top 25% of the league gets automatic NFL HOF admittance, right? they could get in.

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I'm not sure how any can say that a player that will finish his career with over 10k yards rush and over 15 yards from scrimmage won't be a HoF player. If you foolishly believe Forte sucks than that's your problem. The same is true for Brandon Marshall. He'll end up with about 14k yards receiving and 90 touchdowns.

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Huge logjam before Marshall. Marshall won't get in.

Forte probably won't either. He has to have 3-4 more good years and I wouldn't bet on any RB doing that. I think you have to be a pretty special back like LT or AP to get in and Forte isn't near that.

Marshall and Forte are very good players. But I think it takes someone with pretty low HOF standards to see them and think "Yep, he's definitely in."

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Isn't half the '85 team in the HoF? I could see 1-2 Bears get in as a charity.

Numbers don't lie. If Forte is productive for 2 more years (when he turns 30) he'll be near 15k yards from scrimmage and 10k yards on the ground. He should be able to play until he's at least 33 considering how he has avoided a lot of punishment. No reason Marshall shouldn't be able to play until he's 36.

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Like I said, you have lower standards than I do. If you have to make a numbers case for a guy, he shouldn't be in. HOF is something you should be able to say YES or NO to within seconds of hearing the name.

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You can't dismiss them. We have a lot of Bears fans that say Forte sucks because he doesn't have elite speed or tries to run over people. I have to point out how he's consistently been one of the best running backs despite having a shitty offense every year. The eye test doesn't work for everyone. Also in an era where there are very few every down RB's he gets a bump for that too.

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I think you're being a little glib with these projections, but even if they pan out, both guys played in an offense-heavy era that promoted the accumulation of a lot of volume stats. In Forte's case, this is exacerbated by the fact that football culture no longer values RBs (Jerome Bettis is 5th all-time in rushing yards and won a Super Bowl, and he's not in the Hall); there's the real possibility that Adrian Peterson is the only RB from this era to get in. In Marshall's case, it's exacerbated by the fact that at least three (Johnsons Calvin and Andre, Larry Fitzgerald) and possibly four (Reggie Wayne) other guys are going in before Marshall even enters the conversation.

There are also the idiot sportswriter arguments that actually end up determining this stuff. Neither guy has had a dominant season or a signature moment in a big game. Neither defined his era in any particular fashion or played on a particularly memorable team. Neither has, at any point in his career, been the best player at his respective position.

And finally, though I hate the Bernstein Method Of Player Comparisons, the Most Similar Player tool is a quick, easy shorthand for these sorts of discussions.

Forte: Warrick Dunn, Earl Campbell*, Calvin Hill, Sam Cunningham, Chris Johnson, Charley Taylor*, Curtis Martin*, Herschel Walker, Chuck Muncie, Greg Pruitt

Marshall: Cris Collinsworth, Fred Biletnikoff*, Plaxico Burress, Drew Pearson, Steve Largent*, Art Powell, John Gilliam, Keyshawn Johnson, Anthony Miller, Hines Ward

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Warrick Dunn 10,967 rushing 4,339 receiving
Corey Dillon 11,241 rushing 1,913 receiving
Steven Jackson 10,681 rushing 3,515 receiving
Ricky Watters 10,643 rushing 4,248 receiving
Tiki Barber 10,449 rushing 5,183 receiving

Matt Forte 6,666 rushing 2,919 receiving

He will need to surpass these Hall of Very Good Players.

You don't have to convince me that Forte has been under appreciated during his time here. I've said that for years also and started threads about it and been called a moron for saying the offense should be focused around his talents. But I don't think id say he's s HOFer. Just a very good, durable, consistent RB.

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I have no idea what you think you're accomplishing by torching this particular strawman, but I can assure you I do not believe that either guy sucks.

/cue KDiddit: "lolz oh ya u said Marshal suxs rite after u had sex w/ ur calculator!!!1"

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Lacy is younger yes, but does he have the receiving skills forte has? Forte has turned into an adept runner and formidable pass catching threat out of the backfield.




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With 2 more really good years he'll have over 9000 yards rushing and 4000 yards receiving. Considering how he's taken care of his body and avoided big hits it's not a stretch to believe he could play 3 more years after that and add another 800 yards from scrimmage per season to his totals. In my world those are HoF numbers in an era with very few every down backs.

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Hall Of Very Good for both Forte and Marshall.

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Lacy and Forte are completely different. Lacy is a good receiver, but he's not on Forte's level there. Just like Forte is not on Lacy's level in short yardage/goal line situations.

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Lacy is a fat fuck. He sucks and will be lucky to be in the league in 3 years.

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I'm happy you added more than gifs. Marshall may need a couple of SB's to help. I thought his numbers were better before I looked. In Forte's case I see him as a Curtis Martin type. Never the best at his position but always near the top. I don't think fans appreciate how he was able to produce behind some god awful offensive lines and some terrible offenses. Especially in an era where there may be a handful of every down backs.

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Forte should take notes. In football parlance that's called a broken tackle. He might want to try it sometimes.

I think LT is surefire HoF. Even then the dearth of RB candidates proves your point. However I don't think it's an issue of RBs not being valued anymore. I just think the game planning has found ways to utilize them in non traditional ways, and also maybe in ways that don't reflect in the stat book. Think of the pressure the Saints used to put on defenses by having Bush or Sproles line up at WR. Now they're certainly not HoF players, but the value of RBs like them is often expressed in plays where they are nothing but decoys, or where their mere presence creates space elsewhere on the field which is then exploited by design. It's like using Urlachers speed and athleticism to cover space in the middle of the field. His value was considerable, yet what actually happened is him just running around in open space. No weekly game changing tackles, force fumbles, etc.

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Martin is 4th on the all-time rushing list and didn't make the Hall on his first ballot. I have no idea how introducing Curtis Martin into this conversation bolsters your case that Forte is a "likely" Hall of Famer.

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Obv. I was sticking to active players.

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Likely means I believe that there is a good chance that he will get in. Guys that I know will be in I'll call them HoFers. Like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

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Still jerking it to DVORs? No wait, DVOAs.

I am, yes.

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And what exactly does Curtis Martin have to do with this?

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You inserted him into the debate. Despite his size his skill set and numbers are comparable to Forte's.

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Again, Martin is the league's all-time #4 rusher, and didn't get in until his second ballot. Even assuming Forte breaks some major NFL record (which is a big assumption), the fact that he has similar skills doesn't really bode well, especially since his career is coeval with Peterson's.

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