The offense has some good young talent, especially if you still count Bennett among it, but you still described 4 needs on offense and a lot of needs on defense.

You are putting a lot of faith that some of the older players on offense keep it up though.

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Depends on what you mean by "old." Jeffery and the rookie linemen are long-term mainstays, and I think you get 2-3 years more of good Brandon Marshall and Matt Forte before they start to decline. Bushrod is also up there at 28, but perhaps his assumed decline will be offset by the projected growth of Long and Mills.

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Who playing quarterback gives the Bears a better chance at making the playoffs next year; Jay Cutler or "whatever rookie QB"?

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The Ravens D was slightly above average last year. The Giants had the 27th ranked defense when they won. The Saints were in the 20s a few years ago.

You can get a serviceable D and win with an offense. The Bears have enough offensive talent to consider that a possibility.

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Probably rookie QB + $16 million spent on improving other holes.

It's not like Cutler has a great track record of leading teams to the playoffs.

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A rookie QB isn't going to be any more expensive than anybody else you get to be a backup.

Josh McCown is making $840k this year. Russell Wilson is making $390k.

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There are only 2 choices for this question right now, Rick. I'm asking you to pick one of the above.

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It's higher for qbs in the first round though.

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The rookie QB with the added salary cap room is my answer.

Unless of course your question indicates that the Bears will then keep the salary cap space and use it to build a hotel next to Soldier Field.

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You shouldn't need to take a 1st round guy. With the depth, Tresty should be able to get someone he can work with. A guy like Sean Mannion might be around still in the 4th. There are a lot of QBs in this draft.

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Rick with a great non answer answer, assuming things in his own way. We'll have to remember that next time he poses a question to somebody here.

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I think you are putting yourself in a bad situation if you don't go in the first round. They will go fast this time. Didn't someone earlier in this thread talk about how poorly the results were past the first round?

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Kyle Orton was a 4th round pick.

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Come on Frank. This whole thread has been about how a cheaper and younger quarterback gives you more cap space to sign other players. You can't take it out of the equation. It is the equation.

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I think they should go 2nd round. I was just giving an example of a guy that could hit even as late as 4th.

I don't think the talent dropoff is so large that you need to pick one at 20th-ish in the 1st round. I think, for this draft, you could wait and get a solid prospect in the 2nd or trade up early in the 2nd if necessary.

I'm just saying Tresty would know what he's looking for more than I would but I'm guessing a solid pocket passer.

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Exactly. We need better.

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Yes, but you're assuming that younger, cheaper player will also be effective. That is why I think your argument partially rests on the assumption that since other teams have experienced success with young QBs, so will the Bears. That's a fallacy that you've denied, but it keeps popping up, ever so implicitly, every time you talk about having a young QB. The success of Wilson, Luck, etc., have absolutely nothing to do with the likelihood for success of anyone in the 2014 draft, let alone the next five and onward.

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I didn't say anything about salary cap. I simply asked what QB gave the Bears a better chance to win next year, and BRick put his own spin on it.

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Of course it does. There is a ton of evidence that quarterbacks come out now ready to play. Of course I don't have a crystal ball to know how well a rookie will play. We might as well keep every player on the team since there is always a chance the replacement will be worse.

So you got me. A rookie QB may be bad. Let's sign Cutler to a 10 year deal because that will always be possible.

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Fine. I'll go with the rookie QB.

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Let's draft 7 QBs and rotate them each series. That would be 7x better!

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Technically Wilson's success, for example, has nothing to do with how a rookie QB will do. The rookie may or not be good, but that's independent of Wilson's experience, or even his existence. One does not need to happen in order to have the other happen.

I never implied or stated that, since we don't know how a new QB will do, let's sign Cutler to avoid drafting a dud. I did say, however, that it'd be ideal to hold on to Cutler for the time being while drafting another, only because we know Cutler's "floor," and that would be good insurance should the new QB turn out to be a bust.

The risk of drafting someone, as you know, is him turning out to be a bust, but given that the Bears have a "win now" offense, it makes more sense to avoid that risk by simply holding on to a known commodity while grooming a prospect. Going the other way, I would have no problems drafting a rookie and saying goodbye to Cutler if the Bears were tearing the whole thing down. But they're not, so that changes the calculus a bit.

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As an aside, I always read that screen name as vegasfan and picture you as a real partier which is quite different than when I look closer and then read the real name.

My brain still does it every time.

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Jesus wept, 10 fucking pages?

Franchise Cutler as he will be the stopgap until a top draft pick is brought in at QB to replace him. Bears are not going to the SB with Cutler. I'm over him. I believe Trestman wants a rookie QB to cultivate and to learn the offense without any pre-conceived ideas or physical ticks.

The defense will need to be rebuilt with FA's and some draft picks. Focus on the safeties, DE's and CB's. They're all old and/or just suck. The majority of the money needs to be spent here and not on some gimpy, shitty, underperforming journeyman QB like the one the Bears have now.

Cutler had such potential, but it was wasted here in his first two years under Lovie and fuckface Martz.

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Well, 3 or 4 of those consisted of the worst discussion of models this board has ever seen.

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Amen.

Hey at least we're not discussing the shitsack football team from Champaign-Urbana (my alma mater as well).

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The Bears could draft Nathan Scheelhaase.

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Why does U of I even try to play football? It's so embarrassing.

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I don't know what you are saying here. It's simply evidence of how college players are more prepared than ever. It's a pretty obvious point that Wilson won't physically affect the performance of a rookie.
You seem very concerned that the next QB will be a bust and you seem to be arguing you shouldn't take the risk even when many other organizations have done it to success. If you are that averse to the risk then just sign Cutler for 5 years and be pretty sure he won't suck.
Unless something happens that changes things, the Bears are far from "win now" mode, especially with a new coach and a new GM. I think we'll be looking back at the end of the year wishing the rebuilding would have started sooner rather than wanting to extend the "win now" mode another year.

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