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In 1990 there was also a noteworthy settlement with the IRS regarding the tax ramifications of the interlocking trusts. The government claimed that the team was dramatically undervalued in the original Halas restructure, which put the team’s value at roughly $16 million. The IRS estimated it should have been about $80 million, according to the Chicago Tribune.

The government was seeking $50 million in back taxes and penalties, but the team emerged instead with a $1.4 million refund, the Tribune reported, meaning it paid less tax than if the IRS never brought the claim.



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In 1990 there was also a noteworthy settlement with the IRS regarding the tax ramifications of the interlocking trusts. The government claimed that the team was dramatically undervalued in the original Halas restructure, which put the team’s value at roughly $16 million. The IRS estimated it should have been about $80 million, according to the Chicago Tribune.

The government was seeking $50 million in back taxes and penalties, but the team emerged instead with a $1.4 million refund, the Tribune reported, meaning it paid less tax than if the IRS never brought the claim.



:lol: GO BEARS!

The guy who beat the IRS?

Sweaty Teddy himself.

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In 1990 there was also a noteworthy settlement with the IRS regarding the tax ramifications of the interlocking trusts. The government claimed that the team was dramatically undervalued in the original Halas restructure, which put the team’s value at roughly $16 million. The IRS estimated it should have been about $80 million, according to the Chicago Tribune.

The government was seeking $50 million in back taxes and penalties, but the team emerged instead with a $1.4 million refund, the Tribune reported, meaning it paid less tax than if the IRS never brought the claim.



:lol: GO BEARS!


The IRS has audited me five of the last 6 years. Why? Don't know for sure, but I've got a pretty good idea.

They sent me a claim for 2020 and 2022 alleging I under paid by $16K with penalties. Went back and forth with my accountant over this. Should we fight It?

Got home last May and there is another letter from them. I figured I better open it and resend to my accountant.

Well, the letter said that I over paid for 2021 by almost twice the amount that I owed. And that I should be getting a check soon.

Which came the next day :lol: :lol:

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Do you have Philips on the Seacrest payroll?

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Jerry Reinsdorf is a pariah figure in Chicago despite winning seven titles across two sports in thirty-five years. Virginia McCaskey is still “beloved” despite her team winning one in forty. And the last ten years? The White Sox and Bulls are better than the Bears. That’s how pathetic the Bears have been, but since the Bears are masters of “winning the offseason” and generating empty hype they constantly weasel out of accountability.


Actually it’s more than 40, right? She didn’t take over in 1985.

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Jerry Reinsdorf is a pariah figure in Chicago despite winning seven titles across two sports in thirty-five years. Virginia McCaskey is still “beloved” despite her team winning one in forty. And the last ten years? The White Sox and Bulls are better than the Bears. That’s how pathetic the Bears have been, but since the Bears are masters of “winning the offseason” and generating empty hype they constantly weasel out of accountability.


Actually it’s more than 40, right? She didn’t take over in 1985.

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In 1990 there was also a noteworthy settlement with the IRS regarding the tax ramifications of the interlocking trusts. The government claimed that the team was dramatically undervalued in the original Halas restructure, which put the team’s value at roughly $16 million. The IRS estimated it should have been about $80 million, according to the Chicago Tribune.

The government was seeking $50 million in back taxes and penalties, but the team emerged instead with a $1.4 million refund, the Tribune reported, meaning it paid less tax than if the IRS never brought the claim.



:lol: GO BEARS!


The IRS has audited me five of the last 6 years. Why? Don't know for sure, but I've got a pretty good idea.


Under reported Only Fans earnings?

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KDdidit wrote:
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In 1990 there was also a noteworthy settlement with the IRS regarding the tax ramifications of the interlocking trusts. The government claimed that the team was dramatically undervalued in the original Halas restructure, which put the team’s value at roughly $16 million. The IRS estimated it should have been about $80 million, according to the Chicago Tribune.

The government was seeking $50 million in back taxes and penalties, but the team emerged instead with a $1.4 million refund, the Tribune reported, meaning it paid less tax than if the IRS never brought the claim.



:lol: GO BEARS!


The IRS has audited me five of the last 6 years. Why? Don't know for sure, but I've got a pretty good idea.


Under reported Only Fans earnings?

His association with JORR.

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The adulation that the media is using to describe her is nauseating. She cranked out eleven kids and none of them bothered to know how the league worked. How about this- fuck virginia mccaskey and her useless crotchfruit.

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In case anyone was interested :

The Bears' Ownership Structure

Virginia Halas McCaskey: Holds 22.6% of the team shares.

Her 11 children and two nephews: Each owns 3.8%, collectively accounting for 47.6%.

The Brizzolara family: Owns 8.33%.

Pat Ryan: Owns 17.67%.

Andrew J. McKenna's estate: Owns 2%.

This structure grants the Halas-McCaskey family an 80.33% ownership stake, allowing them to control the team


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ShortTimeLurker wrote:
In case anyone was interested :

The Bears' Ownership Structure

Virginia Halas McCaskey: Holds 22.6% of the team shares.

Her 11 children and two nephews: Each owns 3.8%, collectively accounting for 47.6%.

The Brizzolara family: Owns 8.33%.

Pat Ryan: Owns 17.67%.

Andrew J. McKenna's estate: Owns 2%.

This structure grants the Halas-McCaskey family an 80.33% ownership stake, allowing them to control the team


Looks like you have a typo on the kids’ share…should be 49.4 (13 * 3.8%). That brings the total to 100%.

That also implies the Brizzolara family’s share is under McCaskey control, since you would to add in their 8.33% to get to 80.33%.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
ShortTimeLurker wrote:
In case anyone was interested :

The Bears' Ownership Structure

Virginia Halas McCaskey: Holds 22.6% of the team shares.

Her 11 children and two nephews: Each owns 3.8%, collectively accounting for 47.6%.

The Brizzolara family: Owns 8.33%.

Pat Ryan: Owns 17.67%.

Andrew J. McKenna's estate: Owns 2%.

This structure grants the Halas-McCaskey family an 80.33% ownership stake, allowing them to control the team


Looks like you have a typo on the kids’ share…should be 49.4 (13 * 3.8%). That brings the total to 100%.

That also implies the Brizzolara family’s share is under McCaskey control, since you would to add in their 8.33% to get to 80.33%.


I didn't check it before I posted it, I scraped it from here

https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/markets ... ngNewsVerp


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I hate to do this but.. her legacy isn’t a good one. She and her sons ran this thing into the ground and were largely incompetent as owners as far as putting out a quality product.



But of course we’ll probably have to sit thru the phony bullshit dog and pony show of how important she was because ‘wammen’ and so on.



But the truth is, she took hold of something that probably wasn’t meant to be left to her and shit the bed. She will not be missed or celebrated by fans of this team -and she shouldn’t be. That’s the truth.


Hymen Roth would say she did a great job

If the worst thing a person can say about you at the end of life is that you weren't a good businessman, that is a pretty good legacy.





Fair enough but the Bears weren’t bigger than US Steel..

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God Bless Virginia. May she rest in peace.

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Her fucking Dad had to pay 100 bucks to get into the league in 1920. They would sell for 10 billion now.

Geroge Halas in 1920 taken over by Virginia in 1983. Two owners in 105 years. Father and daughter. Over 100 years between the two of them. You'll never see that happen in sports again.


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The narrative of "Virginia hated losing" is comical. This is all this shit organization has done for the better part of 30 years.

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I have no qualms with celebrating her end.

If you think she was just some nice old lady, go read up on what she did with her brother's children after he passed. She did everything she could to make sure that the part of the family had football in their genes had nothing to do with the team.

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She did everything she could to make sure that the part of the family had football in their genes had nothing to do with the team.

She had 11 kids and not one of them seemed to love football.

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She owned the team.

The team was bad for an extended period of time under her ownership.

The organization, at times, appeared incompetent at the leadership level under her ownership.

These moves made her, without question, a "bad owner".

She is now dead.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating her passing.


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It's harder to celebrate this than it was the death of Bill Wirtz (or the future death of Jerry Reinsdorf) because it's not like she really had an active hand in making the Bears so worthless, nor can we point to her death leading to a new generation of ownership that will overhaul the Bears and fast-forward them into modernity. The next generation is already here, they've been here for years, she already outlived at least one of them, and they're all just as bad at this as she was.

At the same time, I do agree that the 1983-2024 stewardship of the Bears would be considered bad ownership, and I think being George Halas's daughter rather than, say, Paul Brown's son took a lot of heat off that otherwise would have been on. I think the best way to sum up her tenure is simply "wasted potential." The Bears should be what the Steelers are. Under her family, they're not even what the Ravens are.

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Nah, it's petty easy to celebrate this, she helmed arguably the worst run of the Bears in the modern era, and the saving grace is...her further inept children? They're lucky we're only cheering her death.


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She owned the team.

The team was bad for an extended period of time under her ownership.

The organization, at times, appeared incompetent at the leadership level under her ownership.

These moves made her, without question, a "bad owner".

She is now dead.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating her passing.


You want to “celebrate” that someone died. A mother. A friend. A person. You are happy for other’s sadness because the Bears didn’t make the playoffs this year?

Says a lot about who you are as a person.


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You are happy for other’s sadness because the Bears didn’t make the playoffs this year?

The Bears usually don't make the playoffs any year.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
She owned the team.

The team was bad for an extended period of time under her ownership.

The organization, at times, appeared incompetent at the leadership level under her ownership.

These moves made her, without question, a "bad owner".

She is now dead.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating her passing.


You want to “celebrate” that someone died. A mother. A friend. A person. You are happy for other’s sadness because the Bears didn’t make the playoffs this year?

Says a lot about who you are as a person.

Oh no, not cunty condescension from One Post! Pause that indignation spewing from your lips and blow me.


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I'm pretty sure her niece and nephew (Mugs' children) are celebrating her death. She was a heartless cvnt.

Go take a deep dive on how she screwed them out of their inheritance. I'm glad the old bat keeled over.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I'm pretty sure her niece and nephew (Mugs' children) are celebrating her death. She was a heartless cvnt.

Go take a deep dive on how she screwed them out of their inheritance. I'm glad the old bat keeled over.


You are sorely mistaken, and uninformed on the subject.

Here's the deep dive. After a re-org, they owned the same amount as Virginia McCaskey did.


George Halas Jr.'s children inherited a 20% stake in the Chicago Bears, but the family faced legal disputes over the handling of the estate.
Inheritance
George Halas Jr.'s children inherited a 20% stake in the Chicago Bears.
They also inherited a 6% stake from their grandfather, George Halas.
George Halas Jr.'s children lost their seat on the Bears' board after a reorganization of the franchise.
Therese Halas, George Halas Jr.'s divorced wife, claimed that he misled her about his stock ownership. She filed multiple lawsuits challenging the estate's handling.
Christine and Stephen, heirs of George Halas Jr., sued Virginia Halas McCaskey, claiming she intentionally damaged the value of their stock.
Reorganization
In 1987, Virginia Halas McCaskey restructured the franchise's ownership to reduce estate taxes and lower income taxes.
The reorganization reclassified the heirs' 30.5% stake to 19.67%

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From what I can tell, Mugs’ two kids tried to sell their 20% for $17m in 1988 to JMB Realty (Neil Bluhm and Judd Malkin) but Virginia exercised right of first refusal and bought it herself to keep in the family (though she later sold that share to Ryan/McKenna).

That 20% share is now worth over $1b today. Ouch.

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From what I can tell, Mugs’ two kids tried to sell their 20% for $17m in 1988 to JMB Realty (Neil Bluhm and Judd Malkin) but Virginia exercised right of first refusal and bought it herself to keep in the family (though she later sold that share to Ryan/McKenna).

That 20% share is now worth over $1b today. Ouch.



THIS.

She ended up with the same share of ownership as Muggs kid's did. She's so horrible.

And the right of first refusal extends to Virginia's kids and grandkids, that ended up with smaller shares than Muggs kids. What a cvnt.

It's really sad that Muggs kids did what their mom told them to do. It literally cost the two of them almost $1B for listening to their mom, instead of riding it out their Aunt Ginny.

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She owned the team.

The team was bad for an extended period of time under her ownership.

The organization, at times, appeared incompetent at the leadership level under her ownership.

These moves made her, without question, a "bad owner".

She is now dead.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating her passing.


You want to “celebrate” that someone died. A mother. A friend. A person. You are happy for other’s sadness because the Bears didn’t make the playoffs this year?

Says a lot about who you are as a person.


I feel the same way. Truth is that none of us really knows what kind of person Virginia was. Obviously she didn't do very good as an owner of the Bears. The unfortunate reality is that after her dad died there was no one to take over that knew how to build a football enterprise. It seems to me that her family was not interested in building it as a thriving enterprise and just wanted to retain their equity share and their retention of a steady income stream without having to do anything. Maybe the real blame for the Bear's lack of success is the old man himself in not bringing in a good football person to bring a smart governance. Halas could have given such a person a significant piece of the team? Instead the forever hiring and firing of VPs and GMs continued the sad lack of priorities toward winning and excellence.

Or maybe the old man should have acknowledged the weakness of his McCaskey clan and sold the team and let his family go their separate way into oblivion,

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
She owned the team.

The team was bad for an extended period of time under her ownership.

The organization, at times, appeared incompetent at the leadership level under her ownership.

These moves made her, without question, a "bad owner".

She is now dead.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating her passing.


You want to “celebrate” that someone died. A mother. A friend. A person. You are happy for other’s sadness because the Bears didn’t make the playoffs this year?

Says a lot about who you are as a person.


I feel the same way. Truth is that none of us really knows what kind of person Virginia was. Obviously she didn't do very good as an owner of the Bears. The unfortunate reality is that after her dad died there was no one to take over that knew how to build a football enterprise.



She was a kind and generous person.

My wife knew her personally. And one of my younger sisters that ran an inner city program that she gave money and her personal time to, could never say enough good things about her.

Her sons have done a horrible job of running that organization. And as the owner, that belongs on her.

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