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You gotta love the way this Bears regime takes care of their business. A few days after the draft & they have nearly every draft pick signed already. I like it.

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You gotta love the way this Bears regime takes care of their business. A few days after the draft & they have nearly every draft pick signed already. I like it.


Cliff Stein is the only objectively competent management person in that building

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You gotta love the way this Bears regime takes care of their business. A few days after the draft & they have nearly every draft pick signed already. I like it.


Cliff Stein is the only objectively competent management person in that building


How soon we forget that paying Josh McCown $1 more fucking dollar could have kept him off the market altogether.

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You gotta love the way this Bears regime takes care of their business. A few days after the draft & they have nearly every draft pick signed already. I like it.


Cliff Stein is the only objectively competent management person in that building


How soon we forget that paying Josh McCown $1 more fucking dollar could have kept him off the market altogether.



True. IIRC it would have cost them an additional $500k in cap space

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I think Fuller will get a lot of playing time. May not start but he'll be out there.


Looks like he can hit but there's not much to go on in terms of coverage skills. If you match up VTs schedule with the WRs drafted, he only faced one--Devin Street of Pitt who was a 5th round pick to Dallas. I couldn't find any touted underclassmen who were on the schedule either. 1st day of camp when he's lined up across from Marshall or Jeffrey should be interesting.
Edit: Norwood from Bama went in the 4th.

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I think Fuller will get a lot of playing time. May not start but he'll be out there.


Looks like he can hit but there's not much to go on in terms of coverage skills. If you match up VTs schedule with the WRs drafted, he only faced one--Devin Street of Pitt who was a 5th round pick to Dallas. I couldn't find any touted underclassmen who were on the schedule either. 1st day of camp when he's lined up across from Marshall or Jeffrey should be interesting.
Edit: Norwood from Bama went in the 4th.


like I wrote earlier, there are more than a few people who considered him the best cover corner in the draft

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Nas wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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You gotta love the way this Bears regime takes care of their business. A few days after the draft & they have nearly every draft pick signed already. I like it.


Cliff Stein is the only objectively competent management person in that building


How soon we forget that paying Josh McCown $1 more fucking dollar could have kept him off the market altogether.



True. IIRC it would have cost them an additional $500k in cap space


Agreed.

He would have happily stayed here for that type of money.

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People always talk about trading up as if anytime you want to you can.

For all we know Emery tried to trade up and could not get a deal done.


We see other GM's do it. It was one of the things I kept bringing up the entire weekend. The Bears had the ability to get every player they wanted but they didn't because Emery was too conservative.

And Emery did it. But we have no idea what Emery tried to do and was not able. You don't trade up unless you get a good deal. If he trades up and gives away too much then everyone here is rightly bitching about that.

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I think when you add in Christian Jones as a pick up you can make this draft out to be B+/A- level.






Stopped by here to see if anyone had mentioned him. I am excited about the Bears grabbing him, didn't realize he was even still on the board last weekend when we were all here BS-ing about the draft.

Hear he might be worked out on the outside, I think he would make a better Mike backer in the future tho. He played inside at Florida State if I am not mistaken. Great size at 6-4 240 or so.



@ Good Dolphin: Yeah, I thought it was apparent right after Fullers name was called that Emery didn't see the value in those safteys -the question is wether or not after 2 previous drafts of Emery not being able to evaluate defensive talent, is Emery's opinion of their value worth a damn?

And if Fuller turns out to be good (I think he will), that won't change Pryor or Dix (who we'll get to see twice a year btw) from becoming what most of us think they can become. And if they are good, and our saftey issue continues to drag out defense down, I will always hold that against Emery -even if Fuller plays well. And Emery will desrve that criticism. I still don't think either one of those guys was a stretch at #14.

We'll see in time. I'm new here, so maybe this will be something people can call me out on later this season, or the season after lol

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I think Fuller will get a lot of playing time. May not start but he'll be out there.


Looks like he can hit but there's not much to go on in terms of coverage skills. If you match up VTs schedule with the WRs drafted, he only faced one--Devin Street of Pitt who was a 5th round pick to Dallas. I couldn't find any touted underclassmen who were on the schedule either. 1st day of camp when he's lined up across from Marshall or Jeffrey should be interesting.
Edit: Norwood from Bama went in the 4th.


like I wrote earlier, there are more than a few people who considered him the best cover corner in the draft


I kind of feel like I need to be more aggressive. So to that end, I would like to know what the fuck you personally know about Kyle Fucking Fuller's ability to cover:

Sami Watkins
Boldin, Crabtree, Stevie Johnson (one game)
Eric Decker
Jordy Nelson, James Jones (x2)
Avant, Cotchery
Julio Jones, Roddy White
Mike Wallace
Julian Edelman
Greg Jennings (x2)
Vincent Jackson
Calvin F'ing Johnson, Golden Tate (x2)
Dez Bryant
Marques Colston, Jimmy Graham


Yeah, that's what I thought.

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I kind of feel like I need to be more aggressive. So to that end, I would like to know what the fuck you personally know about Kyle Fucking Fuller's ability to cover:

Sami Watkins
Boldin, Crabtree, Stevie Johnson (one game)
Eric Decker
Jordy Nelson, James Jones (x2)
Avant, Cotchery
Julio Jones, Roddy White
Mike Wallace
Julian Edelman
Greg Jennings (x2)
Vincent Jackson
Calvin F'ing Johnson, Golden Tate (x2)
Dez Bryant
Marques Colston, Jimmy Graham


Yeah, that's what I thought.




Well, I guess we'll find out pretty quick what Kyle Fucking Fuller (thats an awesome middle name he has btw, was unaware of that) can do in coverage pretty quick.


Also you are aware, that we do have Tillman and Jennings on our team still -so its conceivable that Fuller doesn't really see any of those names you have up there save for one of the three 49ers wide outs?

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This all depends on the system moving forward (eg more zone, man, etc) and whether or not Tucker is savvy enough to optimize whatever talents fuller has while ensuring those talents make the system better at the same time. My feeling is that Tucker will not do either, based on the collapse from a technical and system perspective we saw last year.

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I think Fuller will get a lot of playing time. May not start but he'll be out there.


Looks like he can hit but there's not much to go on in terms of coverage skills. If you match up VTs schedule with the WRs drafted, he only faced one--Devin Street of Pitt who was a 5th round pick to Dallas. I couldn't find any touted underclassmen who were on the schedule either. 1st day of camp when he's lined up across from Marshall or Jeffrey should be interesting.
Edit: Norwood from Bama went in the 4th.


like I wrote earlier, there are more than a few people who considered him the best cover corner in the draft


I kind of feel like I need to be more aggressive. So to that end, I would like to know what the fuck you personally know about Kyle Fucking Fuller's ability to cover:

Sami Watkins
Boldin, Crabtree, Stevie Johnson (one game)
Eric Decker
Jordy Nelson, James Jones (x2)
Avant, Cotchery
Julio Jones, Roddy White
Mike Wallace
Julian Edelman
Greg Jennings (x2)
Vincent Jackson
Calvin F'ing Johnson, Golden Tate (x2)
Dez Bryant
Marques Colston, Jimmy Graham


Yeah, that's what I thought.


That logic negates all analysis of every college player before they play a game in the pros.

I believe intelligent people can take what is known and extrapolate to reasonably predict what is unknown.

Golden Tate, Greg Jennings, Cotchery...I think he will do just fine against these guys, as has the league over the last several seasons of their careers

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Tough sledding having to cover 2 WRs at the same time.

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Alls I's trying to say is that given that the whispers about moving him to safety started the second they drafted him, his 4.55 speed (or whatever), the fact that the guy really hasn't faced top-level college competition, we're going to learn more about him in that first scrimmage against probably 2 of top 15 WRs in the world, than in all of the scouting put together. I might go down to camp and see for myself just how tight his hip rotations are.

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Alls I's trying to say is that given that the whispers about moving him to safety started the second they drafted him, his 4.55 speed (or whatever), the fact that the guy really hasn't faced top-level college competition, we're going to learn more about him in that first scrimmage against probably 2 of top 15 WRs in the world, than in all of the scouting put together. I might go down to camp and see for myself just how tight his hip rotations are.


They said the same thing about Tillman after his draft w/r/t moving to safety.

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As we know, there are known knowns; there are things that we know that we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

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As we know, there are known knowns; there are things that we know that we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

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Solid but not sexy. I don't think there is a flashy player in the group save for Sutton. Each pick filled an immediate need.

A guy like Fuller snuck up on a lot of people and I don't think he even generated momentum among NFL guys until weeks after the combine. His injury last year took him off some radars. I heard Collinsworth describe him as the best pass coverer in the draft. That seems far fetched with Gilbert but if he is the second best, they got the guy they needed. It became incredibly clear that Emery simply did not like the value the safeties in this draft presented.

Maybe you got Donald with Sutton. His junior year production certainly is Donald's equal. I think, at the very least, he can give you everything that you got from Melton.

Ego...well, we will see. Everyone focus' on his lack of refinement as a pass rusher. I don't care about his pass rushing skills. Stop the run and that is a productive pick from Day 1.

Carey is a hard runner who can pass block. That is exactly what they needed out of a RB for right now. I'm not looking for Forte's replacement. I'm looking for a guy who does what Forte cannot today.

Vereen has so many great things. He is one of the fastest, strongest and smartest safeties in this draft. Why was he there in the 4th? I think it is that he is not exceptional either at SS or FS. I think he can play both and be solid, he will just never be great. Think of him like Steltz with speed.

O'Donnell is going to be our punter for the next decade. Great pick.

Hopefully Fales will make it through waivers and can be on the practice squad throughout the year.

My grade is a B


Could be right. The video is worth watching, though my shit internet connection made it seem like the ball hung even longer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-yahoo ... 4-nfl.html

Rookie punter the star at Chicago Bears' training camp

BOURBONNAIS — It isn’t every day that a punter is the star of a training-camp practice. Then again, it isn’t every day that a punter, and a rookie one at that, launches tight spirals going more than 70 yards in the air.

But Pat O’Donnell has established that he doesn’t appear to be just another punter, the only one taken in the 2014 draft, by the Bears in the sixth round.

O’Donnell’s first punt Sunday, a massive boot landing well beyond returner Chris Williams’ reach, drew appreciative whoops from major portions of the Olivet Nazarene crowd estimated at more than 9,500. By the time his turn came around again, fans started a low roar, accompanied by pounding on the metal bleachers, all accompanying a first-of-its-kind rhythmic chant:

“Mega-punt! Mega-punt! Mega-Punt!” right up to the moment of O’Donnell’s effort. When he got one off that wobbled down short of the city limits, the result was a good-natured groan.

“It’s good to have the fans involved, like we are,” O’Donnell said.

[MORE BEARS: Just how good does the Bears defense need to be?]

Special-teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis wasn’t so sure: “That’s a first. That’s obviously a first. I was thinking, ‘you’ve got to be kidding me over there.’ It was ridiculous. Let’s keep the kid’s feet on the ground so far. No, never.”

O’Donnell said his longest punt was as a senior at Miami: 73 yards from scrimmage, meaning 86 yards in the air.

One-time Bears punter Todd Sauerbrun, a second-round pick in 1995 and also a true power-punter, arrived for his first training camp in with the license plate “HANGTIME.” Might O’Donnell change his car ID to “MEGA?”

"Not just yet,” he said, laughing.

O’Donnell is in a solid competition with Tress Way, who wasn’t able to match the moonshots of O’Donnell on Sunday. Coaches have had O’Donnell also do some kickoffs, until now the job of Robbie Gould but something that could involve O’Donnell, who stands 6-4, 200 pounds.

“I’m just looking at what the coach has to say right now,” said O’Donnell, who kicked off for three years in college. “Right now that’s Robbie’s job and whatever coach needs me to do, work it different days.”

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I just noticed the thread title has 2104 as the year.

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