That's not what equates to QB talent. Bigger faster stronger works in single competition but that's not the case for team sports. And for exhibit B I'd urge you to look at Bradys combine photo.

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My assessment was based on the QB position in a team sport.
And when it comes to the QB position, there aren't 3 things that are more valued than size, arm strength, and speed. Never have been, and never will be.

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I don't think Stroud should be a measuring stick for Caleb, even though I expect Caleb to have a better rookie season. Stroud not only played with a defense that carried the team; he also played in a shit division and in an ideal climate nearly every game of the season. I need to see more from him this year. On paper, he has better weapons, too.

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Incredibly wrong again, both on contemporaneous views during his college career and what constitutes talent. It’s a sport - nobody’s trying to be the best at exercising.

Straight line speed almost never matters for a QB. Nobody gives a shit. Why I give Williams a nod over Lawrence is that I thought Lawrence relied too much on running away from his problems in college. It’s not an nfl skill that results in long term team success.

Arm talent matters to some degree, but Ryan Mallett probably had a stronger arm than most guys playing. Jamarcus Russell had a cannon.

Bigger matters to the extent the player can see over the line and survive impact. That’s it. Fields is constantly injured, so it’s irrelevant that he’s heavier and ~1.5” taller.

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Tell doug flutie that. And tell Mr. No rings Marino that. No... not for a quarterback. I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that. Strength and speed are tools that make it easier but that's not what makes a winner.

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Just incredibly wrong.

Decision making. That’s the game. Pre-snap, post-snap…zero physical tools matter more than decision making.

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If there is something Drew Brees is known for it's definitely his size or speed.

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There are no sports outside of the Olympics where physical tools matter most.

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Dan Marino is regarded as one of the best QBs to ever play the game. And one of the reasons is because he had a cannon for an arm. And there isn't anyone that watched him play that would ever say that Dan Marino wasn't a winner.

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I agree. Well... team sports.

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Vegas moved the o/u from 7.5 to 8.5. Most of the division is in a similar spot. I believe that's a sign the division is expected to be good. The general public is betting the under for the Bears. It's usually best to bet the opposite of the public.

The public appears to be pounding the over on the Steelers. I would fade that as well.

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Well that's kinda my point. No rings for Mr. Marino. I dunno was Marino a winner? Was Kelly? Did the arm cannon equal championships? I'm just saying that bigger faster stronger isn't the recipe for success in most team sports, bit football puts it under a microscope. Fields has the physical talent to be amazing but he doesn't have it between the ears. Unfortunately that's what really makes QBs great.

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Winning Championships are not what makes for "Great Quarterbacks" Jim McMahon has a ring and couldn't hold Dan Marino's Jock Strap..Same Goes For Phil Simms. Or Joe Flacco or any other mediocre QB you want to name that has a ring.

And no one would ever say that any of those 3 were more of a "winner" than Dan Marino happened to be.

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LTG: I will give Williams time!

Also LTG: Williams had a bad May practice, and sportsbooks currently think that a team which has lost 24 games over the last two seasons may not make the playoffs this year!

That is some hard hitting NFL analysis right there.

But anyway, NBA conf finals going on, and here we see more NFL discussion taking place.

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Flacco is huge and has a cannon. He’s 2/3rds of the way to greatness.

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Wrong again. McMahon has 2 rings

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It's totally unrealistic for anyone to expect the Bears to make the playoffs after barely missing the playoffs the previous season, upgrading tremendously at the skill positions, and moving on from a player that gurus like Simple Frank repeatedly told US sucked ass. Why anyone would ever have "heightened expectations" given the scenario which I just provided is beyond me, as well as this buffoon also.
And "WE" know what his "recipe for winning" was with the White Sox don't "we". Shit was fucking food poison.

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Now that's what I call "insight" Judr the sort that "WE" know to have served the White Sox all too well

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He also has a ring which means GMs value him more than Marino too correct? Hall Of Fame voters as well right?

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Well now, yeah.

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Money is coming in on Steelers under...juice is up to around -150 if at some point I see Fields is the starter I will increase my wager on the under.

The Bears over is getting pounded.
Jonny Avello, who runs the Draftkings book, said a few weeks ago " We are going to take a lot of Bears money"

Another win for Caleb's parents.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/deion-sand ... 50886.html

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Chris Simms speaks!

https://youtu.be/k-3s_aFO6Ss?si=h8qyWAVtAz4lDZF4

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No new ground there. He was Caleb's biggest fan Pre Draft as well.

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Please stick to basketball. Your football thoughts are horrible and I don't watch basketball anymore. Post stupid thoughts all you want on it.

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Get over Yourself dude. Much like Caller Bob and Flim Flamming Frank, when people talk about guys with actual thoughts, you ain't one of them. As "WE' can see with this latest dumbass thought of yours.
You just stated that a dude that was "undrafted" out of college (Kurt Warner) was valued more highly than guys that were bigger, faster, and had a stronger arm. He was so highly valued that he had to bag groceries before checking into the league. Do you not "understand" how stupid that sounds?

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I just listed three hall of fame QB's that ended their career with "more value" (your stupid label) then the guys that were bigger, faster and had stronger arms. Your value argument is not a measure for how good a QB will be. It obviously helps, but is not the determining factor.

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Arm and athletic traits matter, but I think the ability to process information under pressure and the ability to handle pressure in critical moments are what you need to be a consistent Super Bowl quarterback. Tom Terrific and Mahomes should make that clear. Neither has huge arms or elite athletic traits. Both are elite at processing and handling pressure in critical moments.

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Highly valued QBs don't go undrafted and go to the Canadian Football League. I won't go into the other guys, but some of the same rules apply. That they had better careers doesn't change the point. That you provided a few outliers doesn't change the facts.

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You think Fields is such a great QB, but a "value" of $50 causes you to back down again.

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