics.


From his lyrics, generally yes. From much of the rest of his life (& public promotion), you got an entirely different perception. In the beginning, he was always talking about a more noble goal & to an extent it seemed genuine. Once his appetites, the Bishop Magic Don Juan, the Playas Ball & Suge were his whole world, it seemed a bit more contrived.

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The stories he told in his lyrics weren't repackaged to get the listener to believe he did these things. He was letting the people in the black communities know that he felt their pain and shared their anger. Most of the time he was rapping about how those things would lead to death or prison. In my opinion his ultimate goal was to empower and educate the black youth. That's what I get from his lyrics.


From his lyrics, generally yes. From much of the rest of his life (& public promotion), you got an entirely different perception. In the beginning, he was always talking about a more noble goal & to an extent it seemed genuine. Once his appetites, the Bishop Magic Don Juan, the Playas Ball & Suge were his whole world, it seemed a bit more contrived.
I'd still be scared to be in the same room with Tupac, or are we talking about Stuart Scott still? Either way, I don't want to be around dead bodies.

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I'd still be scared to be in the same room with Tupac, or are we talking about Stuart Scott still? Either way, I don't want to be around dead bodies.


Throw in Elvis, "Bear Tradition" & Jimmy V and we'll generally be in agreement.

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The stories he told in his lyrics weren't repackaged to get the listener to believe he did these things. He was letting the people in the black communities know that he felt their pain and shared their anger. Most of the time he was rapping about how those things would lead to death or prison. In my opinion his ultimate goal was to empower and educate the black youth. That's what I get from his

if you listen to the song "bomb first" he is talking about how he has money hoes sex and weed. In hit em up he is lying about having sex with Biggie Smalls wife . You called it simply a diss track. A lot of people believed that stuff to be true. He had Thug Life tattooed on his chest. And you think he wasn't trying to get people to believed that stuff?



From his lyrics, generally yes. From much of the rest of his life (& public promotion), you got an entirely different perception. In the beginning, he was always talking about a more noble goal & to an extent it seemed genuine. Once his appetites, the Bishop Magic Don Juan, the Playas Ball & Suge were his whole world, it seemed a bit more contrived.



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The stories he told in his lyrics weren't repackaged to get the listener to believe he did these things. He was letting the people in the black communities know that he felt their pain and shared their anger. Most of the time he was rapping about how those things would lead to death or prison. In my opinion his ultimate goal was to empower and educate the black youth. That's what I get from his lyrics.


From his lyrics, generally yes. From much of the rest of his life (& public promotion), you got an entirely different perception. In the beginning, he was always talking about a more noble goal & to an extent it seemed genuine. Once his appetites, the Bishop Magic Don Juan, the Playas Ball & Suge were his whole world, it seemed a bit more contrived.


No doubt he was losing control at the end and allowing Suge and others to influence him to be erratic to sell more records. That was his public persona though. I look at it like a fighter saying and doing things to sell a fight. The only difference is Suge was pulling the strings. Whatever juice Suge had made even the genuinely hard dudes afraid. IMO Pac's lyrics were still fairly consistent to the end.

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Who cares? Hand-wringing about "authenticity" in any genre of music is a fool's errand. Judge him on the work.

I hate to play the cultural card but it is obvious that you aren't familiar with Rap genre. The term studio gangster was created as a way of ridiculing guys that pretended to be gangsters while they made rap music. When you ask who cares about authenticity? Obviously a number of Rappers and rap magazines because that became a running joke during the 90's


How do you know that he isn't black? You don't need to be black to understand the origins of gangster rap or rap in general.


you have a hard time with context. I said culture not race. He can be black and not understand culture. He asked a question about authenticity and I answered it. You're a guy that constantly makes stuff up. The term studio gangster was invented for people like Tupac. He had Thug Life tattooed on his chest and you keep talking about how he didn't want people to believe that stuff. Then what did he want them to believe?

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For the final time I said he never said he sold drugs or shot people. He didn't. The image people want to portray to improve record sales has nothing to do with the actual words they use.

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The stories he told in his lyrics weren't repackaged to get the listener to believe he did these things. He was letting the people in the black communities know that he felt their pain and shared their anger. Most of the time he was rapping about how those things would lead to death or prison. In my opinion his ultimate goal was to empower and educate the black youth. That's what I get from his lyrics.


From his lyrics, generally yes. From much of the rest of his life (& public promotion), you got an entirely different perception. In the beginning, he was always talking about a more noble goal & to an extent it seemed genuine. Once his appetites, the Bishop Magic Don Juan, the Playas Ball & Suge were his whole world, it seemed a bit more contrived.


No doubt he was losing control at the end and allowing Suge and others to influence him to be erratic to sell more records. That was his public persona though. I look at it like a fighter saying and doing things to sell a fight. The only difference is Suge was pulling the strings. Whatever juice Suge had made even the genuinely hard dudes afraid. IMO Pac's lyrics were still

. It seemed to me that he began to believe the hype. If you look at night he was killed you kind of really see the real Tupac on the tape.

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I think Scarface actually did or would do many of the things that he rapped about. He had a similar message to the one 2pac had but Pac was able to sell it better.

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For the final time I said he never said he sold drugs or shot people. He didn't. The image people want to portray to improve record sales has nothing to do with the actual words they use.


I never said drugs either. Reading comprehension is tough. I mentioned being a Thug and gangster lifestyle. I never mentioned that he attempted to make people believe he was a drug dealer

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I think Scarface actually did or would do many of the things that he rapped about. He had a similar message to the one 2pac had but Pac was able to sell it better.



The whole Thug Life persona began after he got with Death Row. He had a rap career before death row. He couldn't get any real traction. He had fame but he didn't really have any money they were essentially using each other. My problem with him as I'd stated previously was that with him it didn't seem real to me. Gangster Rap was hot at the time. Dre was the top producer at the time. He was that well before 2Pac. He was talking about being a Thug and it just never seemed that it was real.

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For the final time I said he never said he sold drugs or shot people. He didn't. The image people want to portray to improve record sales has nothing to do with the actual words they use.


I never said drugs either. Reading comprehension is tough. I mentioned being a Thug and gangster lifestyle. I never mentioned that he attempted to make people believe he was a drug dealer


So what's your point then? I started off by saying that he wasn't lying about actually shooting people or selling drugs in his lyrics and you agree with me. You could have saved a couple of pages.

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I think Scarface actually did or would do many of the things that he rapped about. He had a similar message to the one 2pac had but Pac was able to sell it better.



The whole Thug Life persona began after he got with Death Row. He had a rap career before death row. He couldn't get any real traction. He had fame but he didn't really have any money they were essentially using each other. My problem with him as I'd stated previously was that with him it didn't seem real to me. Gangster Rap was hot at the time. Dre was the top producer at the time. He was that well before 2Pac. He was talking about being a Thug and it just never seemed that it was real.


So 2pac wasn't popular until he made All Eyez on Me? That's news to me.

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He wanted to make people believe that he was a street guy. He wasn't. You keep saying that he didn't attempt to do this. Then why was Thug Life tattooed on his chest? I notice that you keep evading that. There is more to Thug Life than selling drugs. If you look at the tape of he Suge and the other guys stomping the guy in the Vegas Casino that is an example of what "Thug Life" is. Drugs were not involved in that. I never believed him to be street. His persona changed over time and did attempt to glorify that lifestyle. Look at some of his interviews and you will understand what I am talking about.

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I think Scarface actually did or would do many of the things that he rapped about. He had a similar message to the one 2pac had but Pac was able to sell it better.



The whole Thug Life persona began after he got with Death Row. He had a rap career before death row. He couldn't get any real traction. He had fame but he didn't really have any money they were essentially using each other. My problem with him as I'd stated previously was that with him it didn't seem real to me. Gangster Rap was hot at the time. Dre was the top producer at the time. He was that well before 2Pac. He was talking about being a Thug and it just never seemed that it was real.


So 2pac wasn't popular until he made All Eyez on Me? That's news to me.

This is a tough sell because you don't have a lot of information. I just said he had fame but not money. The guy was broke when got out of prison.

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I think Scarface actually did or would do many of the things that he rapped about. He had a similar message to the one 2pac had but Pac was able to sell it better.



The whole Thug Life persona began after he got with Death Row. He had a rap career before death row. He couldn't get any real traction. He had fame but he didn't really have any money they were essentially using each other. My problem with him as I'd stated previously was that with him it didn't seem real to me. Gangster Rap was hot at the time. Dre was the top producer at the time. He was that well before 2Pac. He was talking about being a Thug and it just never seemed that it was real.


So 2pac wasn't popular until he made All Eyez on Me? That's news to me.

This is a tough sell because you don't have a lot of information. I just said he had fame but not money. The guy was broke when got out of prison.


You said he couldn't get any traction. Arguably his best album was the one that was released before he signed with Death Row.

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He wanted to make people believe that he was a street guy. He wasn't. You keep saying that he didn't attempt to do this. Then why was Thug Life tattooed on his chest? I notice that you keep evading that. There is more to Thug Life than selling drugs. If you look at the tape of he Suge and the other guys stomping the guy in the Vegas Casino that is an example of what "Thug Life" is. Drugs were not involved in that. I never believed him to be street. His persona changed over time and did attempt to glorify that lifestyle. Look at some of his interviews and you will understand what I am talking about.


Are you serious? Are you actually reading my posts? Are you actually reading my responses to your posts?

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The term studio gangster was invented for people like Tupac.


IIRC, Eazy E first put that one on Dr. Dre. :lol:

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He wanted to make people believe that he was a street guy. He wasn't. You keep saying that he didn't attempt to do this. Then why was Thug Life tattooed on his chest? I notice that you keep evading that. There is more to Thug Life than selling drugs. If you look at the tape of he Suge and the other guys stomping the guy in the Vegas Casino that is an example of what "Thug Life" is. Drugs were not involved in that. I never believed him to be street. His persona changed over time and did attempt to glorify that lifestyle. Look at some of his interviews and you will understand what I am talking about.


Are you serious? Are you actually reading my posts? Are you actually reading my responses to your posts?

Why was Thug Life tattooed to his chest if he wasn't trying to glorify the life? It still hasn't been answered. Why would he have that tattoo if he didn't want people to believe he lived the lifestyle?

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He wanted to make people believe that he was a street guy. He wasn't. You keep saying that he didn't attempt to do this. Then why was Thug Life tattooed on his chest? I notice that you keep evading that. There is more to Thug Life than selling drugs. If you look at the tape of he Suge and the other guys stomping the guy in the Vegas Casino that is an example of what "Thug Life" is. Drugs were not involved in that. I never believed him to be street. His persona changed over time and did attempt to glorify that lifestyle. Look at some of his interviews and you will understand what I am talking about.


Are you serious? Are you actually reading my posts? Are you actually reading my responses to your posts?

Why was Thug Life tattooed to his chest if he wasn't trying to glorify the life? It still hasn't been answered. Why would he have that tattoo if he didn't want people to believe he lived the lifestyle?


The answer can be found on page 4. You quoted both posts. One was a response from me to RR and the other was a response to your post.

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The term studio gangster was invented for people like Tupac.


IIRC, Eazy E first put that one on Dr. Dre. :lol:


And Easy E. would know. There were a number of them around that time. Most of them hailed from the West Coast. It wasn't created for Tupac but he definitely benefitted from being one.

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The term studio gangster was invented for people like Tupac.


IIRC, Eazy E first put that one on Dr. Dre. :lol:


And Easy E. would know. There were a number of them around that time. Most of them hailed from the West Coast. It wasn't created for Tupac but he definitely benefitted from being one.


Beyond Scarface and the Geto Boys just about everyone was a studio gangster. Some may have sold drugs on held a gun once or twice but they weren't tough guys. Pretty much anyone over 25 knows this. IIRC Suge hung Eazy over a balcony to get him to sign some contract. Suge was the guy with juice.

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He wanted to make people believe that he was a street guy. He wasn't. You keep saying that he didn't attempt to do this. Then why was Thug Life tattooed on his chest? I notice that you keep evading that. There is more to Thug Life than selling drugs. If you look at the tape of he Suge and the other guys stomping the guy in the Vegas Casino that is an example of what "Thug Life" is. Drugs were not involved in that. I never believed him to be street. His persona changed over time and did attempt to glorify that lifestyle. Look at some of his interviews and you will understand what I am talking about.


Are you serious? Are you actually reading my posts? Are you actually reading my responses to your posts?

Why was Thug Life tattooed to his chest if he wasn't trying to glorify the life? It still hasn't been answered. Why would he have that tattoo if he didn't want people to believe he lived the lifestyle?


The answer can be found on page 4. You quoted both posts. One was a response from me to RR and the other was a response to your post.


I don't see anything specifically addressing the tattoo but if you're talking about public persona I will infer that to be what you're talking about. His persona was not authentic. In the beginning you stated that he was not attempting to portray this image now you are suggesting that he was. You're contradicting yourself.

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IIRC Suge hung Eazy over a balcony to get him to sign some contract. Suge was the guy with juice.


I actually think it was Vanilla Ice he hung over the balcony. For the life of me I cannot remember why, but Vanilla Ice even avoided the story in an interview a short while ago.

Eazy E had his backers up & take their slice the old fashioned pimps' way...contract enforcement by the lawers. :lol:

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The term studio gangster was invented for people like Tupac.


IIRC, Eazy E first put that one on Dr. Dre. :lol:


And Easy E. would know. There were a number of them around that time. Most of them hailed from the West Coast. It wasn't created for Tupac but he definitely benefitted from being one.


Beyond Scarface and the Geto Boys just about everyone was a studio gangster. Some may have sold drugs on held a gun once or twice but they weren't tough guys. Pretty much anyone over 25 knows this. IIRC Suge hung Eazy over a balcony to get him to sign some contract. Suge was the guy with juice.
There were more guys than just the Get Boys. The paper that you're referring probably had to do with getting Dre out of his contract with Eazzy. One of my friends from college was the first person that I'd ever heard mention Suge. It was around 92 or 93 and he was still kind of unknown. My guy used to write for the Source back then. He was actually interviewed on one of the Vh1 documentaries about 2Pac. He told me that Suge made easy get out of a lifetime contract that he had with Dre.

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Really? This is the 3rd thing you're making up. You like for me to respond to you don't you? You haven't disagreed with anything I posted but you continue to try to find something to argue about. I said he never sold drugs or rapped about shooting someone and you agreed. I said he portrayed himself to be something that he wasn't even before Death Row to sell records an you appear to agree. I called it a sales job very early on. What's next?

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IIRC Suge hung Eazy over a balcony to get him to sign some contract. Suge was the guy with juice.


I actually think it was Vanilla Ice he hung over the balcony. For the life of me I cannot remember why, but Vanilla Ice even avoided the story in an interview a short while ago.

Eazy E had his backers up & take their slice the old fashioned pimps' way...contract enforcement by the lawers. :lol:


:lol: Right! It wasn't Eazy. I just looked it up. He told Eazy he knew where his mother stayed and then Eazy released Dre from his contract. Eazy was still getting a cut though.

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The term studio gangster was invented for people like Tupac.


IIRC, Eazy E first put that one on Dr. Dre. :lol:


And Easy E. would know. There were a number of them around that time. Most of them hailed from the West Coast. It wasn't created for Tupac but he definitely benefitted from being one.


Beyond Scarface and the Geto Boys just about everyone was a studio gangster. Some may have sold drugs on held a gun once or twice but they weren't tough guys. Pretty much anyone over 25 knows this. IIRC Suge hung Eazy over a balcony to get him to sign some contract. Suge was the guy with juice.
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There were more guys than just the Get Boys. The paper that you're referring probably had to do with getting Dre out of his contract with Eazzy. One of my friends from college was the first person that I'd ever heard mention Suge. It was around 92 or 93 and he was still kind of unknown. My guy used to write for the Source back then. He was actually interviewed on one of the Vh1 documentaries about 2Pac. He told me that Suge made easy get out of a lifetime contract that he had with Dre.

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Really? This is the 3rd thing you're making up. You like for me to respond to you don't you? You haven't disagreed with anything I posted but you continue to try to find something to argue about. I said he never sold drugs or rapped about shooting someone and you agreed. I said he portrayed himself to be something that he wasn't even before Death Row to sell records an you appear to agree. I called it a sales job very early on. What's next?


In the song bomb first he is talking about shooting someone. In hit em up he is talking shooting people. What are you talking about? The problem with your arguments is that they become conflated after awhile. They lack consistency. They also are always circular.

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I just find it funny that now a meme is making the rounds with folks from London Town (Towne?) claiming Stuart Scott as one of theirs?!?

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