Does he also get credit for blowing that team up?

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all this bickering really shows that a coach is only as good as his players.

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After 2003 they missed on pretty much every draft.

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Players matter but the elite coaches will find a way to be good. Fox is an average coach though. Obviously that's an upgrade over Trestman and Tucker but normally you need more to win.

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Joe Gibbs. 3 different QBs, 3 SBs.

I don't think Gibbs is looking for a gig, but I'm all for it if he's interested.

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Jimmy Johnson was 1-15

I don't think he is elite but his production is already beyond average.

I am normally one who advocates for taking a shot at great rather than settling for the known good. I don't think that was the best course of action for the Bears at this time. Unlike others, I think they have the offensive horses to be competitive today. They lacked direction. This hire should change that condition.

I am much more bullish on the Bears for next year than the general public.

If I am wrong, well, everything will be easily disassembled in another couple of years.

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I think 81-79 (before Manning) is pretty average. Offensively the Bears still have talent but defensively this team is beyond awful. I think a guy like Fox was the perfect replacement for Lovie. I don't expect Fox to turn our defense into a top 15 unit overnight. That's his expertise.

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Marshall & Forte are in decline mode and they are your best players. who cares if they go 8-8 next year. they have a tough schedule. Blow this bitch up and build a team that can compete year-in year-out.

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Your analysis of 81-79 lacks any nuance but we have been through this before.

I say he took over a 1 win team and lead them to a super bowl. You say it was the talent. When those talented teams didn't win it was because of the coaching.

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He inherited a great young roster in Carolina. They had a draft in 2002 that we could only dream about in Chicago. Every elite player that was on their SB team was there before he arrived. After that success in his 2nd season their drafts sucked and those Carolina teams underachieved in just about every other season. A good to elite coach would never have a 2 win season well into his tenure as head coach. An average coach would.

Denver was different. They had a few pieces before he arrived but they weren't a great team. Peyton Manning's arrival changed that. Every signing or trade was made so the team could "win now". There was no building up the roster. Many of us thought those teams would win a SB. They didn't. You could say Manning was responsible for that but I believe it also falls on the coach.

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Fox really isn't going to matter much. There's waaay too much for the GM to do first.
You get a couple high quality picks and a couple decent free agents and maybe they're competitive. You don't get the picks and they won't be. It's going to take 2-3 years to get this team ready to compete in this division no matter who the coach is.

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You're right. The Bears need a great draft. If they can do what the Panthers did in 2002 they'll be on their way.

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I agree that John Fox is less than perfect. There are holes to question. Given right now, I still think he's the best option.

He will need a lot of help from Pace on draft picks.

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I'm worried about this Dennis Allen guy as DC. His biggest claim to fame seems to be having worked for Sean Payton.

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Fox was spotted at O'Hare baggage. Surprised Bears didn't send him on Southwest.

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So Fox flew in to O'Hare, yesterday, around 1ish? Got to Halas Hall mid-late after noon right? The interview ended around 7ish, flies back out to Denver, only to return sometime again this afternoon to make it official. Does that make any sense?

Stupid username.

It might not make sense to us. But he certainly has a home, a family, and maybe even pets back in Dinver that he needed to care of. Its not like you just blink your eyes and boom your moved from one NFL city to another.

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Good point - although he came into a mess and John fox left one.

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I really don't like your username, fwiw.

What's your beef?

Dude, there are really only 2 elite players on that list in Peppers and Steve Smith, many of the rest of those guys are a perfect example of what I already said in that they benefitted from the coaching and scheming more than anything else.

And every team has role players, this list doesn't mean much in debating my point.

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You misunderstood my post. Nas said Fox isn't a coach you rebuild with, I pointed out that others have mentioned he took over a Carolina team that was in the rebuilding process and did fine.

To your point; I suppose how much credit he would deserve on that front would depend on what his actual influence was on Carolina's drafting as well as bringing in free agents -and I don't have the answer to those questions.

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Yeah. One year as a DC in Denver and the Allen/Tarver combo in Oakland really looked awful, especially when it came to 2nd half adjustments.

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So you don't know most of the players on this list? Just say that next time.

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Where would the Bears be if the Broncos won? On shit street that's where.

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

From what I understand, Fox would be quitting... knowing that with Manning on the downslide he knew that Dinver was going to be a turrible place to be coaching for the next several years.
Then again, dude didn't want to coach a loser, or so the narrative goes... what the hell is he doing here?

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It's funny this is your response because after reading your list, I was wondering if you had any idea who most of them were yourself, and I'll be honest here, I'm not sure you do.


I'll give you 1 example: you have DeShaun Foster on your list, the same Deshaun Foster that never once rushed for over 1000 yards.

And Nas, he never even rushed for over 900 yards either. Infact, wanna know his best rushing TD total ever for an entire season?

3.. In back to back seasons no less.

Move over Walter Payton.

Again, anyone can google search a roster from whenever the fuck and toss names up. I get that there are a couple of guys on that list that went to a few pro bowls, but outside of Peppers and Smith that list is meh, at best.

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I would much prefer Jim Schwartz as DC.

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