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Forte is in the last year of his rookie contract and is scheduled to receive 555K this year.

I completely support his holdout, if he does. We all know that his market value is much, much more than 555 K.

We also know he would be cut or be asked to renegotiate if he was a 2nd string running back making 4 million dollars per year. So why shouldn't his contract be renegotiaged or extended if he has outplayed his draft position? This is not about honoring a contract. NFL teams don't honor their contracts so why should the players? How say you?

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He's nothing special. I don't think he knows that. I think Martz does, however.

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Even with the new agreement, I would always hold out in the NFL. It didn't change much. The next play could be your last. All guaranteed money is up front. Do it Matt. But I need you to run/catch for 2500 afterwards. :D

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I don't think he should holdout. The Bears have acknowledged they need to do something with him and will soon.

If was really smart he woulds report and if things dont go well, then sit out before game 1

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I don't think he should holdout. The Bears have acknowledged they need to do something with him and will soon.

If was really smart he woulds report and if things dont go well, then sit out before game 1


When has a player come to camp, participated in everything, but held out before game one?

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Still don't understand the love for this guy. Goes well beyond not getting carries early last year. The carries he did get were pathetic, and not because of poor blocking. He looked totally not interested and was running with no authority. I thought he was done.

But to his credit, he came back like a man possessed. And overall the night and day season last year leaves more questions in my mind. Maybe just a slow starter, I dont know. Still hate his running style.

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Forte is in the last year of his rookie contract and is scheduled to receive 555K this year.

I completely support his holdout, if he does. We all know that his market value is much, much more than 555 K.

We also know he would be cut or be asked to renegotiate if he was a 2nd string running back making 4 million dollars per year. So why shouldn't his contract be renegotiaged or extended if he has outplayed his draft position? This is not about honoring a contract. NFL teams don't honor their contracts so why should the players? How say you?

I believe the system is perfect.

If a player is special enough, a holdout will work. If he's not, it wont.


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I believe he deserves a raise. I don't believe he's a top 5 running back as the numbers suggest.

I know he's a receiving threat but let me point out that Forte has a total of 8 one hundred yard rushing games in his career and three of those came against Detroit.

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I believe he deserves a raise. I don't believe he's a top 5 running back as the numbers suggest.

I know he's a receiving threat but let me point out that Forte has a total of 8 one hundred yard rushing games in his career and three of those came against Detroit.


Good points. I'd toss him some guaranteed money and give him another 3 years, hopefully no
more than 4. You never know about these RB's they get ground up more and more each year.
Love his hands out of the backfield and if we can get some improved line play we may see a
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I believe he deserves a raise. I don't believe he's a top 5 running back as the numbers suggest.

I know he's a receiving threat but let me point out that Forte has a total of 8 one hundred yard rushing games in his career and three of those came against Detroit.


Not anymore, their DL is going to be a beast.

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Forte is in the last year of his rookie contract and is scheduled to receive 555K this year.

I completely support his holdout, if he does. We all know that his market value is much, much more than 555 K.

We also know he would be cut or be asked to renegotiate if he was a 2nd string running back making 4 million dollars per year. So why shouldn't his contract be renegotiaged or extended if he has outplayed his draft position? This is not about honoring a contract. NFL teams don't honor their contracts so why should the players? How say you?

I believe the system is perfect.

If a player is special enough, a holdout will work. If he's not, it wont.


hmmmm- I never really thought of it that way. But the system does put the player at a disadvantage since holdouts are usually unpopular even if warranted and the fines are substantial. Teams never receive any flak if they cut an underperformer or force someone to renegotiate.

I think Forte is an average starting running back but he is still underpaid. I think a 3-year extension with a nice guaranteed chunk upfront would be good for both sides.

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He's nothing special. I don't think he knows that. I think Martz does, however.

He should be making more then Chester Taylor at least and he's not. I can see why he would threaten a hold out.

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He's nothing special. I don't think he knows that. I think Martz does, however.

He should be making more then Chester Taylor at least and he's not. I can see why he would threaten a hold out.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
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He's nothing special. I don't think he knows that. I think Martz does, however.

He should be making more then Chester Taylor at least and he's not. I can see why he would threaten a hold out.

You should be making more than Chester Taylor. What the hell happened to him?

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Matt Forte IS the Bears' offense, or a big chunk of it. There's no question that Forte deserves a significant pay increase, but holding out as he has threatened to do isn't a smart idea.


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SHARK, i hear that part of the reason for Forte's hold out is that he wants to wear #34 next year for the Bears.

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Matt Forte IS the Bears' offense, or a big chunk of it. There's no question that Forte deserves a significant pay increase, but holding out as he has threatened to do isn't a smart idea.


It is a good idea for the exact reason in your post above. He's a huge part of the offense. One play and his career could be over and he certainly hasn't made enough to live out his days.

He'll hold out, the Bears will pay him as they should and we'll all be fine

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i hope the bears act like a smart professional football team and tell forte no new deal, forte is nothing special and backs are a dime a dozen. like i said when urlacher threatened to hold out..do not re up this guy..the new agreement calls for a 30k dollar a day fine for any hold out..forte will come to camp regardless of a new deal or not. in my opinion never spend big money on a back.

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i hope the bears act like a smart professional football team and tell forte no new deal, forte is nothing special and backs are a dime a dozen. like i said when urlacher threatened to hold out..do not re up this guy..the new agreement calls for a 30k dollar a day fine for any hold out..forte will come to camp regardless of a new deal or not. in my opinion never spend big money on a back.

Truth be told, you bring up a very valid point. NFL running backs don't last that long. Ask Terrell Davis, not to mention Gale Sayers. Both of these backs' careers were cut short due to injury.


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i hope the bears act like a smart professional football team and tell forte no new deal, forte is nothing special and backs are a dime a dozen. like i said when urlacher threatened to hold out..do not re up this guy..the new agreement calls for a 30k dollar a day fine for any hold out..forte will come to camp regardless of a new deal or not. in my opinion never spend big money on a back.

Yeah they could just resign Whoopi Goldberg because he was really making the chains move when he was out there.

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Matt Forte is just a guy. He is an average RB at the easiest position to fill in the NFL. The Bears don't need to over compensate Forte.

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Bring back Garrett Wolfe!

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Who has said anything about over compensating? Chester Taylor makes more than him. He's better than Chester Taylor.

In Teddy KGB fashion, pay him, pay that man his money.

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I liked it better when Ajent made the joke. :P

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I liked it better when Ajent made the joke. :P



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The numbers are there, but he is also the focus of the offense. You have to pay the guy, but I still question what happened last year with him being a night and day runner in the first and second half of the year. Part of that could be line cohesion and changes that Tice made, but he looked totally uninterested and was not running with authority. I had enough of him diving to the ground after someone swiped his trailing leg. And then he became a force in the second half of the season. So I don't know what to think.

Ultimately I don't want to see a five year deal with the miles he already has racked up.

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Matt Forte in camp with hope of deal

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BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- Matt Forte arrived at the Chicago Bears camp on Friday with a clear message from Bears general manager Jerry Angelo.

"He told me a deal will get done," Forte said Friday evening. "He said I'm a priority of his. What that means, hopefully that means soon. I mean, there's no telling with them. But to me priority means soon."

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Entering the final year of his rookie contract, Forte has made no secret about his desire to sign a long-term extension with the Bears. Earlier in the week, when talks appeared to be progressing at a slow rate, the running back contemplated a training camp holdout. But the running back reported to Bears camp Friday morning with the understanding a new contract was in the works.

"It [holding out] was a consideration," Forte said. "I had to weigh my options and stuff. I thought about it. But like I said before, it never benefits a player or a team for somebody to hold out. I kind of got my mind put to ease by Jerry, he had been in talks with my agent since the end of the lockout and even before that. He kind of said a deal would get done. He assured us repeatedly a deal will get done. Where I'm from and how I was raised, when somebody gives you their word, that goes a long way."

Since entering the NFL in 2008 as a second-round pick out of Tulane, Forte ranks fifth in the NFL in yards from scrimmage (4,731), behind Chris Johnson, Minnesota's Adrian Peterson, Jacksonville's Maurice Jones-Drew and St. Louis' Steven Jackson.

Add in Forte's 294 yards from the 2010 postseason, and Forte ranks fourth among all active running backs over the past three years in yards from scrimmage (5,025) behind Peterson (5,643), Johnson (5,606) and Baltimore's Ray Rice (5,038).

Yet Forte is scheduled to earn $550,000 in base salary in the final year of his rookie contract, while his primary backup, Chester Taylor, pocketed $7 million in 2010 in the first year of a $12.5 million contract, and is set earn $1.25 million in 2011.

Forte ranks seventh in franchise history in career rushing yards (3,236), and last season became the first player in Bears history to gain at least 1,400 yards from scrimmage in each of his first three seasons.

So, realistically, the statistics indicate Forte has outperformed his rookie contract. Of the 2008 draft class of running backs, only Johnson and Rice have more yards from scrimmage than Forte, and only Johnson has scored more touchdowns (38 to Forte's 25). Yet as valuable as he's proven to be, Forte simply isn't an immediate priority for a team looking to bolster a weak offensive line and sign its own free agents and draft picks, in addition to filling various holes in the roster.


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