Yep. You do.

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The ball placement on that PI play as well as the bomb to Odunze was absolutely perfect. He was hitting guys burning down the field without them having to break stride. Neither Fields nor (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky could do that. It's the type of thing we would see Aaron Rodgers do to us for over a decade. Yes it's preseason yada yada yada, but that ball placement from a QB to a running QR 40+ yards downfield is an elite skill and he has it.

That ball placement combined with Odunze's natural ball tracking abilities as a WR is going to be a deadly combo for years.

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In the first 2 games it seems like Waldron is specifically calling for designed rollouts to get Caleb Williams going. Which leads me to believe that he thinks that either the O-Line is a problem or Caleb's height is a problem. Won't really know for sure til the season starts if this is the plan going forward but it's apparent that the vast majority of his big plays have not been the result of his having to throw from the pocket.

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The offensive line was certainly an issue last night, but I think Williams is probably more comfortable throwing on the move than he is throwing from the pocket.

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I think Caleb has been trying to "play on time" when he's been in the pocket. The pass to Moore and some plays in the Bills game were the "right" plays, but there would have been better plays available if he waited a tick longer. I'm good with that. That should improve with some seasoning. While the offense failed to move the ball, I've seen nothing that says he has been overmatched.

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Caleb Williams is already ahead of Fields fundamentally, gets to his drop quicker, and is way quicker getting the ball out than Fields.

The most maddening thing about Fields continues to be how bad his footwork is for a guy that is a tremendous athlete.

Watching Fields and Mitch play last night you saw two guys that still cannot read and react at the QB1 level, they will always be somewhat limited as this latency in reaction time takes away throws over the middle unless a guy is wide open.

There is a bit of newness to the Bears offense as teams are trying to figure out what the Bears are going to do offensively, you already saw the Bengals try to take away the two short reads yesterday, expect teams to make him drop back and contain him in the pocket early.

Interesting to see the number of snaps that Velus Jones is getting, the backs will get a ton of catches in this offense and Jones would be a tough matchup for a DB or LB in the passing game. They also had him on special teams, did not think he would make the roster, but they are giving him every chance to find a niche.

The film shows a few instances of Caleb attempting big game hunting when some easier throws were available. Only one of those plays had a poor outcome.

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I am trying to wrap my mind around this. Isn't out of the pocket defined as outside of the tackles? I am not sure I am following you here. So when does it go from being out of the pocket to being outside of the pocket?

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He is "football stupid", don't waste your time

That's kind of where I'm at now. I think the guy is either just wanting to argue about anything just for kicks (probably because he's profoundly lonely), or simply doesn't know shit about football (which really isn't a problem for me, I don't know shit about basketball).
But profoundly lonely seems to be the most likely cause of his nature on this board.

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"Weird" there is something "not quite right" about this dude.

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When the QB passes outside of the tackles. And I don't want to get into a semantics argument about it. Passing "Out Of The Pocket" is synonymous with "passing from the pocket". And my point is that Williams has very few passes from the pocket in the first 2 games.

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It absolutely is profound loneliness. The rest of us have spouses and social lives outside of this board. He comes here as this is the only human interaction he can find outside of work.

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I live in Chicago. You live in Bentonville Ark. If you combined the Populations of each of you 3 dude's "outposts" you'd still come up with less people than "WE" have at our annual house picnic in July. The mere fact that you 3 dupes spend so much of your time concerned about what an anonymous poster says on a message board is illustrative of the fact that there isn't "much going on" wit ya bub.

And for the record being "married" is some of the most boring and in some cases, miserable shit that man has ever conceived. However I've always respected the rights of others to feel differently.
And if "Active social lives" is what either of you 3 sad sacks was aiming for, then you wouldn't live in Bentonville, Morris, or Lakemoor, "respectively". Nor would you spend as much time worried or concerned about how the "other" half of the world lives here.

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Wtf?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This is a really stupid thing to be fixated on.

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Saw quite a few boots where he had three level reads, this is a good way to get your QB into rhythm early in the game and you like the three options you have, do see him dropping it off to the back early and often, especially if you get the matchup you want. This of course depends on your OT pushing the DE inside, but the offense depends on the young OT's developing and staying healthy.

This is the play that Fields should have killed teams with, but he was too slow getting the ball to the back, could not throw the medium guy open, and could not keep the deep out throw in bounds, so he just ran the ball or turfed it at the backs feet.

remember also that the bengals saw the bears earlier in the week. I'd expect the d on both teams to be advantaged by that and it appeared that was true.

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Calebs height is fine -he’s eye to eye with Patrick Mahomes. Also, roll outs aren’t used because play callers need to make up for the height of a QB. They’re used to cut the field in half for easier reads, or scrambling purposes. Either way, roll outs are a part of almost every offense in the NFL so it’s weird to single the Bears out for implementing it.


As for passing from the pocket, Caleb has more than a few passes that came from the pocket and looked perfectly fine. The come back route that went for a 1st down to Moore in Calebs debut came from the pocket, the big dump off to the RB in that same game came from the pocket, the deep throw to Odunze that was well placed and drew a PI in this last game game from the pocket and so on.. and if you actually watched him in college (and not just his highlight vids on YouTube) you’d know quite a bit of his passes actually came from the pocket and he was fine there too.


Passing from the pocket won’t be an issue for Caleb (outside of the line giving out), coming out from under center however is something he needs more time with. But that will come with time and experience.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

JT O'Sullivan points out in his film breakdown that the pass was thrown to the wrong side of the receiver. It's true that Williams threw from the pocket frequently in college, although I don't recall him executing a lot of timing routes. On at least one play against the Bengals--the beautiful left sideline pass to Odunze--it looked like Williams scrambled when he didn't need to. He made an incredible play there, though, so it's hard to criticize him. But he certainly gave the defense an opportunity to take additional shots at him.

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Rollouts have always been used to give shorter QBs "clearer vision" and lanes with which to throw. Caleb Williams is no different.

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That's what shotgun is for. There's no guarantee that a quarterback under 6'2" is athletic.

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Nah they roll shorter QBs out more often than taller QBs because they have difficulty seeing over the line. And it's odd that NME claims that his "height" isn't an issue when they put specific drills in that were designed to prevent him from getting so many of his passes tipped at the line of scrimmage. Something which has been an issue throughout training camp.

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Any QB who has decent athletic ability gets rollouts called for them.

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Brick give it a rest. You're not "educating" me about anything

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The rollout is frequently used for quarterbacks like (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Fields because they can't read defenses. It cuts the field in half, which should theoretically make it easier for them. The shotgun is for vertically challenged quarterbacks to get more space.

They put drills in because the Bears likely have the tallest 3 technique in the NFL.

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The perfect deep ball to Scott (PI) was a pass from in the pocket. You would know that if you watched Bears games instead of scouting stat lines.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024 ... uarterback




This is an admittance that his height is a problem.

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And yet the majority of his completions have come outside the pocket. Hmmm

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