Nick Foles will be marginally better than Mitch, but he's going to work with the same problems Mitch had
1) turnstyles as an offensive line
2) no running game
3) a coach more interested in running his system then coaching to the talent he has

They're missing the playoffs in 2020...time to face that reality. Pace has no scapegoats as everything was built on his picks.

He's getting fired.

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If that scenario plays out, and Pace is fired, do you think Nagy is retained?

The way Nagy talked about Mitch during the offseason was pretty telling. He basically said Mitch wasn't real good at reading defenses and didn't know the playbook, quite a change from the excuses they made for him during the season. Nagy seemed to understand that Mitch's lack of ability was making his offense and him as a play caller look terrible. Guessing Nagy's decided if he wanted to stay employed as a head coach in the NFL he needed to bring in a QB that he felt could run his system. The thing that makes absolutely no sense from an organizational sense is that they did not take a developmental QB in the draft.

Good points.

Yes....Nagy will have 2 years left on his contract. Pace only 1. As dumb as this seems, I think Nagy is in better favor with the McClaskeys right now than Pace.

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Well, kind of hard to invest in a developmental QB when the GM uses draft picks to bid against himself in deals. Also, when the Bears are ready to draft a QB, the selection-process should probably happen without Pace's knowledge or input.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

So we miss on Marino and Mahomes.

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GO BEARS!!!

Props to Brad Biggs for being way ahead of everyone else as far as Mitch goes. He was skeptical of the "Mitch is our starter" press conference from day 1.

I wish Pace had been skeptical of that mantra three years ago when he plucked him from a basketball school.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Because if he's your backup, you really can't risk playing him. It's what happened to RGIII with the Redskins.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Not picking Holmes was understandable. Even picking Mitch wasn't seen as the worst move at the time. Though I wanted Watson. Trading up is what has really made this such a disaster. The 49rs also drafted a bust but got multiple picks out of the Bears to do it.

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I want to agree, but.....Mitch's lack of resume was very obvious. UNC not a big football school and limited starts. Yes there were plenty that were high on Mitch as a draft pick, but there was enough skepticism where Pace should have accepted the known risks and picked elsewhere......moving up to get him is the biggest problem, but I'm sorry....even picking him 3rd overall....you better be damn sure he's gonna it.
He didn't. Bust.

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I literally had it before Biggs and you all mocked me.

I was 100% right.

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I'm hoping it's an actual battle for the starting job. Is Foles any better than Mitch? Maybe in stretches, but he's been very up and down in his career.

What are you right about?

If the Bears finish 6-10 next season (assuming there is one), and the QB position is as uncertain as it is now, I think Pace will lose his job (say 60%).

Pace and Nagy are long gone if they go 6-10.

Gil Brandt, Kiper and McShay all had Mitch the #1 QB in that draft.

My biggest red flag with Mitch was he could not be out a guy who did not make an NFL roster after he left UNC.

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Everything I posted during the end of season press conference.

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GO BEARS!!!

Nas spent three years being dead wrong about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky before he was right about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for like two hours.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Mitch may be a nice guy, but he doesn't come across as the brightest guy in the world. The fact that they kept giving him books to read on leadership tells me that they recognized he lacked insight early on in his career. How in the hell could Pace sit down and interview this guy and walk away so impressed that he chooses not to talk to Watson? It really says more about Pace and the Bears "braintrust" than Mitch. Foles may come in and put up competent numbers just by recognizing what the defense gives you and executing the offense, but you still do not have a franchise QB on the roster and have not confidence that Pace and his staff will be able to recognize one in next years draft.

This doesn't have much to do with trading up to get him. IF he was successful, that would have been taken as a necessary means to obtain him.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

It never would have been seen as neccessary.

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To me that this entire thing is about Pace and Nagy. Pace more importantly for his failure to put the talent on offense together, namely an offensive line. Mahomes is probably the only NFL quarterback out there who could move this offense and that is because of his great ability to move around and improvise throws from different angles. Maybe Wilson as another guy but the list is pretty short.

As for Nagy, he clearly has failed also to formulate an offense which takes into consideration the miserable people he has in the offensive line and the talents that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky does have. He totally has wasted the considerable talent that Cohen has and his stupid reliance of gadget plays for key downs has failed miserably.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

This is so true. After 2018 I expected so much more from him in 2019.... instead he just totally faded away.

Maybe the new O-line coach can at least get one of Leno or Massie right. Its a lot easier to scheme around one bad tackle than it is two. You guys were rolling Coward out there at RG weren't you? I have to think Ifedi is going to be an upgrade if he can keep his penalties under control. It is strange they didn't address at least one of the tackles but Denver did the same thing and their tackle situation is about as bad.

Do you expect the defense to be better than last season? I think they're going to be better with a healthy Hicks. I don't think Clinton-Dix is going to be that big a loss. He wasn't good in Washington when Cooley was grading him so if he played better it was probably due to the front 7.

I think you're right about Nagy. His scheme doesn't do the defense any favors.

Our defense will definitely be better than last season. Healthy Hicks. Signing Robert Quinn. Enough said.

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Pace fired.
Nagy gets one more you. Highly unlikely they'll fire Nagy with 2 years left on contract.

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Could happen. Giants fired Shurmur with 3 years left on his.