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It will take Fields a long time to become a pure pocket passer, assuming that goal is even attainable (or desirable) for him. But he might be able to maximize his potential without becoming a pure pocket passer.


Being a running QB might maximize his potential in terms of the team’s success, but he’ll probably figure out it’s not in his financial interest as he’s likely to get hurt and may face a Lamar Jackson situation where he can’t get paid because of concerns over his style.


Can he be a starter without running? As of right now, I'd say the answer is a resounding "no".

He is going to need at least a couple years to sort out his short throwing game and pocket presence issues.


I don't think so. He is already sorting it out. Also, why is it so important for Fields to be a "pure pocket passer"? Seems to me that Montana, Elway, Rodgers, Young, Bradshaw, Rothlesburger, and others were able to extend the plays by leaving the pocket well into their respective careers.


I agree that it's not necessarily important--or even possible--for Fields to become a pure pocket passer. A lot of the assessments of Fields, though, proceed from the belief that being strictly a pocket passer like Brady or Warner is the highest form of QB development.

As for his short passing and pocket presence/composure, it's clear that he isn't even average in these areas yet.

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Dilfer and JT O'Sullivan both basically said he's got to get the ball out quicker/better. This is consistent with what many have been saying, especially when things were rough earlier on. I haven't listened to Jenkins this week. I think this observation is takes on even greater importance in the middle of all the excitement he's generating on the ground. O'Sullivan mentioned again the thing about OSU offenses being more about throw it to an open guy vs throwing in anticipation. You can still see Fields waiting for guys to get "open". Open at OSU is different than NFL open. I'd like to see progress in this area over rest of the season

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Dilfer and JT O'Sullivan both basically said he's got to get the ball out quicker/better. This is consistent with what many have been saying, especially when things were rough earlier on. I haven't listened to Jenkins this week. I think this observation is takes on even greater importance in the middle of all the excitement he's generating on the ground. O'Sullivan mentioned again the thing about OSU offenses being more about throw it to an open guy vs throwing in anticipation. You can still see Fields waiting for guys to get "open". Open at OSU is different than NFL open. I'd like to see progress in this area over rest of the season


If he makes progress in this area and cleans up some issues with his accuracy, we'll have a top 5 quarterback for the first time in damn near a century.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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It will take Fields a long time to become a pure pocket passer, assuming that goal is even attainable (or desirable) for him. But he might be able to maximize his potential without becoming a pure pocket passer.


Being a running QB might maximize his potential in terms of the team’s success, but he’ll probably figure out it’s not in his financial interest as he’s likely to get hurt and may face a Lamar Jackson situation where he can’t get paid because of concerns over his style.


Can he be a starter without running? As of right now, I'd say the answer is a resounding "no".

He is going to need at least a couple years to sort out his short throwing game and pocket presence issues.


I don't think so. He is already sorting it out. Also, why is it so important for Fields to be a "pure pocket passer"? Seems to me that Montana, Elway, Rodgers, Young, Bradshaw, Rothlesburger, and others were able to extend the plays by leaving the pocket well into their respective careers.


I agree that it's not necessarily important--or even possible--for Fields to become a pure pocket passer. A lot of the assessments of Fields, though, proceed from the belief that being strictly a pocket passer like Brady or Warner is the highest form of QB development.

As for his short passing and pocket presence/composure, it's clear that he isn't even average in these areas yet.


Is Mahomes a "purepocket passer"? Nope. Fields will eventually evolve to a game like his.

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Dan Durkin was on Waddle and Silvy yesterday. He was the most objective I've heard anyone be in a while. It still sounded like he was afraid because of his objectiveness. He started to apologize for not believing Fields walks on water.

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Jenkins on with Bernsie and LoHo said that he got into a twitter spat with Mike North about Fields :lol:

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Jenkins on with Bernsie and LoHo said that he got into a twitter spat with Mike North about Fields :lol:


:lol:

That's classic.

It's bizarre that Holmes is now exulting in the fact that Score hosts no longer give their opinions about football plays but instead have outsourced that task to "experts".

Does he not realize that he is publicly articulating a convincing rationale for being ignored or fired?

If Tim Jenkins is the guy I should be listening to, why would I tune into your show when I can watch Jenkins on YouTube?

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Does he not realize that he is publicly articulating a convincing rationale for being ignored or fired?



No he does not.

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Jenkins on with Bernsie and LoHo said that he got into a twitter spat with Mike North about Fields :lol:


:lol:

That's classic.

It's bizarre that Holmes is now exulting in the fact that Score hosts no longer give their opinions about football plays but instead have outsourced that task to "experts".

Does he not realize that he is publicly articulating a convincing rationale for being ignored or fired?

If Tim Jenkins is the guy I should be listening to, why would I tune into your show when I can watch Jenkins on YouTube?

Classic delusional Larry.

I am sure in his mind he thinks he has had the same or more impact on the Chicago sports radio world as Pappy did.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Jenkins on with Bernsie and LoHo said that he got into a twitter spat with Mike North about Fields :lol:


Does he not realize that he is publicly articulating a convincing rationale for being ignored or fired?

If Tim Jenkins is the guy I should be listening to, why would I tune into your show when I can watch Jenkins on YouTube?


Larry genuinely believes he is the voice of the people and is a creator of art. Therefore, his position in the marketplace is secure.


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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Why do you think this is the case

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.

And more car crashes happen close to home. Not really a puzzle.

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Crick Ramp wrote:
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Jenkins on with Bernsie and LoHo said that he got into a twitter spat with Mike North about Fields :lol:


Does he not realize that he is publicly articulating a convincing rationale for being ignored or fired?

If Tim Jenkins is the guy I should be listening to, why would I tune into your show when I can watch Jenkins on YouTube?


Larry genuinely believes he is the voice of the people and is a creator of art. Therefore, his position in the marketplace is secure.

But who listens to AM radio expecting the hosts are going to be brilliant analysts?

The job is to entertain. If this bored is any indication, Leery’s at his best when pretending to be a heterosexual competent athlete.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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Jenkins on with Bernsie and LoHo said that he got into a twitter spat with Mike North about Fields :lol:


Does he not realize that he is publicly articulating a convincing rationale for being ignored or fired?

If Tim Jenkins is the guy I should be listening to, why would I tune into your show when I can watch Jenkins on YouTube?


Larry genuinely believes he is the voice of the people and is a creator of art. Therefore, his position in the marketplace is secure.

But who listens to AM radio expecting the hosts are going to be brilliant analysts?

The job is to entertain. If this bored is any indication, Leery’s at his best when pretending to be a heterosexual competent athlete.


Larry himself seems to think that's why people listen; that's why his admission that he's not a competent analyst is so funny.

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.

And more car crashes happen close to home. Not really a puzzle.

Never said that it was. But the seemingly extreme preference for a pocket passer is growing increasingly out of date and has a greatly dropping value going forward imho.

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.

And more car crashes happen close to home. Not really a puzzle.

Never said that it was. But the seemingly extreme preference for a pocket passer is growing increasingly out of date and has a greatly dropping value going forward imho.



I think you want a bit of both with an emphasis on pocket passing but mobility is necessary. I like the Burrow, Mahomes and Allen and Herbert mix.. I'm a huge Hurts fan, wanted the bears to take him in the second and he will be fine..he's a strong MFer, maybe the strongest QB in the league.. I think Fields can do what Hurts does if he improves at passing.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Crick Ramp wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Jenkins on with Bernsie and LoHo said that he got into a twitter spat with Mike North about Fields :lol:


Does he not realize that he is publicly articulating a convincing rationale for being ignored or fired?

If Tim Jenkins is the guy I should be listening to, why would I tune into your show when I can watch Jenkins on YouTube?


Larry genuinely believes he is the voice of the people and is a creator of art. Therefore, his position in the marketplace is secure.

But who listens to AM radio expecting the hosts are going to be brilliant analysts?

The job is to entertain. If this bored is any indication, Leery’s at his best when pretending to be a heterosexual competent athlete.


Larry himself seems to think that's why people listen; that's why his admission that he's not a competent analyst is so funny.


It goes hand in hand with them despising callers, especially on Mondays after Bear games. Callers can be used for entertainment with the right hosts. I don't think there is a single host who can handle that right now. I get a sneaking feeling Gabe Ramirez would be good at it because he comes from a more caller driven format.

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Doesn't it seem logical to you that the more tacklers you put around any offensive ball carrier, the better the chance is that the ball carrier will get tackled and possibly get hurt? I remember wondering why the hell the Bear's didn't try to move Cutler out of the pocket. He was athlete enough to have done a better job out there than sitting like a lone heifer surrounded by a pack of wolves like he did.

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Doesn't it seem logical to you that the more tacklers you put around any offensive ball carrier, the better the chance is that the ball carrier will get tackled and possibly get hurt? I remember wondering why the hell the Bear's didn't try to move Cutler out of the pocket. He was athlete enough to have done a better job out there than sitting like a lone heifer surrounded by a pack of wolves like he did.


I don’t think that you needed to look farther than Roger Staubach to have recognized that reality going forward. But then came Dan Marino who reaffirmed the dinosaur’s belief that moving inside the pocket was more fruitful.

Even though he didn’t win much

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Regular Reader wrote:
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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Doesn't it seem logical to you that the more tacklers you put around any offensive ball carrier, the better the chance is that the ball carrier will get tackled and possibly get hurt? I remember wondering why the hell the Bear's didn't try to move Cutler out of the pocket. He was athlete enough to have done a better job out there than sitting like a lone heifer surrounded by a pack of wolves like he did.


I don’t think that you needed to look farther than Roger Staubach to have recognized that reality going forward. But then came Dan Marino who reaffirmed the dinosaur’s belief that moving inside the pocket was more fruitful.

Even though he didn’t win much


that one though is still painful

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Why do you think this is the case


RG was a china doll. Montana and Theismann weren't running qbs. They each only had 2 years above 200 yards rushing.


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Obviously a healthy mixture of scrambling ability and passing is ideal, but i would much much rather have a QB who can stand in and throw accurately than have a run-first guy who can't stand in and deliver a throw. I know I am in the minority on this one, especially these days, but i'll take a guy like Roethlisberger who can stand in there with guys hanging off of him and deliver a ball than a guy like Lamar Jackson.


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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Why do you think this is the case


RG was a china doll. Montana and Theismann weren't running qbs. They each only had 2 years above 200 yards rushing.


They both scrambled much more than most passers of their respective eras

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Fields gets hit a lot in the pocket because he scrambles to extend plays (a good thing), which leaves him vulnerable to taking additional hits.

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Why do you think this is the case


RG was a china doll. Montana and Theismann weren't running qbs. They each only had 2 years above 200 yards rushing.


They both scrambled much more than most passers of their respective eras


Wondering RR is capable of putting together cogent thoughts on anything?

Have heard Fields compared to Cam Newton, most would take that level of production from Fields for 3-5 years, but Fields an almost Devin Hester like burst in the open field, rarely see NFL QB's outrun DB's like he does.

As usual the Claw will have to provide RR with a more apt example as he scuffles along trying to make some inane point, the classic "scrambling" QB name that has eluded you (see how I did that?) is Fran Tarkington. Montana and Theisman would move in the pocket, but were not looking to take it to the house like Newton, Fields, or Lamar Jackson.

The name that deflates your thesis is Andew Luck, the classic pocket QB who would hang in there until the last second and paid for it with a brief career.


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I will accept 10 years of greatness from the qb position rather than 20 because of increase scrambling

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Why do you think this is the case


RG was a china doll. Montana and Theismann weren't running qbs. They each only had 2 years above 200 yards rushing.


They both scrambled much more than most passers of their respective eras


Wondering RR is capable of putting together cogent thoughts on anything?

Have heard Fields compared to Cam Newton, most would take that level of production from Fields for 3-5 years, but Fields an almost Devin Hester like burst in the open field, rarely see NFL QB's outrun DB's like he does.

As usual the Claw will have to provide RR with a more apt example as he scuffles along trying to make some inane point, the classic "scrambling" QB name that has eluded you (see how I did that?) is Fran Tarkington. Montana and Theisman would move in the pocket, but were not looking to take it to the house like Newton, Fields, or Lamar Jackson.

The name that deflates your thesis is Andew Luck, the classic pocket QB who would hang in there until the last second and paid for it with a brief career.

Ok “running” was off, but I’m more broadly talking about a guy like Joe Burrow who has been running a little, especially during their winning streak.

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Does anyone realize that alleged running quarterbacks seem to get hurt more in the pocket than running? Jackson, Montana,RGIII, Theisman among a cast of others.


Why do you think this is the case


RG was a china doll. Montana and Theismann weren't running qbs. They each only had 2 years above 200 yards rushing.


They both scrambled much more than most passers of their respective eras


Neither runners even compared to the era they played in. And most of the time they were on Super Bowl contenders most of their careers.


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