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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 1/16
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:39 pm 
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Turnovers are ramdom events, & most of the time they happen not because the D player caused the turnover, but rather the ballcarrier just loses the handle.
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Wow. :shock:


Believe it or not, that's actually mostly true.


Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 1/16
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:49 pm 
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The focus of a Defense should be to tackle & keep the opponent out of the end zone. Defenses that prioritize turnovers are usually lousy tackling Defenses, which the Bears are.
If the Bears want to score more points, rather than depend on the Defense to force tuenovers, a better plan is to have a better Offense more capable of scoring.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 1/16
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:45 pm 
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Isn't the Lovie Smith experiment just about over? Now that the Bears finally have a legitimate pro bowl QB, it is about time the Bears act like a big time organization & hire a proven head coach who can put together a staff of assistants, a game plan, & someone who doesnt treat the fans like they are dumb fucks.
Why do the Bears always hire first time head coaches? Wanny, Jauron, Lovie...I am sick of it.

The Bears deserve one of the following coaches:

Bill Cowher
Jon Gruden
Mike Shanahan


You forgot to mention Ditka on your list of first time Head Coaches.....


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 1/16
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:25 pm 
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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Again, the coaches cannot be blamed for last night's debacle. Ron Turner isn't throwing passes, and Lovie smith isn't running incorrect routes.

If anything, the blame should be mostly on Cutler and the O-line.


You cant be serious. Ron Turner called the plays, which included 2 passes to Olsen, & none to Forte. Turner must have pictures of someone in the Bears organization.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 1/16
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:28 pm 
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Omiyale was a doormat.
Dez Clark, run a fucking route! Are you too old to run to the corner of the end zone?
Cutler, mistakes a plenty, but some nice plays too.
Mannely, nice call douchebag.
Hester isnt as bad as a lot thought.
Earl Bennett looked good.
To all the assholes (yes, you John Kirk) that thinks Urlacher is worthless, be careful what you wish for.
Overcoming 3 early picks, getting no turnovers and having Vasher on field and still a close game. D played well.
Oh and Aaron Rodgers is not Joe Montana, can the ESPN jerk offs see that now??


When did I call Urlacher worthless??? I'm not gonna go back through all of my posts...I'll let you do that...but I can almost guarantee that I never called Urlacher worthless.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 1/16
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:38 pm 
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Isn't the Lovie Smith experiment just about over? Now that the Bears finally have a legitimate pro bowl QB, it is about time the Bears act like a big time organization & hire a proven head coach who can put together a staff of assistants, a game plan, & someone who doesnt treat the fans like they are dumb fucks.
Why do the Bears always hire first time head coaches? Wanny, Jauron, Lovie...I am sick of it.

The Bears deserve one of the following coaches:

Bill Cowher
Jon Gruden
Mike Shanahan


You forgot to mention Ditka on your list of first time Head Coaches.....


Ditka was the right guy at the right time. He was the guy the Bears wanted. Wanny, Jauron & Lovie were all the wrong guy...and Jauron & Lovie were both the Bears second choice.
Obviously, Ditkas success speaks for itself. Wanny, Jauron & Lovies failures speak for them selves.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 1/16
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ib, correct me if i'm wrong but you just referred to the packers as one of the best teams in the nfc but didn't you say their defense would still suck and predict them to miss the playoffs?

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 1/16
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Why? This doesn't look good for the Bears.

The defense is headed towards another season of suck, and I've never been that impressed by Forte or Olsen. Cutler will throw some TDs, but he's going to be running for his life pretty frequently if the offensive line doesn't regain its quickness off the ball. This is depressing....talk me off the ledge, IB. :(


Maybe I was watching a different game, but the pass protection was pretty decent. Run-blocking was the problem, especially on the inside, but the pass protection was OK for the amount of blitzing GB was doing. The offense left 11 points in the red zone, and they handed the Packers their first TD. The defense something like 225 yards of total offense, 50 of which was on the one unfortunate play; GB isn't a great rushing team, but they really couldn't do anything. Some of those things are going to regress, especially on defense, in absence or Urlacher, but you just played a game where the QB threw three INTs, including a functional pick-6, on the road against one of the better teams in the NFC and you were leading with a minute and a half to play. And, as Tillman and Bowman get healthier and can play full games (assuming they stay healthy, which might be a big assumption) the defensive backfield will improve.

The things that were bad tend to be high-variance, fluky types of things (turnover, red-zone production), and the things they did well are more significant over time.


IB you and I were watching the same game. I know Cutler was bad and Vasher gave up the big play but there is a lot to be optimistic about. The defense played great just like I though they would. They did this against a Packers offense that shredded every defense they played against in the preseason. They were aggressive and kept the Packers off balance all game even though they played most of the game with 30% of there starters on the sidelines because of injuries. In 1 game we all saw why a change needed to be made at D-coordinator. I expect the defense to be good even without Urlacher and I don't expect the offense to play terrible the rest of the season. They will gel by Week 4 and we will start to see some really exciting football.


I really think it's an exaggeration to say that the entire defense played great. In reality, much of the defense's success was a product of Ogunleye's ability to dominate Green Bay's right tackle. Ogunleye pressured Rodgers all night, and that's what caused him to panic and miss his receivers, who were open on quite a few potentially big plays. The problem, though, is that Ogunleye's dominance was an anomaly--he's not going to have another game like that for the rest of the season. But the inability of the rest of the defensive line to pressure Rodgers was not an anomaly. They appear to be the same group of inept pass rushers they've always been and were invisible for most of the game. Given this scenario, it appears the Bears will again have to rely on a steady diet of blitzes to augment the pass rush. And that, as we already know, is a recipe for disaster.

As for the improved defensive coordination, I agree that some of the Bears blitzes, in particular, were much more thoughtfully conceived and more sharply executed than in the past. But some of their schemes are so obvious and ineffective that they will eventually get killed on them if they keep running them.

On offense, I remain concerned about the offensive line's lack of explosiveness off the snap--and the fact that Forte didn't appear to be running with any ferocity or urgency. He's more effective as a receiver than he is as a ball carrier.

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