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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:49 pm 
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Stop yourself. Jerry Angelo was fucking horrible.
Not even close. You are letting your unwarranted hate for the man cloud your judgement on his tenure. It certainly was not very good the last couple of years, and it was definitely time to part ways, but the Bears had a LOT of success under Jerry Angelo.

Its truly amazing how many times you are wrong. I mean even a broken watch is correct twice a day, and you are correct virtually never.

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How could they hire Accorsi? Shouldn't they have hired someone else to consult on hiring Accorsi?


yeah that's exactly what i was thinking when they mentioned that during the pressers on "black monday." if you have no confidence in your own ability to bring in a football guy who oversee all of the football decisions to be made, then how confident are you that you can pick out a guy can go and pick out all of the football people to bring in? did they offer accorsi the general manager's / president-of-football-operations gig and he said no, but he'd be willing to take a nice lump sum to do a one time thing for your hapless franchise? that's the obvious ? to me, but these are the bears and thus i don't expect anything to make sense by default.

so in a sense, the franchise is in exactly the same place it was in back when it had to hire a consulting firm to find jerry angelo. IIRC the consulting firm was there to distance themselves from mike mccaskey's reign of terror and basically say "yeah we don't trust anyone here to make this call" and if i'm not mistaken that's exactly where we are now.... except that ted phillips gets to survive (unlike mike mccaskey) because he always makes ginny happy by bringing her a bunch of cash and in the end while losing sucks and you'll go out of your way to try and convince the public that losing bothers you even more than it does them, you at least get that nice consolation prize of ALWAYS being a very profitable enterprise that has to be filed under the "gift from god" category in terms of daddy mccaskey managing to plant a seed in ginny halas and then a few well-timed deaths and legal battles later the chicago bears are the property of the mccaskey family, a family that never had any business owning a NFL franchise but hey the lord works in mysterious ways.

i need someone older than me to answer this: would the bears have been in better hands if mugsy didnt die in late 79? there was nothing sketchy about his death whatsoever (oh look he had a heart attack! let's get all of those organs out of there and replace them with sawdust! hey if the past is for losers and cowards we're neither and we're not gonna get caught looking back!) and of course that and a few legal battles made sure that the bears ended up solely in the hands of the mccaskey family (my dad was telling me the other day that after papa bear died there were legal battles to make sure that the mccaskeys got everything and there were grandkids with the last name of halas, mugs' kids, who got jack squat diddly shit. he says there was a "nick halas" who was a cop in skokie last he checked... and there's other halas kids out there who have the name but nothing else as they were all removed from the will/family/bears/etc in a possibly/probably-sketchy fashion --- again i ask you people older than me for a little help here!)

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whoa is it just me or is george embarking on a "duckface" pose which is a big hit with the ladies on facebook in the 2010s? it looks like it could end up going the route of "derpface" but then again i don't think that the bears' management has to really make a special face to brandish "derpface" as it just comes naturally to them.

either way, great picture and reminder that we're kind of..... who dennis green thought we were.

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I'm seeing a lot of overreaction here. Accorsi is likely being used for his contacts and sharing information from others for a few hundred thousand dollars. Obviously a GM/President will ultimately be chosen by the ownership. Getting more information is good.

I'd be more concerned if they were only relying on themselves.


Right, Accorsi is better than Ted or George.

But the problem is that Ted and George will still hire the next Bears GM.

Yet, by hiring Accorsi, they have implicitly admitted that they are unqualified to make such a decision.

So the best we can hope for is that all three or four of the candidates Accorsi identifies as finalists (in collaboration with George and Ted--a scary proposition) are stellar.



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Tall Midget wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of overreaction here. Accorsi is likely being used for his contacts and sharing information from others for a few hundred thousand dollars. Obviously a GM/President will ultimately be chosen by the ownership. Getting more information is good.

I'd be more concerned if they were only relying on themselves.


Right, Accorsi is better than Ted or George.

But the problem is that Ted and George will still hire the next Bears GM.

Yet, by hiring Accorsi, they have implicitly admitted that they are unqualified to make such a decision.

So the best we can hope for is that all three or four of the candidates Accorsi identifies as finalists (in collaboration with George and Ted--a scary proposition) are stellar.



CEO's hire people on a daily basis by depending upon the endorsements of others.


George is a former ticket manager and Ted is an accountant. What about that says "football decision maker"?


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Stop yourself. Jerry Angelo was fucking horrible.
Not even close. You are letting your unwarranted hate for the man cloud your judgement on his tenure. It certainly was not very good the last couple of years, and it was definitely time to part ways, but the Bears had a LOT of success under Jerry Angelo.

Its truly amazing how many times you are wrong. I mean even a broken watch is correct twice a day, and you are correct virtually never.


A while ago I posted every free agent signing and draft pick made by Angelo during his 9 year reign of terror with the Bears. It is a god awful list of terrible players.
There is a reason that most people think Jerry was a bad GM. It isnt exactly a radically controversial thought.

Happy New Year.

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the Bears stumbling into that Super Bowl gave those idiots another 5 years to bury the team.

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the Bears stumbling into that Super Bowl gave those idiots another 5 years to bury the team.


Exactly right.

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Peoria Matt wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of overreaction here. Accorsi is likely being used for his contacts and sharing information from others for a few hundred thousand dollars. Obviously a GM/President will ultimately be chosen by the ownership. Getting more information is good.

I'd be more concerned if they were only relying on themselves.


Right, Accorsi is better than Ted or George.

But the problem is that Ted and George will still hire the next Bears GM.

Yet, by hiring Accorsi, they have implicitly admitted that they are unqualified to make such a decision.

So the best we can hope for is that all three or four of the candidates Accorsi identifies as finalists (in collaboration with George and Ted--a scary proposition) are stellar.



CEO's hire people on a daily basis by depending upon the endorsements of others.


George is a former ticket manager and Ted is an accountant. What about that says "football decision maker"?


Ted has already hired one GM that took the team to a Super Bowl.

That puts him ahead of 22 other President's and their teams who have failed to do that in the last 7 years.

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Seacrest wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of overreaction here. Accorsi is likely being used for his contacts and sharing information from others for a few hundred thousand dollars. Obviously a GM/President will ultimately be chosen by the ownership. Getting more information is good.

I'd be more concerned if they were only relying on themselves.


Right, Accorsi is better than Ted or George.

But the problem is that Ted and George will still hire the next Bears GM.

Yet, by hiring Accorsi, they have implicitly admitted that they are unqualified to make such a decision.

So the best we can hope for is that all three or four of the candidates Accorsi identifies as finalists (in collaboration with George and Ted--a scary proposition) are stellar.



CEO's hire people on a daily basis by depending upon the endorsements of others.


And how many CEO's report to their moms?

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bigfan wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of overreaction here. Accorsi is likely being used for his contacts and sharing information from others for a few hundred thousand dollars. Obviously a GM/President will ultimately be chosen by the ownership. Getting more information is good.

I'd be more concerned if they were only relying on themselves.


Right, Accorsi is better than Ted or George.

But the problem is that Ted and George will still hire the next Bears GM.

Yet, by hiring Accorsi, they have implicitly admitted that they are unqualified to make such a decision.

So the best we can hope for is that all three or four of the candidates Accorsi identifies as finalists (in collaboration with George and Ted--a scary proposition) are stellar.



CEO's hire people on a daily basis by depending upon the endorsements of others.


And how many CEO's report to their moms?


As many that have a mom as chairman of the board.

Some families just give their kids money without a corporate structure.

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AW YOU SAYING A GOOD EXECUTIVE CAN'T CONSAULT HIS OWN MUTHA?

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AW YOU SAYING A GOOD EXECUTIVE CAN'T CONSAULT HIS OWN MUTHA?


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Did you see the Mike Zaun True Detective one? Best one yet. The guy who does Mad Dog might do that impression better than the Francesa guy does Francesa.

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Ted has already hired one GM that took the team to a Super Bowl.

That puts him ahead of 22 other President's and their teams who have failed to do that in the last 7 years.


Let me know when he hires a GM that assembles a Super Bowl winning team.

I can't tell if you're pulling a Nas/Cutler thing here.


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Did you see the Mike Zaun True Detective one? Best one yet. The guy who does Mad Dog might do that impression better than the Francesa guy does Francesa.


Yeah, he's amazing. And imitating Russo is a lot harder than imitating Francesa.

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Did you see the Mike Zaun True Detective one? Best one yet. The guy who does Mad Dog might do that impression better than the Francesa guy does Francesa.


Yeah, he's amazing. And imitating Russo is a lot harder than imitating Francesa.

Yeah, what is that accent. It's like part working-class New York, part upper-crust, and then part I don't even know what.

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Did you see the Mike Zaun True Detective one? Best one yet. The guy who does Mad Dog might do that impression better than the Francesa guy does Francesa.


Yeah, he's amazing. And imitating Russo is a lot harder than imitating Francesa.

Yeah, what is that accent. It's like part working-class New York, part upper-crust, and then part I don't even know what.


It's not that he pronounces Rs as Ws, it's that he puts a little English on them. It's nearly impossible to replicate.

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Not sure if I heard this correctly. Denver beat guy with M&H said Accorsi wasn't in the Gase interview. If true, what a kick ass gig! $300K for names!


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Not sure if I heard this correctly. Denver beat guy with M&H said Accorsi wasn't in the Gase interview. If true, what a kick ass gig! $300K for names!


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Not sure if I heard this correctly. Denver beat guy with M&H said Accorsi wasn't in the Gase interview. If true, what a kick ass gig! $300K for names!


I believe the search firm that "found" Jerry Angelo for the Bears charged around $200,000.

That's the way recruiting firms and consultants work.

Clients pay a lot of cash for "expertise" and connections.

I've been on a couple of high-level search committees that have relied on expensive recruiting firms. In both cases, they brought back awful candidate pools. In both cases, the committee's recommendation was to hire none of the candidates recommended to us. In one case, our opinion was vetoed and in another case it was upheld. As it turns out, we were correct in both cases. The person hired on the basis of the veto has proven to be way out of his depth.

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