if the agent is truly being out of line with the ask.... then the bears need to put a full court media press on the agent. kick it in to high gear.

This is the only thing the Bears have done right in years. #BearDown

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This has already impacted how he will play in the regular season. We are about a week away from him not being able to be active for Game 1.

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He loves football so much he's willing to sit out regular season games.

Florio framed it that he wanted to be protected if he threw a punch “defending a teammate”. You’d think they could carve out exceptions for stuff like that and come to a compromise.

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Again, what is he protecting? In order for him to be in bad standing with the Bears enough to try to take back guaranteed money then he will have had to have had multiple bad guy acts. In that case he is a loser.

As it is any suspension the NFL takes game checks that he claims he does not want to lose. The Bears can't stop that. So he is willing to lose game checks so he does not lose game checks?

This entire thing seems asinine. I look forward to whenever the truth comes out.

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Bears can't stop shooting themselves in the dick even when things are on the upswing. Love it.

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From what I understand, contracts are mainly three things.
Yearly salary, broken down by the game.
Production and roster bonuses.
Guaranteed money like signing bonuses and bonuses that happen almost immediately.

Teams structure it that way in order to play as many games as they can with the salary cap. The player doesn't care as they get paid regardless.

So, if he were to get suspended, the league takes his game check away. He may lose out on production bonuses too. If he gets cut because of it, he loses the future roster bonuses which you get for simply being on the team at the time it comes up.

That leaves the guaranteed money. This is the money he gets immediately or almost immediately upon signing. He gets it before he ever plays a game. There have been situations where teams, a few years later, have tried to get them to pay back that money because they didn't "finish the contract" because of off the field issues. This isn't how it was designed. That initial payment was supposed to be his regardless. I assume there is some language that stops them from retiring the day after but otherwise it should be theirs forever.

So, the player is 100% right here. That should be his money no matter how many people he kills in the offseason. That's the contract. There are a lot of other things in the contract that take away future money but the guaranteed money should be guaranteed. Now, should he derail his rookie year so he has assurances that he can kill someone and still keep that first round of money? I would say no unless the plan is to go and do something like that.

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No idea on if it's true, but doesn't it feel like most of the time that this happens the player turns out to be a bust? Curtis Enis comes to mind. I know Joey Bosa has done well, but it feels like he is the exception.

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There are a few in this thread.

They would sign someone else's check for them, they just wouldn't sign their own.

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Would you go after money you already paid an employee?

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I wouldn't, but then again, no one is paid in advance like pro athletes. I believe most signing bonuses, where they exist, are paid out after you have been at a company six months. All incentive compensation is paid in arrears.

Claw backs now have force of law for public company executives under Dodd Frank.

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I follow you but I do not know if its entirely true particularly in this case. If we look at a past favorite contract of yours we might see where it is an issue. Lets play with numbers just to make it easier. Cutler gets a 100M deal with 70M guaranteed. He does not get a 70M signing bonus I am sure of that. So he gets 20M signing, maybe some other crap bonuses you mention etc. There still in these deals a measure of guaranteed money every year I would think just to spread it out.

In other words, I doubt Smith is worried only about them going back after money already paid. There must be hard money as the years go along. Perhaps it is something like the 5th year does not guarantee at all if he gets suspended?

We really do not know.

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I didn't say he would get it all as signing bonus. It's that he is getting that money regardless as long as he doesn't retire voluntarily. Now, you are correct that some guaranteed money in the Cutler contract was paid out in year 2 and 3. However, Cutler was getting that no matter what even if he was cut.

No, this is not why. It's about going after money he has ALREADY received or is due to receive. This has happened to other players.

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Think Aaron Hernandez here.

IF it's true that he is not signing because of hold backs based upon HIS personal behavior...than that is a tire fire, not a red flag.

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I'd split guaranteed money into signing bonus and guaranteed money. Signing bonus is due when signed. Guaranteed money is money owed to the player but paid out on a schedule. I think if they cut the player, the balance of guaranteed money is then due, at least that's how it is applied to the salary cap.

In an Aaron Hernandez situation, any future money owed becomes irrelevant just like if he had retired.

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I think that is how it works for nearly every player.

The issue is that teams have gone after signing bonus money when a player is cut for disciplinary reasons because it was supposed to be for the full contract. Signing bonus money should be the players unless they voluntarily quit.

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I think that is how it works for nearly every player.

The issue is that teams have gone after signing bonus money when a player is cut for disciplinary reasons because it was supposed to be for the full contract. Signing bonus money should be the players unless they voluntarily quit.

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If I was the Bears I would give him a take it or leave it offer expiring in 3 days. If he doesn't take it the Bears will let him rot a year in the CFL and he can enjoy being a 4th round pick next year losing tens of millions of dollars.

My guess is the NFL will give the Bears a good comp pick for taking a "Pro Owner" stand.

I will say, I think the Bears did drop the ball by not looking into his past as a militant trouble maker. Mediocre player, terrible human being

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/ ... t-nfl-2018





We drafted an "Activist" not a football player.

Try to read what happened there before making a comment.

Thanks.

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Caller Bob appears to have been correct about this pick.

I can't believe I just typed that.

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I did take a lot of heat on draft day. It's ok, they stoned Jesus too.

Yup. Tired of the distraction. Don't need training camp to be all about a guy who isn't even there. He signs by Friday or the Bears should walk away. Another top 10 bust is nothing for Bears fans.

News to me.

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What do you mean?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2017/04/20/aaron-hernandez-estate-not-likely-collect-more-money-from-patriots/q1lDGaTyyElNoSBAHwSgJM/story.html


What didn't I read? When he was arrested, no future money was paid out.

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I was just reading a Forbes article that talked about the rookie contracts and fifth year option for the first rounders. The way they laid it out is the early round contracts are virtually all guaranteed. As you stated it is through signing bonuses mostly. One example had a 26M contract with 18M bonus.

At any rate while in principal you should not go back after bonus it seems the NFL would due better to redefine or structure these differently. Without going after bonus already paid they have little protection. Not that I care but very little pay is able to be fined for suspension or recovery.

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We should simplify this. No more bonuses or guarantees.

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