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They need a person who can legitimately play center. Should’ve been a top priority last year - wasn’t. Has to be the top priority this year.

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If they don't get Dalman then these moves look even worse. Moving Jackson to C or drafting a rookie C, I hope is not the plan. Sign Dalman, draft a couple OL in the draft and then I am on board.



Agreed on Dalman. Young established player who could be a cornerstone for the next 5-7 years at a key position. Those are the pitches you swing at.



They need to be parked across the street from Dalman's house at midnight like Lovie did with Peppers.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
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If they don't get Dalman then these moves look even worse. Moving Jackson to C or drafting a rookie C, I hope is not the plan. Sign Dalman, draft a couple OL in the draft and then I am on board.



Agreed on Dalman. Young established player who could be a cornerstone for the next 5-7 years at a key position. Those are the pitches you swing at.



They need to be parked across the street from Dalman's house at midnight like Lovie did with Peppers.


Singing Dalman would show that Johnson is the true GM for this team as it would be a radical departure from the way Ryan Poles has approached roster construction.

One could argue that Ryan Poles has ruined the development of one QB and greatly impacted the development of a second QB because he lacks the ability to recognize offensive line talent, and feels you do not need to invest draft capital or cap room into the center position. He also does not recognize coaching talent, how else can you explain the OC and O line coaching hires.

It seems Ben Johson is running the show now and that is a good thing given the lack of production from the GM position over the past few years.


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Clawmaster wrote:
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If they don't get Dalman then these moves look even worse. Moving Jackson to C or drafting a rookie C, I hope is not the plan. Sign Dalman, draft a couple OL in the draft and then I am on board.



Agreed on Dalman. Young established player who could be a cornerstone for the next 5-7 years at a key position. Those are the pitches you swing at.



They need to be parked across the street from Dalman's house at midnight like Lovie did with Peppers.


Singing Dalman would show that Johnson is the true GM for this team as it would be a radical departure from the way Ryan Poles has approached roster construction.

One could argue that Ryan Poles has ruined the development of one QB and greatly impacted the development of a second QB because he lacks the ability to recognize offensive line talent, and feels you do not need to invest draft capital or cap room into the center position. He also does not recognize coaching talent, how else can you explain the OC and O line coaching hires.

It seems Ben Johson is running the show now and that is a good thing given the lack of production from the GM position over the past few years.



How do you play on the O-line as a player and not recognize talent on the O-line? I think the punter pick last year wrapped up him being a terrible GM.


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How do you play on the O-line as a player and not recognize talent on the O-line? I think the punter pick last year wrapped up him being a terrible GM.

Arm chair psychology…he was never quite good enough to get to an NFL roster and has feelings of inadequacy that manifest in him giving bubble guys - like he viewed himself - more opportunities than warranted so that he can live vicariously through their success and prove to himself he’d have had an NFL career if only given a chance after which he he’ll feel as though he has made it and that feeling runs so deep he can’t even recognize his failures despite the same story playing out repeatedly such that he’ll take a project lineman from fucking Yale in the third round and what the fuck, I mean what the actual fuck, with the only hope being that he stumbled his way into the first overall pick and a QB that may or may not define his actual career which should trigger a light bulb that he needs to be more rational, less lady like and roster a professional caliber OL, which may give him enough of a push to get over the idea that he can have great success in the career he has and maybe not the one he dreamed about that he thinks he never had a fair shot at and I’m running out of wind here so if you’re somehow still reading this why and what’s wrong with you.

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They blame it on player development and Darth Eberflus who is now their convenient scapegoat for all their myriad catastrophes across the roster. Never mind it was them who insisted Eberflus needed to come back for another year.

Obviously there is more to it than that. Just watch the profound difference in athleticism between the players they selected and the better players that went subsequently. Darnell Wrong vs. Jalen Carter? Are you kidding me? That’s the obvious one but I’d also like to submit Rome Odunze as the least twitchy wide receiver drafted in the first round since Treylon Burks. And I don’t even know how far before Burks you’d have to go to find another one on Odunze’s level.


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How do you play on the O-line as a player and not recognize talent on the O-line? I think the punter pick last year wrapped up him being a terrible GM.

Arm chair psychology…he was never quite good enough to get to an NFL roster and has feelings of inadequacy that manifest in him giving bubble guys - like he viewed himself - more opportunities than warranted so that he can live vicariously through their success and prove to himself he’d have had an NFL career if only given a chance after which he he’ll feel as though he has made it and that feeling runs so deep he can’t even recognize his failures despite the same story playing out repeatedly such that he’ll take a project lineman from fucking Yale in the third round and what the fuck, I mean what the actual fuck, with the only hope being that he stumbled his way into the first overall pick and a QB that may or may not define his actual career which should trigger a light bulb that he needs to be more rational, less lady like and roster a professional caliber OL, which may give him enough of a push to get over the idea that he can have great success in the career he has and maybe not the one he dreamed about that he thinks he never had a fair shot at and I’m running out of wind here so if you’re somehow still reading this why and what’s wrong with you.


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Seems Poles realized that he would have to defer to Johnson on player procurement in order to maintain his employment.

I am fine with that given his horrible ability to identify NFL level talent on the offensive line and his idiotic approach to player development.

Envision the draft going something like this, Poles seeing one of the athletic dudes with zero college production that he loves and starting to fill out the draft card only to have Johnson snatch the card from his hands and turn in a card for a physical dude that dominated at the college level, and then Poles being told to go find the kids phone number so Johnson can call him.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Cashman wrote:
How do you play on the O-line as a player and not recognize talent on the O-line? I think the punter pick last year wrapped up him being a terrible GM.

Arm chair psychology…he was never quite good enough to get to an NFL roster and has feelings of inadequacy that manifest in him giving bubble guys - like he viewed himself - more opportunities than warranted so that he can live vicariously through their success and prove to himself he’d have had an NFL career if only given a chance after which he he’ll feel as though he has made it and that feeling runs so deep he can’t even recognize his failures despite the same story playing out repeatedly such that he’ll take a project lineman from fucking Yale in the third round and what the fuck, I mean what the actual fuck, with the only hope being that he stumbled his way into the first overall pick and a QB that may or may not define his actual career which should trigger a light bulb that he needs to be more rational, less lady like and roster a professional caliber OL, which may give him enough of a push to get over the idea that he can have great success in the career he has and maybe not the one he dreamed about that he thinks he never had a fair shot at and I’m running out of wind here so if you’re somehow still reading this why and what’s wrong with you.





Poles should have been launched plain and simple. There’s just too many failures all across the board from trades, FA signings, coaching hires, and the draft.. just way too many. It’s simply wild he still has a job after last years collapse.

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Darnell Wrong vs. Jalen Carter? Are you kidding me?




I think it’s pretty obvious at this point I am RP’s biggest critic on this board.. but you can’t act like the only reason Carter isn’t here is simply because they thought Wright was the better player. There was a huge red flag hanging around Jalen Carter’s neck in the form of possibly being charged in connection with an incident that resulted in the deaths of a couple of people.. not how good he was at football.


He wasn’t even supposed to get anywhere near the Bears draft position without that little misnomer. He slid past many more teams than the Bears and at that time it was the right call. Hindsight only works if you leave that out.

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Darnell Wrong vs. Jalen Carter? Are you kidding me?




I think it’s pretty obvious at this point I am RP’s biggest critic on this board.. but you can’t act like the only reason Carter isn’t here is simply because they thought Wright was the better player. There was a huge red flag hanging around Jalen Carter’s neck in the form of possibly being charged in connection with an incident that resulted in the deaths of a couple of people.. not how good he was at football.


He wasn’t even supposed to get anywhere near the Bears draft position without that little misnomer. He slid past many more teams than the Bears and at that time it was the right call. Hindsight only works if you leave that out.


This, as well as all the hooting and hollering about drafting for the o-line. Then they go and do it and everyone still complains.

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Envision the draft going something like this, Poles seeing one of the athletic dudes with zero college production that he loves and starting to fill out the draft card only to have Johnson snatch the card from his hands and turn in a card for a physical dude that dominated at the college level, and then Poles being told to go find the kids phone number so Johnson can call him.





Sounds about right. It’s strange to me how similar Pace and Poles are and how most of their mistakes mirror one another.

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This, as well as all the hooting and hollering about drafting for the o-line. Then they go and do it and everyone still complains.





Yeah if I’m being honest I didn’t (and don’t) have an issue with the Wright pick. I think with the right scheme and coaching he’ll be fine.

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You took a third round talent at tenth overall when Warren Sapp was sitting there right for the taking. The only reason its not looked on worse is because there’s so many other terrible moves to fret over.


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You took a third round talent at tenth overall when Warren Sapp was sitting there right for the taking. The only reason its not looked on worse is because there’s so many other terrible moves to fret over.




Keep ignoring his potential legal troubles at that time and the fact that like 10 other teams passed on him too.



Poles is an easy target, but passing on Carter at that time was at least understandable.

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Clawmaster wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
NME wrote:
Juiced wrote:

If they don't get Dalman then these moves look even worse. Moving Jackson to C or drafting a rookie C, I hope is not the plan. Sign Dalman, draft a couple OL in the draft and then I am on board.



Agreed on Dalman. Young established player who could be a cornerstone for the next 5-7 years at a key position. Those are the pitches you swing at.



They need to be parked across the street from Dalman's house at midnight like Lovie did with Peppers.


Singing Dalman would show that Johnson is the true GM for this team as it would be a radical departure from the way Ryan Poles has approached roster construction.

One could argue that Ryan Poles has ruined the development of one QB and greatly impacted the development of a second QB because he lacks the ability to recognize offensive line talent, and feels you do not need to invest draft capital or cap room into the center position. He also does not recognize coaching talent, how else can you explain the OC and O line coaching hires.

It seems Ben Johson is running the show now and that is a good thing given the lack of production from the GM position over the past few years.


I just hope that someone in the Bear's coaching staff knows how to teach a quarterback how to create space for himself to throw the football. It appears that so far they are making progress finally to build toward a decent offensive line which certainly a significant factor to have a good offense. But the 64 dollar question still is, does Williams have the instinct and talent to move in the pocket and make the throws necessary to keep drives alive and score points? We still don't know what the guy's upside is.

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They blame it on player development and Darth Eberflus who is now their convenient scapegoat for all their myriad catastrophes across the roster. Never mind it was them who insisted Eberflus needed to come back for another year.

Obviously there is more to it than that. Just watch the profound difference in athleticism between the players they selected and the better players that went subsequently. Darnell Wrong vs. Jalen Carter? Are you kidding me? That’s the obvious one but I’d also like to submit Rome Odunze as the least twitchy wide receiver drafted in the first round since Treylon Burks. And I don’t even know how far before Burks you’d have to go to find another one on Odunze’s level.



I think Odunze had a pretty solid rookie year.

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How do you play on the O-line as a player and not recognize talent on the O-line? I think the punter pick last year wrapped up him being a terrible GM.

Arm chair psychology…he was never quite good enough to get to an NFL roster and has feelings of inadequacy that manifest in him giving bubble guys - like he viewed himself - more opportunities than warranted so that he can live vicariously through their success and prove to himself he’d have had an NFL career if only given a chance after which he he’ll feel as though he has made it and that feeling runs so deep he can’t even recognize his failures despite the same story playing out repeatedly such that he’ll take a project lineman from fucking Yale in the third round and what the fuck, I mean what the actual fuck, with the only hope being that he stumbled his way into the first overall pick and a QB that may or may not define his actual career which should trigger a light bulb that he needs to be more rational, less lady like and roster a professional caliber OL, which may give him enough of a push to get over the idea that he can have great success in the career he has and maybe not the one he dreamed about that he thinks he never had a fair shot at and I’m running out of wind here so if you’re somehow still reading this why and what’s wrong with you.


:lol: Did the period key on your keyboard break?



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I think Odunze had a pretty solid rookie year.

So did Treylon Burks. He just did not look the part, I think he’ll get worse as time goes on.


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Envision the draft going something like this, Poles seeing one of the athletic dudes with zero college production that he loves and starting to fill out the draft card only to have Johnson snatch the card from his hands and turn in a card for a physical dude that dominated at the college level, and then Poles being told to go find the kids phone number so Johnson can call him.





Sounds about right. It’s strange to me how similar Pace and Poles are and how most of their mistakes mirror one another.

They have similar results of making bad picks, but they approached the draft very differently. Pace couldn't trade away his picks fast enough to move up draft positions. Poles has not done that, but he has certainly made bad picks like Pace.

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