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JORR thinks LeBron is a failure because he's only won 2 NBA championships in the past four years!


one has an asterisk on a strike shortened season

the other was some shenanigans when they were on the verge of defeat


Boston had that playoff series won in the strike-shortened season, and then the Spurs clearly choked last year. But I suppose many series have that "what if" aspect, so I don't begrudge LBJ his two titles.

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JORR thinks LeBron is a failure because he's only won 2 NBA championships in the past four years!


one has an asterisk on a strike shortened season

the other was some shenanigans when they were on the verge of defeat


Boston had that playoff series won in the strike-shortened season, and then the Spurs clearly choked last year. But I suppose many series have that "what if" aspect, so I don't begrudge LBJ his two titles.

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Cutler is clearly taking over the TEAM from a leadership perspective, and this is deemed "strange?!" LOL, this place.


I'm a Cutler hater myself, but that's how I read it too.

I don't think the division between offense and defense is as pronounced today as it was when the '63 defense walked off and told Wade to "Hold 'em" or even when McMahon and the offensive linemen from the Super Bowl team all went out together on Thursdays nights.

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JORR thinks LeBron is a failure because he's only won 2 NBA championships in the past four years!


Flashback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

Do you think that if you had said to all those people in that room on that day that LeBron and the Heat were going to eke out two hard fought championships in four seasons, any of them would have said that would be a great success?

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Chicago is irrationally defensive about Cutler. Literally every piece of national media criticism is dismissed as out of town stupid. He's bulletproof.


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Tom Jackson criticized him for not waving hello to a security guard while walking in the building. "It doesn't mean anything. It's just something."


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I wonder what the "indefinite" nature of the suspension means...are they demanding he apologize to be reinstated, are they thinking whether they can cut him (not sure of whether it saves them money or what the TE depth chart is), or do they just want him to squirm a while?





No...we need this guy...he is gona catch 60 Balls this year.

How come with the Dozen dickbags @ the Score covering the team...I've never heard about Bennett being lazy n dogging it in practice n always being the last guy back to the huddle.

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JORR thinks LeBron is a failure because he's only won 2 NBA championships in the past four years!


Flashback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

Do you think that if you had said to all those people in that room on that day that LeBron and the Heat were going to eke out two hard fought championships in four seasons, any of them would have said that would be a great success?

Do you think that success should be defined according to expectations? I believe you, I, and others have argued the opposite when it comes to MLB prospects.

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Literally every piece of national media criticism is dismissed as out of town stupid.
If its about the look on his face, or who he sat next to on the bench, or that he threw his arms up in disgust when a play didn't come in time, it should be dismissed as stupid because it is stupid.


You DO realize that you effectively just called Dan McNeil, all of the Chicago media & the overwhelming majority of local market NFL teams/Bear fans stupid. :lol: It really makes being an NFL fan tiring.

And 312player's pointed question about the lack of prior info about Bennett's "attitudes" is valid. Kiss asses the lot of them, until they agree in lockstep that it's ok to screech about THAT guy :lol:

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JORR thinks LeBron is a failure because he's only won 2 NBA championships in the past four years!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
JORR thinks LeBron is a failure because he's only won 2 NBA championships in the past four years!


Flashback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

Do you think that if you had said to all those people in that room on that day that LeBron and the Heat were going to eke out two hard fought championships in four seasons, any of them would have said that would be a great success?


Hopefully LeBron can one day be as successful as the iconic Derrick Rose.

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Tall Midget wrote:
JORR thinks LeBron is a failure because he's only won 2 NBA championships in the past four years!


Flashback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

Do you think that if you had said to all those people in that room on that day that LeBron and the Heat were going to eke out two hard fought championships in four seasons, any of them would have said that would be a great success?

Do you think that success should be defined according to expectations? I believe you, I, and others have argued the opposite when it comes to MLB prospects.


In a vacuum, LeBron and his teams have certainly been successful. But I don't think you can ignore situations. In spite of Tall Midget's denials, you and I and everyone else knows that LeBron has been widely regarded as the most talented player basketball has ever seen. And those Heat teams had a collection of talent that was unparalleled in their era, if not great depth and size. That being the case, I don't see how you can think their results were anything but a disappointment.

I would compare them to the mid-80s Bears and their single Super Bowl. Sure, that one year was great, but that team and its overall talent really fell short of what most people believe they should have achieved.

As far as baseball prospects are concerned, I do think expectations matter. If Bryce Harper has the same career as Nate Schierholtz, one guy is going to be a disappointment and the other guy isn't. They really can't be judged the same way.

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Literally every piece of national media criticism is dismissed as out of town stupid.
If its about the look on his face, or who he sat next to on the bench, or that he threw his arms up in disgust when a play didn't come in time, it should be dismissed as stupid because it is stupid.


You DO realize that you effectively just called Dan McNeil, all of the Chicago media & the overwhelming majority of local market NFL teams/Bear fans stupid. :lol: It really makes being an NFL fan tiring.

And 312player's pointed question about the lack of prior info about Bennett's "attitudes" is valid. Kiss asses the lot of them, until they agree in lockstep that it's ok to screech about THAT guy :lol:



Knowing what I know about the media, particularly the Chicago sports media, I might speculate on the turn against Bennett. They all loved this guy for his wacky quotes and "interesting" personality. As long as he kept giving them shit to write, they sure weren't going to criticize him. They don't even care if a guy is rude and condescending as long as he is writing their stories for them. See Mike Ditka and Ozzie Guillen. So my guess would be that maybe Bennett just got tired of clowning for these guys and didn't want to talk as much as he previously had. Suddenly all the bad shit makes its way into print. Or did he just start dogging it in practice yesterday?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JORR thinks LeBron is a failure because he's only won 2 NBA championships in the past four years!


Flashback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

Do you think that if you had said to all those people in that room on that day that LeBron and the Heat were going to eke out two hard fought championships in four seasons, any of them would have said that would be a great success?

Do you think that success should be defined according to expectations? I believe you, I, and others have argued the opposite when it comes to MLB prospects.


In a vacuum, LeBron and his teams have certainly been successful. But I don't think you can ignore situations. In spite of Tall Midget's denials, you and I and everyone else knows that LeBron has been widely regarded as the most talented player basketball has ever seen. And those Heat teams had a collection of talent that was unparalleled in their era, if not great depth and size. That being the case, I don't see how you can think their results were anything but a disappointment.

I would compare them to the mid-80s Bears and their single Super Bowl. Sure, that one year was great, but that team and its overall talent really fell short of what most people believe they should have achieved.

As far as baseball prospects are concerned, I do think expectations matter. If Bryce Harper has the same career as Nate Schierholtz, one guy is going to be a disappointment and the other guy isn't. They really can't be judged the same way.


By your logic, then, Jimmy Butler can be seen as a more successful basketball player than LeBron. Butler wasn't expected to be an NBA starter when he was drafted, but he's evolved into a pretty good player. By contrast, LeBron promised to win several NBA championships in Miami, but he "only" led the team to two titles. While Butler has exceeded expectations, LeBron has fallen short of them. Now I understand why Rose prefers playing with Butler to the possibility of teaming up with LeBron. Butler is a success, and LeBron is a failure. Thanks for your wisdom, JORR!

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By your logic, then, Jimmy Butler can be seen as a more successful basketball player than LeBron. Butler wasn't expected to be an NBA starter when he was drafted, but he's evolved into a pretty good player. By contrast, LeBron promised to win several NBA championships in Miami, but he "only" led the team to two titles. While Butler has exceeded expectations, LeBron has fallen short of them. Now I understand why Rose prefers playing with Butler to the possibility of teaming up with LeBron. Butler is a success, and LeBron is a failure. Thanks for your wisdom, JORR!


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So Lil Danny will be just as critical to Bennett's face as it were when he's on with them next time right?

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So Lil Danny will be just as critical to Bennett's face as it were when he's on with them next time right?


Was he ripping him?

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So a Bears player can't defend himself from being muscled around and embarrassed. Mel Tucker has his unit in mid season form already.

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So Lil Danny will be just as critical to Bennett's face as it were when he's on with them next time right?


Was he ripping him?

He and Larry were . "You better damn well be practicing hard . If you're half assing it and not making the person across from you better you are doing your team a disservice "

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He is some closet raging alcoholic or having mental issues?

Emery, Cutler and Trestman all said they love him and both Emery and Trestman said they just have to go through the process. :lol:


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Literally every piece of national media criticism is dismissed as out of town stupid.
If its about the look on his face, or who he sat next to on the bench, or that he threw his arms up in disgust when a play didn't come in time, it should be dismissed as stupid because it is stupid.


You DO realize that you effectively just called Dan McNeil, all of the Chicago media & the overwhelming majority of local market NFL teams/Bear fans stupid. :lol: It really makes being an NFL fan tiring.

And 312player's pointed question about the lack of prior info about Bennett's "attitudes" is valid. Kiss asses the lot of them, until they agree in lockstep that it's ok to screech about THAT guy :lol:



Knowing what I know about the media, particularly the Chicago sports media, I might speculate on the turn against Bennett. They all loved this guy for his wacky quotes and "interesting" personality. As long as he kept giving them shit to write, they sure weren't going to criticize him. They don't even care if a guy is rude and condescending as long as he is writing their stories for them. See Mike Ditka and Ozzie Guillen. So my guess would be that maybe Bennett just got tired of clowning for these guys and didn't want to talk as much as he previously had. ?


or that he is saving his best for his Sirius show with his brother

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He and Larry were . "You better damn well be practicing hard . If you're half assing it and not making the person across from you better you are doing your team a disservice "


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This is starting to look like it is going to be really bad. If his suspension lasts into the weekend I think we may need to worry that this relationship isn't going to last.

Also, I hate Jay Cutler.

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This is starting to look like it is going to be really bad. If his suspension lasts into the weekend I think we may need to worry that this relationship isn't going to last.

Also, I hate Jay Cutler.


Biggs speculated this morning that the unicorn wouldn't play tomorrow but would be back this weekend some time.

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Indefinite suspension from training camp? Does that mean you're sent home to eat ice cream and play XBox by yourself or just confined to your dorm room with just the iPad playbook? Does this result in Bennett being better rested during a part of the season he would rather go without or is this the first step towards figuring out a way to release him, and if the latter how do the Bears maximize his contract value? At this point, given the lack of game checks, this is is only costing Bennett an undisclosed amount (until the NFLPA gets wind).

Which has me wondering the value of WSCR's endless roster of Bears experts. What's the point if none of them can report anything of substance or offer an opinion grounded in any reality? The word "brawl" has me thinking at least two differnt groups of players squaring off or one guy taking on at least two others and momentarily holding his own. Yet the videotape showed me a minor skirmish that wouldn't make a top ten of training camp YouTube fights. All of these "experts" and after the initial breaking of information comes a quick slide of conformity of information. Trestman starts by saying one thing, Emery states another, then they all get on script and the "experts" repeat it as rote. Even the "smarter" guys in the room seem compelled to repeat what they are being told. So if they're holding back, I have to ask more for the "who" than the "why"?

I don't expect the TV guys to get anything because they aren't about delivering substance, and I've come to see the print guys as preferring to choose the press room spread over fearing that a McCaskey is going to threaten their access credentials. I once considered lumping the radio guys in with the latter over the former, only because the medium could support something more than 30 seconds of content until too many got converted to clubhouse bitches. But when a radio station wants to list more experts than positions on either side of the ball it would seem that at least one of them would be willing to step out because they currently don't care about the access and their roster it too deep for the team to care.

The one other thing that comes to mind is that maybe it wasn't so much about the brawl but Bennett giving a less than enlightened response to the coach who wants to grow his football. Its still a game where words don't mean shit if you can't hit or take a hit, and a coach's philosophy on life as football and football as life doesn't mean shit if you don't get enough "Ws" to back it up. Even less than shit when the "Ls" come with a big difference in points on the scoreboard.

Not to put too much stock in this first pre-season game but this will be one more reason to watch, as though there is a training camp holdout going on with a player. Except that this isn't about wanting more paper just a matter of showing a little more hustle and being willing to act like the current coachspeak means something without breaking into an uncontrolled smirk when giving it more than a thought.

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So this is Bennett's last season. Cutting him saves $3.8M in cap and as we hear from just 20 minutes of B&B his act sucks. Distraction central.

Yeah, but he's really fucking good.

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