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A Question of Trust
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Cedric Benson is in the news, once again. This time he left the sideline early during a preseason game. Big deal, right?

Well, in a way, it is a big deal. Not because he violated team rules. Certainly not because of the importance of the game or even because it was necessary that he be there. Not even because Benson didn't stick around to support his teammates, though perhaps this does get closer to the heart matter. It's a big deal because his teammates were the ones that ratted him out to head coach Lovie Smith.

Ordinarily with a young player, particularly with an arrogant one, you expect dumb mistakes. This one wasn't terribly surprising. You rarely hear about them because more senior team members take care of such things in house. So what would make Benson's teammates forego this route and go directly to Smith?

One reason may be that they didn't forego it. Its entirely possible that in this, the second preseason game, Benson was warned by teammates and they were ignored. Again, this wouldn't be terribly surprising. There is definitely a sense of entitlement in Benson and a serious streak of immaturity. "Why does everyone hate me? Why isn't everyone my friend? Why do they like Thomas Jones better than me? The draft process is degrading. I could have gotten more money if I'd represented myself. Now I'm underpaid." These are some of the classic Bensonisms that we've said or implied by him over the last year.

But immature rookies in the NFL aren't really new. Most get patience from teammates. At minimum they are ignored. Does even this really explain the depth of the dislike, even hatred, that Benson's teammates seem to feel? Does even this explain why they apparently went out of their way to make contact with him whenever they could in training camp? What would make veteran players do this to a guy who is so obviously talented and who so obviously has the potential to help them a great deal on the field? Isn't that really the bottom line?

I have a theory and I admit up front that its pure speculation. It has to do with what happened the last game of the 2005 season. This was, for all practical purposes, a meaningless contest to the Bears, who had clinched a spot in the playoffs. Benson had been hurt but was on the mend. Thomas Jones wasn't going to play and this was going to be his game to shine.

There are two facts about this game that are undeniable. 1) Benson played very well and showed no apprent effects from the injury. 2) He started the week saying that he couldn't play and had to actually be talked into it by offensive coordinator Ron Turner.

Put yourself in Brian Urlacher's place. Benson had to be talked into playing by his offensive coordinator. He had to actually be talked into it. Can you imagine? Can you imagine you had a teammate who said something like the following: "Why should I have to play the last game of the season if Jones doesn't? Why should I risk my body to save his? I've already been hurt and now its too late to accumulate any impressive stats. My season is over. Maybe I'll see you in the playoffs when everyone is watching. Otherwise, I'll see you next year." Yes, this would explain allot. This would, indeed, cause me to want to hit someone. I'd want to beat him like a drum.

I don't doubt that Cedric Benson will work hard enough and I don't doubt that he'll perform on the field as long as its to his benefit. But I have serious doubt that he'll perform on the field when there's a chance it may not seem to be to his benefit. In short, unlike a guy like Thomas Jones, Benson is highly unlikely to take one for the team and the guess here is that the team knows it. As it was so well put by Mike Mulligan of the Chicago Sun-Times:

Leaving a preseason game doesn't deserve a death sentence. It doesn't mean Benson is going to get caught with a corked helmet or miss a game after a violent sneeze. But it makes you wonder if he gets it and just how much you want to trust him.

The way I see it, this is the one issue for professional football players that trumps performance on the field. You can hold out for a good contract. You can feel sorry for yourself and play the victim. You can make silly comments to the press. When you hit the field its got to be team first or not at all. Talent is all well and good and its evident that Benson has it. But does it matter if you can't trust it to be there when you need it in the trenches?

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You knew right when they drafted him, right in that post-interview- that this guy was a prick, pompous, headcase fuck. I hope Thomas Jones rushes for 2000 yards this season and Benson is put to 3rd running back behind Adrian Peterson. (At least we know Peterson puts the work in for his Russell athletic commercials..) What a joke, bench him.


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What a joke, bench him.


Dude, that's EXACTLY what his goal is. Sit on the sidelines on gamedays, do some weights and cardio during the week, maybe play a couple of practice snaps and call his bank and financial advisors daily to watch his net worth grow.


I stand corrected. Make him play special teams, punts, onside kicks, kickoffs. Not as a returner, as a blocker. Put him on the practice squad, embarass him.. What a waste this guy is.


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so another first round pick that turns out to be nothing?
you guys are pretty quick to give up on him.....

he's a spoiled skill position player who thinks because of his stats in College he's owed something??????

REALLY? the NFL hasn't had any of those before, have they?

it's too early.

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I don't think it's too early to write him off. Not many jags come into the league this way and then turn it around. They usually become bigger Jags. I don't see Benson changing his philosophy either. He is not learning from his mistakes.


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o.k.....
you guys have written him off.
so, let's all remember that later.

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is Mac giving up on Benson too, now or is he just spouting on about #1 picks.

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
o.k.....
you guys have written him off.
so, let's all remember that later.


For the record, I haven't given up on him. I just don't like him and I just don't trust him. But there's always a chance he'll grow up and change my mind.

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
so another first round pick that turns out to be nothing?
you guys are pretty quick to give up on him.....

he's a spoiled skill position player who thinks because of his stats in College he's owed something??????

REALLY? the NFL hasn't had any of those before, have they?

it's too early.



Doug, I'm with you. I think it's too early to write him off.

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Listen he might be a great RB one day. For now he needs to shut the fck up, stand on the sidelines and watch Thomas Jones run for 2000 yards. We don't need guys who aren't team players, that is the very definition of what this Bears team is all about... Team. To quote James Woods, for benson "There's no team in I" .


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Lawrence just had a good clip on B&B with Benson who said he was just going to shut up about things. Maybe he's learning.


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"There's no team in I" .


yeah, but there is a "ME"
Now, give me the damn ball. 8)

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Lawrence just had a good clip on B&B with Benson who said he was just going to shut up about things. Maybe he's learning.


I refuse to believe the kid is stupid enough to start a T.O complex this early in his career, especially after coming off a season-ending injury.

Although, we ARE talking about the guy who brought the hold-out back into style.


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hawkeye wrote:
Lawrence just had a good clip on B&B with Benson who said he was just going to shut up about things. Maybe he's learning.


I don't think its what he's saying that's particularly the problem here. I've read every quote pretty closely because, frankly, I don't like the guy. But even I would have to say that I haven't read anything all that far out of the ordinary for a young and somewhat arrogant rookie.

This goes way beyond the common situation. He's doen something. I dont' know for sure what it is but something has made the guys on that team deeply dislike him. At least as deeply as Cade McNown. Probably more.

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I would have to see what the linemen do in the game to say it's worse than McNown. I saw the Bears linemen become turnstiles in the Tampa Bay game.


Point well taken.

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This goes way beyond the common situation. He's doen something. I dont' know for sure what it is but something has made the guys on that team deeply dislike him. At least as deeply as Cade McNown. Probably more.


Well part of the "dislike" for Benson probably has to do with the popular Rosenhaus players orchestrating the ostracization of Benson. Like you say, Benson hasn't been particularly obnoxious, so I don't think the disproportionate negative reaction to Benson can be understood apart from the Rosenhaus-Jones connection.


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You think Rosenhaus is that powerful where he can cause a whole team to hate one guy? Not a chance. This one is all on Cedric.


You think this one is "all on Cedric"? Not a chance. Benson has definitely done things to alienate teammates, but the reaction has been disproportionate. From what I understand, Jones, Briggs and Ogunleye are three of the most popular guys on the team--and they're all Rosenhaus guys. If you don't think Rosenhaus has them working together to ostracize Benson, you're being naive.


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I'm not saying Benson is blameless, but I do believe Rosenhaus is stirring the pot here.

He tried to get Jones traded, failed to do so, and is now facilitating a campaign against Benson.


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You think this one is "all on Cedric"? Not a chance. Benson has definitely done things to alienate teammates, but the reaction has been disproportionate.


Depends on what he did. Its only disproportionate to what we know.

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Depends on what he did. Its only disproportionate to what we know.


Given that Benson's teammates seem more than willing to leak his indiscretions to the media, I think it's logical to assume that we know exactly what he's done. If his behavior were more egregious, we would've heard about it by now.


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