Drafting players is easy when you can make your choice after they play their rookie season.

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You guys complain when they don't draft OL and then complain when they do. I guess you really can have it both ways?

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"I honestly don't see a good bet on the board here."

Don’t draft second round talents in the top ten.

the last question at the press conference asked (paraphrasing) "do you regret ignoring the o-line"

his response: in a bubble you would build inside out.... but (paraphrasing) there weren't answers at o-line last off-season (draft or FA).

Interesting that the Rams went with a late round draft pick at center over the guy he signed.

However, the line issues go back several years with Poles going on the cheap, missing out on 2nd and even 3rd tier FAs, while drafting DB after DB in the draft.

A few easy answers were ignored. Signing a top level vet tackle was an obvious move, Poles whiffed repeatedly there, he then would not have reached for Wright, or could have put him where he belongs at guard. Instead he signed Nate Davis, a guy that Vrabel hated because he never showed up for practice, his FA signings are pathetic.

The most obvious thing he should have done was to have drafted a center instead of Pickens or even Stevenson, that would have given him a top level guy at that spot for the next 10 years, you see guys he passed up starting all across the league, he just signed bargin basement one year guys, it killed his inside run game options and contributed to the obscene sack totals you have seen from Caleb and Justin Fields.

You could make a compelling argument that his worst evaluation has come at the two positions closest to the ball on O and D.

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It’s Nate Davis vs. Chase Claypool for worst acquisition and there’s a good case to be made for either.

claypool and not particularly close...he cost an early 2nd rd pick.. the other just cost money

*1st round pick. Thirty-second overall. Even worse.

I actually vote Claypool myself but the argument for Davis is compelling. You could easily say that he is the one who undermined the coaching staff and was the rot from within that killed the team. I actually think that’s Caleb to a huge extent btw, but I don’t want to get into those weeds.

Its undeniable that the worst decision regarding Nate Davis wasn’t the one to acquire him in the first place but the continuing decision to keep him despite knowing better. With Claypool at least they gave up and ate the loss, you can respect that.

I agree that you can draw a direct line between the indulgence of Nate Davis and Tyrique blowing the play in DC, which is probably the lynchpin of the entire season. Eberflus' handling of Davis is really the thing that got him fired because everything traces back to it. Poles deservedly catches some flak for SIGNING Davis, but no one ever faults him for not disciplining him once a normal grieving period for the death in his family had passed. He abused the system and everyone in the locker room noticed but Poles did nothing.

Consider though the Lucas Patrick FA signing. Sure, it didn't cost as much, but that was a position they knew they had to lock down and this was, as much as anyone, a Poles choice.

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He made a mockery of them for a year and it culminated in a moment where the Bears were absolutely desperate at the position and needed him just to suit up. He refused to play and the Bears scored three points against one of the three worst teams in the NFL this year.

The fact that he isn’t the slam dunk biggest personnel mistake of Ryan Poles’ tenure says a lot about how bad this has been.

he should never get to play another down of football in the league, but someone will sign him

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When he shows up for another team motivated and playing up to his talent it will be another massive indictment of everything about the way the Bears run their football team.

He'll show up, but can he flip a switch to change after underwhelming for the two teams now?

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Cause tried and true
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life?--Gener and Deaner

Yeah

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They couldn't even get the basics right :

They were tied for the league lead in lining up offsides offensively. They were 11th in offsides. They tied for league lead in illegal substitutions. They were fifth in illegal formations. The 28 false starts they committed tied for the third most, one off the league leaders (Dallas, Tennessee).

That's a coaching issue

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No matter what anyone says, Poles career as Bears GM will ultimately be based upon whether Caleb Williams is good or not. If Caleb continues to suck then Poles will have failed. If he doesn't then Poles will not have failed. It's just that simple.
I lean more towards firing him for a few reasons, but the primary reason is due to my belief that he whiffed on the Caleb selection. Aside from the stupidity of trading Fields, is the decision to select him #1 overall ahead of 3 (possibly 4) who may be better QBs than he happens to be.
And the worst part in all of it is that Poles didn't bother to work any of the other guys out because he was so certain that Caleb was the best QB by far. Which is GM malpractice essentially. You're always supposed to work the top 2-3 guys out in each and every draft regardless of whether you have "Your Guy" or not.

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/end thread. That is it.

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Can I get the list of who these 4 quarterbacks are?

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I’d add that he needs to be great next year. They’ve already wasted a year of his rookie contract.

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Sure
In no particular order
Daniels
Maye
Nix
McCarthy (possibly)

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I don’t understand why you’d include McCarthy and leave out Penix. Penix looked pretty decent, better than Williams definitely.

Where would you place Caleb on this list McCarver?

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McCarthy is the youngest of the group and a kid considered by MANY to be the one with the most upside

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Second, and if Daniels gets injured to the point he can't run like he does now then I think Williams will catch or surpass him. If Daniels somehow can be durable with his unsustainable running style with his frame then Daniels ends up better.

As you pointed out, I did like Maye but he won't be as good as Williams.

Nix and Penix are significantly older but Williams will pass them fairly quickly.

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OK so you have him 2nd. Time will tell

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Didn't Williams run for a lot of yards this year? Wasn't he struggling considerably until he started running old Justin Fields plays?

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81 attempts are on the high side but pretty much every QB with any athletic ability reaches 50 carries a year if they play most of the season. Daniels was at 148 though and he had to stop doing it after he hurt his ribs in the middle of the season.

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