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This thread has had ten different people post here and its added three pages in barely an hour. Its not the NFL season, and this talk is largely about a stadium.

Just goes to show that you can talk any NFL subject at any time of the year and it will dominate.

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The interest in the Jets tapered off enormously after they vacated Shea Stadium. No one really gives a ahit about them since they left New York.

LOL no one gave a shit about them when they were IN New York.


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One thing I would keep and eye out for if I were the Bears and moved to Arlington Heights would be the possibility for a real push to get a Chicago AFC team in Soldier Field. I think that would be great and two teams could absolutely co-exist.


That won't likely happen. The Bears have an arrangement that an NFL team can't be within 50 miles of where they are playing.


I wonder how they calculate. Arlington Heights is 36 miles driving distance from the loop. Take the closest spot of that property and it would be pretty close to 50 for soldier field. Definitely a legal argument to make if you are talking the front step of each stadium.

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If the NFL can make money on a second team in Chicago, whatever 50-mile rule they had will be history if the Bears build a football palace in Arlington Heights.


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I am sure the NFL would be very interested in moving a team such as the Jags into a completely NFL-ready stadium on the Chicago lakefront in a city more than large enough to support 2 teams.
There is no chance they move into Soldier Field as constructed now. They'd probably consider it if the city spent this nearly $2 billion on Soldier Field though but the question would be why not just let them also move it into Arlington Heights. The Bears are working with the NFL here and the NFL seemingly loves the idea of the Arlington Heights stadium. Why would they turn around and send another team to the stadium they were happy to have the Bears leave?

Because the NFL would get the domed stadium in Arlington Heights, a potential Super Bowl site, and get an under-performing AFC franchise out of Jacksonville into a stadium that is 100% NFL-ready in a beautiful location in an NFL-crazy city.

You have a higher opinion of Soldier Field than the NFL does.

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One thing I would keep and eye out for if I were the Bears and moved to Arlington Heights would be the possibility for a real push to get a Chicago AFC team in Soldier Field. I think that would be great and two teams could absolutely co-exist.


That won't likely happen. The Bears have an arrangement that an NFL team can't be within 50 miles of where they are playing.


I wonder how they calculate. Arlington Heights is 36 miles driving distance from the loop. Take the closest spot of that property and it would be pretty close to 50 for soldier field. Definitely a legal argument to make if you are talking the front step of each stadium.

Is the 50 mile enforceable legally?

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The interest in the Jets tapered off enormously after they vacated Shea Stadium. No one really gives a ahit about them since they left New York.

LOL no one gave a shit about them when they were IN New York.
:lol: :lol: But the Jets survived. In the suburbs. In a different state.

So will the Bears.

(I know the Giants did too, but they have won)

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The interest in the Jets tapered off enormously after they vacated Shea Stadium. No one really gives a ahit about them since they left New York.

LOL no one gave a shit about them when they were IN New York.


Not true. They were huge when they were "huge" for a time.

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Worry about the Mara Family.
Who's team does not play in the city or state of New York :lol: :lol:


Say whatever you want about Arlington Heights, but at least it's in Illinois. The New Jersey Giants are orphans.

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Soldier Field is a completely NFL-ready stadium on one of the most iconic beautiful sites in the league in maybe the most football-hungry city in America. OR they could continue to tarp off thousands of seats in Jacksonville, I'm sure that's a better option.


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This thread has had ten different people post here and its added three pages in barely an hour. Its not the NFL season, and this talk is largely about a stadium.

Just goes to show that you can talk any NFL subject at any time of the year and it will dominate.


Much like the Chicago Park District, it's not due to your "contributions" that's for sure. You're not even an effective troll with your dumbass. Leave that sort of shit to Nas or people that actually "know" what they are doing around here.

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If a domed stadium is sitting there in Chicago, how does the NFL stop a Jacksonville Jaguar from going there? Did they stop the Raiders?(They tried) Did they stop The Colts? I think there's possibilities. Chargers maybe.

They didn't try and stop the Raiders. They literally helped finance the stadium.

The Chargers got to move because they were moving into the new stadium already being built. I don't think the NFL was thrilled with that move but it's far different than building a brand new stadium.

They moved to LA and then back to Oakland. The courts decided that issue and probabl would have to decide it again. The NFL isn't all-powerful in that regard.
They are pretty powerful especially in a town where there already is a team. LA was a slightly different situation.

But keep on going with the idea that the Jags are going to jump into Soldier Field without a dome as the Bears are leaving it because it's not up to par for a modern day NFL stadium.

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The interest in the Jets tapered off enormously after they vacated Shea Stadium. No one really gives a ahit about them since they left New York.

LOL no one gave a shit about them when they were IN New York.
:lol: :lol: But the Jets survived. In the suburbs. In a different state.

So will the Bears.

(I know the Giants did too, but they have won)



Any odds as to whether either of them are actually familiar with the history of the Jets in New York? Doubt it seriously. I know Frank doesn't know shit.

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The interest in the Jets tapered off enormously after they vacated Shea Stadium. No one really gives a ahit about them since they left New York.

LOL no one gave a shit about them when they were IN New York.


Not true. They were huge when they were "huge" for a time.

I grew up in Jets/Giants territory - they Jets have never been "huge" (Super Bowl III is a bit before my time, but mid 70's on). The only blip I can remember was during the Sack Exchange years and even then they were never gonna match the Giants.


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The Missing Link wrote:
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The interest in the Jets tapered off enormously after they vacated Shea Stadium. No one really gives a ahit about them since they left New York.

LOL no one gave a shit about them when they were IN New York.
:lol: :lol: But the Jets survived. In the suburbs. In a different state.

So will the Bears.

(I know the Giants did too, but they have won)



Any odds as to whether either of them are actually familiar with the history of the Jets in New York? Doubt it seriously. I know Frank doesn't know shit.

Yeah i dont know anything about New York football compared to YOU.


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If a domed stadium is sitting there in Chicago, how does the NFL stop a Jacksonville Jaguar from going there? Did they stop the Raiders?(They tried) Did they stop The Colts? I think there's possibilities. Chargers maybe.

They didn't try and stop the Raiders. They literally helped finance the stadium.

The Chargers got to move because they were moving into the new stadium already being built. I don't think the NFL was thrilled with that move but it's far different than building a brand new stadium.

They moved to LA and then back to Oakland. The courts decided that issue and probabl would have to decide it again. The NFL isn't all-powerful in that regard.
They are pretty powerful especially in a town where there already is a team. LA was a slightly different situation.

But keep on going with the idea that the Jags are going to jump into Soldier Field without a dome as the Bears are leaving it because it's not up to par for a modern day NFL stadium.

I said with a $2 billion upgrade. If you can't keep up, exit the thread.

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Nardi wrote:
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If a domed stadium is sitting there in Chicago, how does the NFL stop a Jacksonville Jaguar from going there? Did they stop the Raiders?(They tried) Did they stop The Colts? I think there's possibilities. Chargers maybe.

They didn't try and stop the Raiders. They literally helped finance the stadium.

The Chargers got to move because they were moving into the new stadium already being built. I don't think the NFL was thrilled with that move but it's far different than building a brand new stadium.

They moved to LA and then back to Oakland. The courts decided that issue and probabl would have to decide it again. The NFL isn't all-powerful in that regard.
They are pretty powerful especially in a town where there already is a team. LA was a slightly different situation.

But keep on going with the idea that the Jags are going to jump into Soldier Field without a dome as the Bears are leaving it because it's not up to par for a modern day NFL stadium.

I said with a $2 billion upgrade. If you can't keep up, exit the thread.

that stadium doesnt need a 2 billion dollar upgrade to be home for an AFC team if the Bears have a new domed stadium in Arlington Heights. Keep it an outdoor stadium and update it accordingly.


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man of few opinions wrote:
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The interest in the Jets tapered off enormously after they vacated Shea Stadium. No one really gives a ahit about them since they left New York.

LOL no one gave a shit about them when they were IN New York.
:lol: :lol: But the Jets survived. In the suburbs. In a different state.

So will the Bears.

(I know the Giants did too, but they have won)



Any odds as to whether either of them are actually familiar with the history of the Jets in New York? Doubt it seriously. I know Frank doesn't know shit.

Yeah i dont know anything about New York football compared to YOU.



Your "analysis" as to why the Jets moved is stupid. Though Frank does happen to support it, which only makes the "thought" even dumber. Jets moved because of Stadium issues. Not lack of fan interest.

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Nardi wrote:
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If a domed stadium is sitting there in Chicago, how does the NFL stop a Jacksonville Jaguar from going there? Did they stop the Raiders?(They tried) Did they stop The Colts? I think there's possibilities. Chargers maybe.

They didn't try and stop the Raiders. They literally helped finance the stadium.

The Chargers got to move because they were moving into the new stadium already being built. I don't think the NFL was thrilled with that move but it's far different than building a brand new stadium.

They moved to LA and then back to Oakland. The courts decided that issue and probabl would have to decide it again. The NFL isn't all-powerful in that regard.
They are pretty powerful especially in a town where there already is a team. LA was a slightly different situation.

But keep on going with the idea that the Jags are going to jump into Soldier Field without a dome as the Bears are leaving it because it's not up to par for a modern day NFL stadium.

I said with a $2 billion upgrade. If you can't keep up, exit the thread.

Everyone but you is talking about the Jags or Cardinals moving in without a complete rebuild of Soldier Field.

Of course the NFL would consider it if they did a $2 billion upgrade to Soldier Field if they could. It would still make more sense to just have both teams play in AH though.

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Nardi wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
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If a domed stadium is sitting there in Chicago, how does the NFL stop a Jacksonville Jaguar from going there? Did they stop the Raiders?(They tried) Did they stop The Colts? I think there's possibilities. Chargers maybe.

They didn't try and stop the Raiders. They literally helped finance the stadium.

The Chargers got to move because they were moving into the new stadium already being built. I don't think the NFL was thrilled with that move but it's far different than building a brand new stadium.

They moved to LA and then back to Oakland. The courts decided that issue and probabl would have to decide it again. The NFL isn't all-powerful in that regard.
They are pretty powerful especially in a town where there already is a team. LA was a slightly different situation.

But keep on going with the idea that the Jags are going to jump into Soldier Field without a dome as the Bears are leaving it because it's not up to par for a modern day NFL stadium.

I said with a $2 billion upgrade. If you can't keep up, exit the thread.

that stadium doesnt need a 2 billion dollar upgrade to be home for an AFC team if the Bears have a new domed stadium in Arlington Heights. Keep it an outdoor stadium and update it accordingly.

This isn't 1956. People have THE RIGHT to be comfortable.

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If a domed stadium is sitting there in Chicago, how does the NFL stop a Jacksonville Jaguar from going there? Did they stop the Raiders?(They tried) Did they stop The Colts? I think there's possibilities. Chargers maybe.

They didn't try and stop the Raiders. They literally helped finance the stadium.

The Chargers got to move because they were moving into the new stadium already being built. I don't think the NFL was thrilled with that move but it's far different than building a brand new stadium.

They moved to LA and then back to Oakland. The courts decided that issue and probabl would have to decide it again. The NFL isn't all-powerful in that regard.
They are pretty powerful especially in a town where there already is a team. LA was a slightly different situation.

But keep on going with the idea that the Jags are going to jump into Soldier Field without a dome as the Bears are leaving it because it's not up to par for a modern day NFL stadium.

I said with a $2 billion upgrade. If you can't keep up, exit the thread.

Everyone but you is talking about the Jags or Cardinals moving in without a complete rebuild of Soldier Field.

Of course the NFL would consider it if they did a $2 billion upgrade to Soldier Field if they could. It would still make more sense to just have both teams play in AH though.

No it wouldn't. It would be highly successful out of the box thinking.

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The interest in the Jets tapered off enormously after they vacated Shea Stadium. No one really gives a ahit about them since they left New York.

LOL no one gave a shit about them when they were IN New York.
:lol: :lol: But the Jets survived. In the suburbs. In a different state.

So will the Bears.

(I know the Giants did too, but they have won)



Any odds as to whether either of them are actually familiar with the history of the Jets in New York? Doubt it seriously. I know Frank doesn't know shit.

Yeah i dont know anything about New York football compared to YOU.



Your "analysis" as to why the Jets moved is stupid. Though Frank does happen to support it, which only makes the "thought" even dumber. Jets moved because of Stadium issues. Not lack of fan interest.

What analysis? I didn’t even offer an opinion on the Jets or Giants moving to NJ.


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Even the Clippers have decided to stop sharing a stadium with the Lakers.
Clippers moving to the suburbs! How will they survive?!

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that stadium doesnt need a 2 billion dollar upgrade to be home for an AFC team if the Bears have a new domed stadium in Arlington Heights. Keep it an outdoor stadium and update it accordingly.
It looks like outside of the Raiders you haven't seen a team move to a city without getting a new stadium since sometime in the 70s. I doubt Soldier Field is worthy of breaking that trend as it is constituted.

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Clippers moving to the suburbs! How will they survive?!


They're the Clippers. If they moved to Moscow would anyone notice?

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Jaguars lease is up in 2030. One thing we learned with baseball many years ago is that the State of Florida did not fuck around with contracts and these professional sports teams. That's why you still see the Rays, Marlins, Jaguars and Hockey Panthers still there. 2030 isn't that long away and let's not forget how much the league would love to put a team in the UK or other city in Europe. The Jaguars make the most sense for that stupid decision.

The Jets would be just fine if they'd stop being the embarrassment of the league. I know it's romantic for the city folks to think it matters if the team plays within the city limits, but that is fantasy. There is no shortage of teams that play in their suburban counterparts but the best example is the Dallas Cowboys. They're doing just fine playing nowhere near Dallas.

The Chargers were a clusterfuck owner playing chicken with the city and losing badly. I don't think the league got as involved as nearly as much as they should have, but eventually the Chargers will move and eventually it will be in a brand new taxpayer funded stadium. Maybe that's San Diego...maybe it's Oakland...maybe downtown Chicago. They sure as hell won't be staying in LA long term.

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The Nets moving to Brooklyn was a great move despite being 5 miles away from MSG.

IZOD Center and Barclays are both under 10 miles from MSG so it really wasn't a major change.

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