Just Don't Ever Say He Is Stat Padding

Nearly half of Caleb's (9) Touchdowns have occurred during the 4th Quarter

None (0) have occurred when the Bears are down 7 points or less

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I'll take 4th quarter TD passes over 4th quarter fumbles. Thanks for demonstrating more of your vast football knowledge, Radio.

Then explain why I defended Mitch and Justin during their rookie seasons when everyone was calling them ‘busts’?


Im using guys like Allen and Brees as examples because they were both written off early in their careers due specifically to accuracy and inconsistency issues but later went on to become very successful. What changed? Coaching and experience. It’s dumb to write QB’s off immediately following their rookie campaigns, especially rookie QB’s who were dropped into situations as volatile as the Bears coaching this year.

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Didn't have to draw straws in order to figure that this clown would be JUST THE IDIOT to celebrate meaningless 4th QUARTER TD passes would "we"? Damn this dude is rather stupid.

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See here’s the problem with this coming from you.. you’re gonna have to explain away those quotes JLN dug up where you make all these same excuses for Justin but now all the sudden want to turn around and say ‘it’s all Caleb’.


And it’s hilarious you keep bringing up the ‘Justin never had talent around him’ shit when in Justin’s rookie year he had Allen Robinson coming off back to back 1000 yard campaigns, David Montgomery coming off a 1000 yard rushing campaign, Cole Kmet headed into his 2nd year, and Darnell Mooney who not only wound up having a thousand yard year that season but has proven to be a pretty good WR over time. But keep beating that drum if you want to. Justin had talent to work with his 1st year and his 3rd year here for sure and still couldn’t put up the numbers Caleb had this year in a much worse situation.


Unless you don’t consider going thru 3 OC’s and a Head Coach all in your 1st year a bad situation, which would be yet another reason to not take you seriously.

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Oh and the ‘Caleb is in the bottom of the league numbers wise’.. what exactly do you think this proves LTG?


I can pull up Peyton Manning’s rookie numbers, Josh Allen’s rookie numbers, Lamar Jackson’s rookie numbers and many more and show guy that they were ‘at the bottom of the league’ too. So what’s the point exactly here?


It’s almost like the point is.. rookie QB’s can struggle their 1st year in the league. What a mic drop that is.

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And he's only "bottom of the league" in some very specifically curated statistical categories. In others he's a little below average on the season, and since the Waldron firing he's above average.

And all the others with accuracy problems who busted? Non-coaching and lack of experience? You built a strawman here.

And I'm not writing off Caleb. I'M CONCERNED(you said no one should be).

Hey you mean the one that the Village Idiot who "dug up" info which stated that Justin Fields would be a guy that you could win with with as the Bears were tanking? Let's do it. Everything that I said in 22 has essentially been validated since then. Surround Justin Fields with players and he'd have competed.
Meanwhile you dudes (who've been wrong every step of the way by the way) come in week after week blaming everyone from owners to the custodial staff at Soldier Field because you cannot find it in yourself to blame the dude whom each of you thought was "Generational" just 4 months ago.

Does any of you care to have that conversation now? If so let's do it. Justin Fields is a decidedly better QB than this bust. 2nd string or not

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I understand the "rookie caveats". I've read them over and over for 10 fucking weeks. But I can confidently say no one saw these couple foundational issues coming. ESPECIALLY the accuracy issues.

Yep. It's odd how the conversation pivoted from the BEARS WILL BE BETTER SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE CALEB WILLIAMS INSTEAD OF JUSTIN FIELDS, to oh no we always expected this from our rookie QB in a manner of weeks

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You actually could. Caleb Williams was not good his senior year as USC!

1st off.. I'm bringing up examples of QB's who had similar issues at the same times of their careers (rookie season) as a comparison -I'm not drawing attention away from the specific issue of consistency/accuracy by introducing a different variable to win the debate (which would make it a 'strawman'). There is no winning because we don't know what he'll become the next few seasons. Caleb can still fail, that remains an absolute possibility until he proves otherwise.


2nd feel free to provide examples here. Theres plenty of busts to choose from just make sure they failed simply because 'they weren't accurate' enough. Because again, I provided examples of players who were actually written off for that reason only for them to go on and become successful players.

I'll go ahead and do you a solid and throw Mitch in there.. but I'd say he busted out for more reasons than just accuracy.





Yeah because constantly complaining in every thread for weeks on end without adding any positive commentary that shows an open minded and objective view while saying shit like 'he lacks that fundamental talent' isn't writing him off right?


Well if it isn't, it'll do till the actual writing him off gets here. This passive aggressive approach you're trying to take is weak footing to begin with.

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WTF? Don't pull a RickySlade on me with 'lacks fundamental talent'. Try not to be a lying cocksucking lowlife, if you don't mind.

Ok. Start by explaining why they couldn't win with him in year 3? You know, when they weren't tanking and had some pieces around him like DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, Darnell Mooney, and a running back rotation that ran for over 1300 yards and 8 TD's (this is minus Justins rushing numbers).


So why did they go 5-8 with Justin leading them?


How many more pieces did Justin need LTG? He's got the same TE and #1 as Caleb has, and swapped out a young 1000 yard receiver in Mooney for an aging 1000 yard level Allen and a rookie WR in Odunze?


I'll allow for the O-line to be a wash.

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You quoted my response to the poster that said it which is where the confusion came in.


My other points about you constantly being negative about Caleb stand tho. Address them or don't.

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You can't write him off yet because he was a rookie, but if you watched the games, you should know that his stats mean nothing.

The offense was terrible most of the year, and most of the gains and scores were in garbage time.

His rookie year was the perfect example of how stats are meaningless without context.

There have been a lot of QBs with great tools that turned out to be duds.

If he wasn't the first overall pick, people would be calling to replace him.

Every time he plays poorly, I comment he's played poorly. That's like 10 or 11 games. I've theorized there's more than a 50% probability we picked the wrong QB. The only definitive thing I've said is that he isn't generational(last generation Tom Brady, this generation Patrick Mahomes). But that's obvious.

Is that bad?

People really hang on tight to that 1st overall pick. I don't know why. It's not a birthright. It's a motherfucking guess.

This is perhaps the worst defense of a QB analysis I’ve read.

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Again, two of those games the Bears should have won without terrible coaching. Another should have went to OT.

This is why I keep on mocking the idea that Caleb actually has 0 touchdowns because you cherry pick all these dumb stats instead of pointing out the games he was actually bad in.

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Got to love the "Should Have Won" too. Each of the games that you claim that the Bears "should have won" was mostly a product of the other coach blowing it than it was the Bears coach blowing it.


And the numbers are what the numbers are. His TD numbers are heavily inflated by his innate ability to produce points once the game is essentially over.

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Couldn't agree more.

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But they actually did start winning in year 3 once the trade for Sweat was made and the defense got better. Which is where the 5-3 Record came from.

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If someone were to ask the deranged one to post the stats in which he was "below average" guarantee that he could not.

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And the Bears where 4-2 when Sweat was effective and before the defense got hurt. Should have been 5-2 without the hail mary pass. What's your point?

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Well you’re stupid and don’t understand context nor the actual point so I’m not surprised here.

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The Bears with Fields got better as the year went along last year. Nearly made the playoffs. With Caleb Williams they have lost 10 straight and been out of the playoff running for months. Huge difference. Plus their offensive numbers in those games were much better than are now with the generatioal one.

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Nuance isn't only valid in things that help your argument.

It's incredibly stupid to act like a game they had a FG to win and another they had a lead within the last 10 seconds were essentially over.

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Do you still think he will be the best QB of his class? Besides yes or no, probably or probably not is also a good enough answer.