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I've actually come to grips with this a little as a decent move.

The Quinn and Graham signings however are terrible. So was Trevathan. Overall a D off-season for the Bears.


Ha! The Quinn signing was really the only unquestionably good move.

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The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


We should cut Mack tomorrow then.

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The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


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Also, Trevathan was not a bad signing. If they are both healthy, Trevathan is better than Kwiatkowski.

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The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


no

Also, Trevathan was not a bad signing. If they are both healthy, Trevathan is better than Kwiatkowski.


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The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


no

Also, Trevathan was not a bad signing. If they are both healthy, Trevathan is better than Kwiatkowski.

Dont pay a guy for what he was before, pay for what he will be in the future. Trevathan is over thirty and cannot stay on the field. His best seasons are almost certainly behind him. Kwiatkoski is twenty-seven and may have his best season in front of him. Also the Bears let KPL walk, they are going to be feeling the hurt of that loss of depth when Trevathan goes down.

An aside, its funny how every Chicagoan adds an unnecessary 'w' in Kwiatkoski's name.


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Antarctica wrote:
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The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


no

Also, Trevathan was not a bad signing. If they are both healthy, Trevathan is better than Kwiatkowski.

Dont pay a guy for what he was before, pay for what he will be in the future. Trevathan is over thirty and cannot stay on the field. His best seasons are almost certainly behind him. Kwiatkoski is twenty-seven and may have his best season in front of him. Also the Bears let KPL walk, they are going to be feeling the hurt of that loss of depth when Trevathan goes down.

An aside, its funny how every Chicagoan adds an unnecessary 'w' in Kwiatkoski's name.


Everyone seems very confident that a guy with similar dimensions is going to hold up for 16 games during his first taste of starting in the NFL.

Kwiatkowski is a limited talent and this time last year we all would have been afraid to have him as a starter. He had a nice run last year. So did Pierre Louis when it was his turn. I really liked what I saw of Wood in the preseason and think he is ready to step into a backup role at ILB

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good dolphin wrote:
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The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


no

Also, Trevathan was not a bad signing. If they are both healthy, Trevathan is better than Kwiatkowski.

Dont pay a guy for what he was before, pay for what he will be in the future. Trevathan is over thirty and cannot stay on the field. His best seasons are almost certainly behind him. Kwiatkoski is twenty-seven and may have his best season in front of him. Also the Bears let KPL walk, they are going to be feeling the hurt of that loss of depth when Trevathan goes down.

An aside, its funny how every Chicagoan adds an unnecessary 'w' in Kwiatkoski's name.


Everyone seems very confident that a guy with similar dimensions is going to hold up for 16 games during his first taste of starting in the NFL.

Kwiatkowski is a limited talent and this time last year we all would have been afraid to have him as a starter. He had a nice run last year. So did Pierre Louis when it was his turn. I really liked what I saw of Wood in the preseason and think he is ready to step into a backup role at ILB


I do agree with this. Kwiatkowski is a relatively unknown. We know what we are getting out of Trevathan. Even though Trevathan has some downsides, mainly injury, I guess they figured its better than overpaying Kwiatkowski when we really have no idea how he would fair over a 16 game season.


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They should have let both walk.


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He knows the offense. That's an upgrade right there. Honestly, I don't want Pace drafting another QB so I'll live with this.


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The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


no

Also, Trevathan was not a bad signing. If they are both healthy, Trevathan is better than Kwiatkowski.


And he is a three down linebacker.

Kwiatkoski means you need a cover guy for 2nd and long and for 3rd down.

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He knows the offense. That's an upgrade right there. Honestly, I don't want Pace drafting another QB so I'll live with this.

Agree with that. Maybe also get someone else to call some of the plays. I realize that had Mitch executed, things would be different, but some of those calls were horeshit any way you look at it.


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He knows the offense. That's an upgrade right there. Honestly, I don't want Pace drafting another QB so I'll live with this.

Make sure you remember that last part.....so that when Pace does not draft a QB this year you do not complain about it.

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He knows the offense. That's an upgrade right there. Honestly, I don't want Pace drafting another QB so I'll live with this.

Make sure you remember that last part.....so that when Pace does not draft a QB this year you do not complain about it.


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Mitch threw more td's over the last 2 seasons than Foles did in the past 6 combined. Foles is streaky as hell but everyone only remembers when he puts on his big dick nick suit in the playoffs. I think Mitch is better but he has had some terrible coaching that has stunted all development. He won't be the backup though next year....he is going to be dumbass Pace's version of Taysom Hill.

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good dolphin wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


no

Also, Trevathan was not a bad signing. If they are both healthy, Trevathan is better than Kwiatkowski.


And he is a three down linebacker.

Kwiatkoski means you need a cover guy for 2nd and long and for 3rd down.


I read somewhere that teams ran for almost 1 YPC better last year with Kwiatkoski starting rather than Trevathan. I know there are a lot of other factors that played into it.

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
The only times you cut big checks over-thirty year olds is if they play quarterback or offensive tackle. It will go down as a big mistake, you'll be begging for Floyd.


no

Also, Trevathan was not a bad signing. If they are both healthy, Trevathan is better than Kwiatkowski.


And he is a three down linebacker.

Kwiatkoski means you need a cover guy for 2nd and long and for 3rd down.


I read somewhere that teams ran for almost 1 YPC better last year with Kwiatkoski starting rather than Trevathan. I know there are a lot of other factors that played into it.

That certainly has more to do with Hicks.


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I've actually come to grips with this a little as a decent move.

The Quinn and Graham signings however are terrible. So was Trevathan. Overall a D off-season for the Bears.


Ha! The Quinn signing was really the only unquestionably good move.

Per Frank Schwab of Yahoo Sports

Quinn is coming off a fine 11.5-sack season, and he was great early in his career with the Rams, but here were his sack totals for the four seasons before last year: 5, 4, 8.5, 6.5. This will be his fourth team in four years. He was traded to Dallas for just a sixth-round pick a year ago and seemed to be fading out of the NFL. The Bears are gambling a $70 million, five-year deal that Quinn is all the way back, and not the same player who posted 24 sacks over the previous four seasons. His best seasons seem to come in contract seasons. Maybe he'll be good in 2024.

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I'll agree with Nick K being a relatively unknown.. but he's better in coverage than I thought.. he's got a nose for the ball and reads the offense well.

I'd still pay him over an older Trevathan who can't be relied upon..and Nick signed for less.

Pace is pretty much a disaster at in the front office, NOLA drafted better than ever after he left.

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Nas wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
I've actually come to grips with this a little as a decent move.

The Quinn and Graham signings however are terrible. So was Trevathan. Overall a D off-season for the Bears.


Ha! The Quinn signing was really the only unquestionably good move.

Per Frank Schwab of Yahoo Sports

Quinn is coming off a fine 11.5-sack season, and he was great early in his career with the Rams, but here were his sack totals for the four seasons before last year: 5, 4, 8.5, 6.5. This will be his fourth team in four years. He was traded to Dallas for just a sixth-round pick a year ago and seemed to be fading out of the NFL. The Bears are gambling a $70 million, five-year deal that Quinn is all the way back, and not the same player who posted 24 sacks over the previous four seasons. His best seasons seem to come in contract seasons. Maybe he'll be good in 2024.


It's really a 2 year deal and those numbers are somewhat misleading. The ingredients that existed in Dallas that led to his success also exist in Chicago. He's going to feast because he won't be the focus of the opposing offense. He's going to have a lot of favorable 1 on 1 matchups.

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Nas wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
I've actually come to grips with this a little as a decent move.

The Quinn and Graham signings however are terrible. So was Trevathan. Overall a D off-season for the Bears.


Ha! The Quinn signing was really the only unquestionably good move.

Per Frank Schwab of Yahoo Sports

Quinn is coming off a fine 11.5-sack season, and he was great early in his career with the Rams, but here were his sack totals for the four seasons before last year: 5, 4, 8.5, 6.5. This will be his fourth team in four years. He was traded to Dallas for just a sixth-round pick a year ago and seemed to be fading out of the NFL. The Bears are gambling a $70 million, five-year deal that Quinn is all the way back, and not the same player who posted 24 sacks over the previous four seasons. His best seasons seem to come in contract seasons. Maybe he'll be good in 2024.


It's really a 2 year deal and those numbers are somewhat misleading. The ingredients that existed in Dallas that led to his success also exist in Chicago. He's going to feast because he won't be the focus of the opposing offense. He's going to have a lot of favorable 1 on 1 matchups.


We've got 3 guys who should be double teamed most of the game.. were either #1 or #2 this year in D.

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312player wrote:
Nas wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
I've actually come to grips with this a little as a decent move.

The Quinn and Graham signings however are terrible. So was Trevathan. Overall a D off-season for the Bears.


Ha! The Quinn signing was really the only unquestionably good move.

Per Frank Schwab of Yahoo Sports

Quinn is coming off a fine 11.5-sack season, and he was great early in his career with the Rams, but here were his sack totals for the four seasons before last year: 5, 4, 8.5, 6.5. This will be his fourth team in four years. He was traded to Dallas for just a sixth-round pick a year ago and seemed to be fading out of the NFL. The Bears are gambling a $70 million, five-year deal that Quinn is all the way back, and not the same player who posted 24 sacks over the previous four seasons. His best seasons seem to come in contract seasons. Maybe he'll be good in 2024.


It's really a 2 year deal and those numbers are somewhat misleading. The ingredients that existed in Dallas that led to his success also exist in Chicago. He's going to feast because he won't be the focus of the opposing offense. He's going to have a lot of favorable 1 on 1 matchups.


We've got 3 guys who should be double teamed most of the game.. were either #1 or #2 this year in D.


I really think the DL is going to create a ton of pressure up the middle this year, which, in my opinion is the best place to have pressure unless you are playing against Jackson or Murray.

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Nas wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Nas wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
I've actually come to grips with this a little as a decent move.

The Quinn and Graham signings however are terrible. So was Trevathan. Overall a D off-season for the Bears.


Ha! The Quinn signing was really the only unquestionably good move.

Per Frank Schwab of Yahoo Sports

Quinn is coming off a fine 11.5-sack season, and he was great early in his career with the Rams, but here were his sack totals for the four seasons before last year: 5, 4, 8.5, 6.5. This will be his fourth team in four years. He was traded to Dallas for just a sixth-round pick a year ago and seemed to be fading out of the NFL. The Bears are gambling a $70 million, five-year deal that Quinn is all the way back, and not the same player who posted 24 sacks over the previous four seasons. His best seasons seem to come in contract seasons. Maybe he'll be good in 2024.


It's really a 2 year deal and those numbers are somewhat misleading. The ingredients that existed in Dallas that led to his success also exist in Chicago. He's going to feast because he won't be the focus of the opposing offense. He's going to have a lot of favorable 1 on 1 matchups.


That's a bad take by Schwab. A guy with 6.5 sacks isn't fading out of the league, especially with 8.5 the year before. The even worse hyperbole is throwing in the 5 and 4 years, as if he didn't play 8 and 9 games in those years. If he wasn't hot taking he would be honest and say that if Quinn plays 16 games, he is good from 8-12 sacks and much more likely for the later with the guys around him in Chicago.

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I'd be surprised if Quinn doesn't have at least 12 sacks.

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I'd be surprised if Quinn doesn't have at least 12 sacks.


I would be happy if Mack and Quinn combined for at least 25 total. 30 is being a bit greedy.


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Mack will have twelve and Quinn will have like six. Both are on the downslope.


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I'd be surprised if Quinn doesn't have at least 12 sacks.

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We've got 3 guys who should be double teamed most of the game.. were either #1 or #2 this year in D.

Had that in 2018 and best we could do was a first round playoff exit.

This offense is actually worse than that 2018 team.

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We've got 3 guys who should be double teamed most of the game.. were either #1 or #2 this year in D.

Had that in 2018 and best we could do was a first round playoff exit.

This offense is actually worse than that 2018 team.


I think the offense will be better, we have a QB who can run the playbook.

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