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Ok, fair.

The red zone stops that day were the Love INT and the 4th & goal from the 5.

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3 pts is an illegitimate stop. Again, tell why points allowed isn't the major metric.
But tell me in a xe/them way.

“Maybe bcuz Gren Bay didn’t have a field goal that game, you gay whiny gay?! How bout you be old man and cocksuck your way back to old man’s home as a gay!!? Points only matter when he/they don’t make points like a bitch whore.”





Admittedly low effort, but it’s tough to find that balance between plausibly Indian and likely brain damaged on short notice.

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It doesn't matter what spin you place upon it. If you hold any team to 20 points in an NFL game then you give your team a chance to win.

This "playoff caliber defense" gave up more than 20 points in 5 of their last 6 games.


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It doesn't matter what spin you place upon it. If you hold any team to 20 points in an NFL game then you give your team a chance to win.

This "playoff caliber defense" gave up more than 20 points in 5 of their last 6 games.


You were bitching about their "playoff caliber defense" before they gave up more than 20 in 5 of 6 games stupid
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Points matter in relation to possessions. If we’re going to extend a baseball analogy, it’s like saying giving up 2 runs in an inning is the same as giving up 2 runs in 4 innings; the offense had fewer points that day because they had fewer opportunities to score, not because the defense was stopping them.

The Bears defense had one legitimate stop in that entire game.


It doesn't matter what spin you place upon it. If you hold any team to 20 points in an NFL game then you give your team a chance to win.

The primary reason that the Bears did not win many games this season is because their offense blows. Not their defense.

I get you have a genuine hatred of Williams for taking Fields away from you, but I imagine you’re capable of simultaneously: 1) hating Caleb Williams and 2) taking an objective look at the defense.

When your opponent has limited possessions, they can’t score as many points. It’s the entire concept behind ball control offense.


Caleb Williams is the QB of the worst scoring first quarter offense in the NFL. His inability to score has very little to do with the other team's "ball control offense" as much as it does his inability to produce offense until the game is no longer competitive.
I get that you dudes have a problem with the fact that you were duped into thinking that Caleb Williams was a "Generational Talent". But that's not my problem. It's yours. I provided a pathway for the Bears to contend, while you provided a pathway to bitch about everything from ownership to the beer vendors at Soldier Field. Until your Generational Talent" Caleb shows otherwise, he's a damn bust. It takes a certain type of Derangement for anyone to believe otherwise.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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Points matter in relation to possessions. If we’re going to extend a baseball analogy, it’s like saying giving up 2 runs in an inning is the same as giving up 2 runs in 4 innings; the offense had fewer points that day because they had fewer opportunities to score, not because the defense was stopping them.

The Bears defense had one legitimate stop in that entire game.


It doesn't matter what spin you place upon it. If you hold any team to 20 points in an NFL game then you give your team a chance to win.

The primary reason that the Bears did not win many games this season is because their offense blows. Not their defense.

I get you have a genuine hatred of Williams for taking Fields away from you, but I imagine you’re capable of simultaneously: 1) hating Caleb Williams and 2) taking an objective look at the defense.

When your opponent has limited possessions, they can’t score as many points. It’s the entire concept behind ball control offense.


Caleb Williams is the QB of the worst scoring first quarter offense in the NFL. His inability to score has very little to do with the other team's "ball control offense" as much as it does his inability to produce offense until the game is no longer competitive.
I get that you dudes have a problem with the fact that you were duped into thinking that Caleb Williams was a "Generational Talent". But that's not my problem. It's yours. I provided a pathway for the Bears to contend, while you provided a pathway to bitch about everything from ownership to the beer vendors at Soldier Field. Until your Generational Talent" Caleb shows otherwise, he's a damn bust. It takes a certain type of Derangement for anyone to believe otherwise.


How do you factor in that the Bears were terrible in the 1q every year under Eberflus

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Points matter in relation to possessions. If we’re going to extend a baseball analogy, it’s like saying giving up 2 runs in an inning is the same as giving up 2 runs in 4 innings; the offense had fewer points that day because they had fewer opportunities to score, not because the defense was stopping them.

The Bears defense had one legitimate stop in that entire game.


It doesn't matter what spin you place upon it. If you hold any team to 20 points in an NFL game then you give your team a chance to win.

The primary reason that the Bears did not win many games this season is because their offense blows. Not their defense.

I get you have a genuine hatred of Williams for taking Fields away from you, but I imagine you’re capable of simultaneously: 1) hating Caleb Williams and 2) taking an objective look at the defense.

When your opponent has limited possessions, they can’t score as many points. It’s the entire concept behind ball control offense.


Caleb Williams is the QB of the worst scoring first quarter offense in the NFL. His inability to score has very little to do with the other team's "ball control offense" as much as it does his inability to produce offense until the game is no longer competitive.
I get that you dudes have a problem with the fact that you were duped into thinking that Caleb Williams was a "Generational Talent". But that's not my problem. It's yours. I provided a pathway for the Bears to contend, while you provided a pathway to bitch about everything from ownership to the beer vendors at Soldier Field. Until your Generational Talent" Caleb shows otherwise, he's a damn bust. It takes a certain type of Derangement for anyone to believe otherwise.


How do you factor in that the Bears were terrible in the 1q every year under Eberflus

They actually weren't though. Check the numbers.
I know point scoring doesn't count when you have golf playing idiots like JLN prioritizing yards over points, but the Bears didn't have difficulty scoring points in the 1st quarter during the Eberflus years until this season. Check last season alone if you like. The Bears didn't have difficulty scoring in the first and 2nd quarters. Their problem with scoring occurred during the 4th Quarter as Getsy would become spooked and get conservative with his play calling.

Bears would have easily won 3 extra games had he not last season. Which is one of the reasons Bear fans wanted them to keep Fields and believed that he wasn't the problem

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Ryan Poles is 14-36 in his three years, and the consensus from the Bears’ beat is that next year they will be only marginally better. The question I think McCaskey and Warren need to ask themselves is could Ryan Pace have done any worse? Probably not. So what would be the argument for keeping Poles when he has presided over one of the worst three-year stretches in franchise history, and probably THE worst divisional record (take the North may fucking ass).

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Caleb Williams is the QB of the worst scoring first quarter offense in the NFL.

Ever.

Not just this season.


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The Doctor Of Style wrote:

Caleb Williams is the QB of the worst scoring first quarter offense in the NFL.

Ever.

Not just this season.

First of all, congratulations on baiting me into doing this.

But the 2011 Colts have a lower first quarter points per game number as do the 2009 Rams.

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Holy Moly that 2009 Rams offense was dire


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Holy Moly that 2009 Rams offense was dire

I think that was the end game for USA. "At least we aren't the 2009 Rams. LOL".

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Generational talent gets you slightly better than two of the worst teams ever.


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Generational talent gets you slightly better than two of the worst teams ever.
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Holy Moly that 2009 Rams offense was dire

I think that was the end game for USA. "At least we aren't the 2009 Rams. LOL".


12 years later they won the Super Bowl. It's gonna happen!


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USA wrote:
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Caleb Williams is the QB of the worst scoring first quarter offense in the NFL.

Ever.

Not just this season.

You could have gone with franchise history, which is 104 years and thus still quite an accomplishment.

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Holy Moly that 2009 Rams offense was dire

I think that was the end game for USA. "At least we aren't the 2009 Rams. LOL".


12 years later they won the Super Bowl. It's gonna happen!

Bears just need to move.

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Ryan Poles is 14-36 in his three years, and the consensus from the Bears’ beat is that next year they will be only marginally better. The question I think McCaskey and Warren need to ask themselves is could Ryan Pace have done any worse? Probably not. So what would be the argument for keeping Poles when he has presided over one of the worst three-year stretches in franchise history, and probably THE worst divisional record (take the North may fucking ass).

The trade papered over a lot of bad decision making. He ended up with the worst team in the league and got credit for it because the Panthers were desperate.

The stupid “Bears receive, Panthers receive” graphic pops up on my TwitterX any time Poles is discussed as though that was some sort of brilliant maneuvering.

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USA wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:

Caleb Williams is the QB of the worst scoring first quarter offense in the NFL.

Ever.

Not just this season.

You could have gone with franchise history, which is 104 years and thus still quite an accomplishment.

It was worth it to watch Brick and JLN treat being better than the one-win Rams as equivalent to winning a Super Bowl.


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USA wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
USA wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:

Caleb Williams is the QB of the worst scoring first quarter offense in the NFL.

Ever.

Not just this season.

You could have gone with franchise history, which is 104 years and thus still quite an accomplishment.

It was worth it to watch Brick and JLN treat being better than the one-win Rams as equivalent to winning a Super Bowl.

Well, I was hoping you'd stop being wrong, but you chose to be wrong forever.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Ryan Poles is 14-36 in his three years, and the consensus from the Bears’ beat is that next year they will be only marginally better. The question I think McCaskey and Warren need to ask themselves is could Ryan Pace have done any worse? Probably not. So what would be the argument for keeping Poles when he has presided over one of the worst three-year stretches in franchise history, and probably THE worst divisional record (take the North may fucking ass).

The trade papered over a lot of bad decision making. He ended up with the worst team in the league and got credit for it because the Panthers were desperate.

The stupid “Bears receive, Panthers receive” graphic pops up on my TwitterX any time Poles is discussed as though that was some sort of brilliant maneuvering.

Desperate or not, the Panthers still got fleeced by Poles and he should get credit for that. Outside of that he has really only had one draft with a full slate of picks in every round, and he's picked some good guys and some stinkers. Hopefully Caleb and Odunze will be the home runs this team needs.

But I really don't like hearing that he's making coaching decisions based on potential power struggles instead of who is going to best maximize the talent on the roster. But I guess we can thank the McCaskeys for cucking him into this defensiveness with Kevin Warren.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Ryan Poles is 14-36 in his three years, and the consensus from the Bears’ beat is that next year they will be only marginally better. The question I think McCaskey and Warren need to ask themselves is could Ryan Pace have done any worse? Probably not. So what would be the argument for keeping Poles when he has presided over one of the worst three-year stretches in franchise history, and probably THE worst divisional record (take the North may fucking ass).

The trade papered over a lot of bad decision making. He ended up with the worst team in the league and got credit for it because the Panthers were desperate.

The stupid “Bears receive, Panthers receive” graphic pops up on my TwitterX any time Poles is discussed as though that was some sort of brilliant maneuvering.

Desperate or not, the Panthers still got fleeced by Poles and he should get credit for that. Outside of that he has really only had one draft with a full slate of picks in every round, and he's picked some good guys and some stinkers. Hopefully Caleb and Odunze will be the home runs this team needs.

But I really don't like hearing that he's making coaching decisions based on potential power struggles instead of who is going to best maximize the talent on the roster. But I guess we can thank the McCaskeys for cucking him into this defensiveness with Kevin Warren.

It's funny to see USA acting like Poles has done a ton of bad decision making but he seemingly thinks Caleb Williams was setup to succeed this year.

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Taking Darnell Wrong over Jalen Carter is but one of example of a terrible GM decision that benefitted Caleb Williams at the expense of the overall team.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Ryan Poles is 14-36 in his three years, and the consensus from the Bears’ beat is that next year they will be only marginally better. The question I think McCaskey and Warren need to ask themselves is could Ryan Pace have done any worse? Probably not. So what would be the argument for keeping Poles when he has presided over one of the worst three-year stretches in franchise history, and probably THE worst divisional record (take the North may fucking ass).

The trade papered over a lot of bad decision making. He ended up with the worst team in the league and got credit for it because the Panthers were desperate.

The stupid “Bears receive, Panthers receive” graphic pops up on my TwitterX any time Poles is discussed as though that was some sort of brilliant maneuvering.

Desperate or not, the Panthers still got fleeced by Poles and he should get credit for that. Outside of that he has really only had one draft with a full slate of picks in every round, and he's picked some good guys and some stinkers. Hopefully Caleb and Odunze will be the home runs this team needs.

But I really don't like hearing that he's making coaching decisions based on potential power struggles instead of who is going to best maximize the talent on the roster. But I guess we can thank the McCaskeys for cucking him into this defensiveness with Kevin Warren.

If Carolina had taken Stroud instead of Young, is it still considered a fleecing?

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Taking Darnell Wrong over Jalen Carter is but one of example of a terrible GM decision that benefitted Caleb Williams at the expense of the overall team.


Yes when Pole's said he/they drafted wright to protect a QB who curently played at USC i threw my drink at the tv in disgust. Fucking dumb ass

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Imagine drafting pro bowler Jared Verse instead of talentless literallywho Rome Odunze at ninth overall? Oh but lmao the burrito needs to be coddled at every opportunity.


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Imagine drafting pro bowler Jared Verse instead of talentless literallywho Rome Odunze at ninth overall? Oh but lmao the burrito needs to be coddled at every opportunity.


I thought Caleb had the best WR's in Bears history? :?

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Taking Darnell Wrong over Jalen Carter is but one of example of a terrible GM decision that benefitted Caleb Williams at the expense of the overall team.


Wright is ranked 34th/138 - Ts among his peers. How is that benefitting Caleb Williams?

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USA wrote:
Imagine drafting pro bowler Jared Verse instead of talentless literallywho Rome Odunze at ninth overall? Oh but lmao the burrito needs to be coddled at every opportunity.


I thought Caleb had the best WR's in Bears history? :?


USA isn't above fibbing to try to win a point. Jared Verse is sitting there at 24 years old already and has a whopping 4.5 sacks this year with none in almost two months. He'd be a darling among GB fans by getting pressures but no sacks

The better argument on Odunze is that Brian Thomas has all pro numbers in year 1 and Ladd Mc Conkey has 77 receptions and a 74% catch percentage being drafted well after Odunze

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Juiced wrote:
USA wrote:
Imagine drafting pro bowler Jared Verse instead of talentless literallywho Rome Odunze at ninth overall? Oh but lmao the burrito needs to be coddled at every opportunity.


I thought Caleb had the best WR's in Bears history? :?


USA isn't above fibbing to try to win a point. Jared Verse is sitting there at 24 years old already and has a whopping 4.5 sacks this year with none in almost two months. He'd be a darling among GB fans by getting pressures but no sacks

The better argument on Odunze is that Brian Thomas has all pro numbers in year 1 and Ladd Mc Conkey has 77 receptions and a 74% catch percentage being drafted well after Odunze
Sure, I’d take him.
Verse is the Rams’ only selection for the Pro Bowl this year. In 16 games this season, Verse has 65 total tackles, 4.5 sacks, 11 tackles for a loss, 18 quarterback hits, two forced fumbles and two passes defenses. He’s also recovered two fumbles. According to Pro Football Focus, Verse leads all rookies with 75 total pressures, 23 more than any other first-year player. His 75 pressures also rank fourth among all NFL players this season.

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