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Fields has never had a game winning drive.


He's had MULTIPLE game ending turnovers.

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Fields has never had a game winning drive for the Bears.


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I saw a stat but can't find it anymore. In the fourth quarter when Fields has a chance to tie or take the lead, he has something like 6 INTs, 3 fumbles, 0 TDs and 60 yards passing. He's not good when he has to think or when he is under pressure.

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You think when you're not under pressure so if he can't be either there's no time he is good for

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I saw a stat but can't find it anymore. In the fourth quarter when Fields has a chance to tie or take the lead, he has something like 6 INTs, 3 fumbles, 0 TDs and 60 yards passing. He's not good when he has to think or when he is under pressure.


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Fields has never had a game winning drive.


He's had MULTIPLE game ending turnovers.

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I saw a stat but can't find it anymore. In the fourth quarter when Fields has a chance to tie or take the lead, he has something like 6 INTs, 3 fumbles, 0 TDs and 60 yards passing. He's not good when he has to think or when he is under pressure.


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I saw a stat but can't find it anymore. In the fourth quarter when Fields has a chance to tie or take the lead, he has something like 6 INTs, 3 fumbles, 0 TDs and 60 yards passing. He's not good when he has to think or when he is under pressure.


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A minus. He had no chance on that fumble. He was crushed as soon as the ball came to him. Poor use of time-outs by Eberfuck also cost them.

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Do you really think Poles is going to give Fields 50 million a year. I just don't buy it. I don't think anyone in the building truly believes in him.


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Do you really think Poles is going to give Fields 50 million a year. I just don't buy it. I don't think anyone in the building truly believes in him.

He has to. As The Hawk said Fields is the best QB in the league.

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
I saw a stat but can't find it anymore. In the fourth quarter when Fields has a chance to tie or take the lead, he has something like 6 INTs, 3 fumbles, 0 TDs and 60 yards passing. He's not good when he has to think or when he is under pressure.


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Tired of hearing that Fields had a great game or even his best game. He was good until he wasn’t and then he was terrible. It was a bad game. You can’t ignore the fact that he fucked up and lost the game. No he wasn’t the only one responsible for the loss but the fumble is inexcusable and the pick was a bad throw whether he thought Kmet was supposed to sit or not.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
I saw a stat but can't find it anymore. In the fourth quarter when Fields has a chance to tie or take the lead, he has something like 6 INTs, 3 fumbles, 0 TDs and 60 yards passing. He's not good when he has to think or when he is under pressure.


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Tired of hearing that Fields had a great game or even his best game.
:lol: well it’s going to be a long week for you then my friend unless you plan on staying away from sports radio and football social media.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
I saw a stat but can't find it anymore. In the fourth quarter when Fields has a chance to tie or take the lead, he has something like 6 INTs, 3 fumbles, 0 TDs and 60 yards passing. He's not good when he has to think or when he is under pressure.


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Tired of hearing that Fields had a great game or even his best game.
:lol: well it’s going to be a long week for you then my friend unless you plan on staying away from sports radio and football social media.


Thursday night it ends or extends.

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I mean, it was his best game. It's ok to say it was his best game as a Bear.

I think Fields will ultimately fail but at least there was small sliver of hope there.

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I mean, it was his best game. It's ok to say it was his best game as a Bear.

I think Fields will ultimately fail but at least there was small sliver of hope there.


What hope, dude. I agree it was his best game - good for him - but what does maybe 3 good starts out of 29ish mean? It certainly doesn't mean hope. Just an outlier.

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I mean, it was his best game. It's ok to say it was his best game as a Bear.

I think Fields will ultimately fail but at least there was small sliver of hope there.


In his best game as a Bear he threw a costly interception, had a costly grounding penalty and fumbled (though, that was less on him and more on the play call) in the fourth quarter. His accuracy issues crept back in as the pressure of the game mounted, including overthrowing Herbert in open space. In two years, Fields is 1-15 on fourth quarter drives that could tie the game or take the lead. The one success was a 0 yard drive set up by Roquan Smith.

I guess the question becomes, is the sliver of hope only relevant against one of the worst defenses who looked like they couldn't give a shit for 3 quarters? I really hope I'm wrong, but I think the first three quarters were an aberration.

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I guess the question becomes, is the sliver of hope only relevant against one of the worst defenses who looked like they couldn't give a shit for 3 quarters? I really hope I'm wrong, but I think the first three quarters were an aberration.


Why is this so hard. The performance shouldn't cause any further reflection on Fields or really make any "hope they're wrong" on still thinking Fields sucks after yesterday. Again it's like three good quarters out of 116. If you ended the season today he'd still receive an F after accounting for the first three games. I don't know if it's only in Chicago where there is this widespread allergy to statistical perspectives and where 3 good quarters of throwing is sufficient to throw out 100+ quarters of awful throwing. It's really maddening.

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I guess the question becomes, is the sliver of hope only relevant against one of the worst defenses who looked like they couldn't give a shit for 3 quarters? I really hope I'm wrong, but I think the first three quarters were an aberration.


Why is this so hard. The performance shouldn't cause any further reflection on Fields or really make any "hope they're wrong" on still thinking Fields sucks after yesterday. Again it's like three good quarters out of 116. If you ended the season today he'd still receive an F after accounting for the first three games. I don't know if it's only in Chicago where there is this widespread allergy to statistical perspectives and where 3 good quarters of throwing is sufficient to throw out 100+ quarters of awful throwing. It's really maddening.


I don't disagree. Even with Fields' history, I'm saying that the three best quarters of his career were against a defense that seemed to still be shellshocked from last week. I think Matt Ryan mentioned a few times how lost the DBs looked most of the game. Those three quarters never happen against an average or above defense.

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I mean, it was his best game. It's ok to say it was his best game as a Bear.

I think Fields will ultimately fail but at least there was small sliver of hope there.


What hope, dude. I agree it was his best game - good for him - but what does maybe 3 good starts out of 29ish mean? It certainly doesn't mean hope. Just an outlier.

He threw four touchdowns in a game. There is a small reason for optimism when someone in an NFL game shows they still have that type of ability.

It may very well be an outlier. Rex Grossman had a HOF level stretch of 6 games. It's just not worth getting upset about a game he throws for 99 yards and then the next week he goes for 300 and 4 touchdowns and you have the same reaction.

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I don't know how much faith you can put in their analysis, but from Da Bears Blog: https://www.dabearsblog.com/2023/reviewing-justin-fields-game-against-denver

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Robert Schmitz | October 3rd, 2023

Below is an honest review of Justin Fields’ game against the Broncos:

Fields looked like a dynamo early, doing nearly everything Bears fans have begged him to all year — he hit throws over the middle, he hit long balls down the sideline, and he did it all on-time & within the structure of the offense. Banner day.

But why did it happen on Sunday? In my opinion, Fields’ success was largely due to a bizarre Broncos’ first half gameplan — for some reason, despite knowing Fields struggles against zone coverage, Vance Joseph called man coverage with a ridiculous 10-yard cushion all the way through halftime.

Knowing this, Fields & Getsy dialed up every WR pick play & isolation play they had in the playbook. Everything worked, and Fields never needed to look past Read #2 — usually, read #1 was open, but if not #2 absolutely was. Bootlegs worked great too because the cross-field chaos created natural picks & generated WRs in space with a linebackers in pursuit.

All of this meant that while Fields had to make plenty of physically demanding throws (like the strike to Moore over the middle rolling out or the corner TD throw), more often than not Fields knew where he was throwing the ball before each play started. He could laser-lock on the target he wanted, and the Broncos defense would reward him for it.

Fields finished the half with phenomenal statistics that attested to his great day. 3 strong drives, 3 TDs, and only 1 incompletion — the Hail Mary Chicago attempted at the end of the half.

But then, beginning in the first drive of the 2nd half, Vance Joseph started calling more and more spot-drop zones & Fields started checking the ball down. The deeper shots within the offense disappeared while Herbert & Kmet got peppered with backfield targets — some targets picked up yards, some didn’t. Slowly, the Broncos got more stops.


This is because spot-drop zone attacks one of the biggest weaknesses in Fields’ game — his sense of timing when throwing into the gaps (or ‘soft spots’) within 7-man zone coverages. Fields wants to see his man cleanly break open, and in the NFL that’s often too late. Thus, Fields would check it down.

This defensive game plan & result may sound familiar to you, because it’s exactly what Green Bay did in Week 1. It’s also what Todd Bowles’ Buccaneers team pivoted towards in Week 2 after their blitz-heavy approach led to a gashing on the opening drive. These defenses sat back in zones, fenced Fields into the pocket, and waited for him to come to them. In those games, he did.

The Broncos used spot-drop zones to force the Bears’ first 3 & out of the game. Then, on the next drive, Denver caught Chicago leaning on one-too-many bootlegs and forced a nasty fumble that just can’t happen, regardless of who you want to blame. Suddenly, the game was tied.

On the ensuing Bears possession, Denver used spot-drop on 2 of it’s first 3 plays — Fields hit his checkdown in both. Marcedes Lewis got flagged for holding on the first play & Fields threw too high for Herbert on the 2nd. Suddenly, after a Larry Borom false start, it was 3rd & 10.

Vance Joseph just couldn’t help himself and called Man/Match coverage one more time. Fields scrambled for 20 yards himself. A huge play! And, apparently, the last passing play the Bears’ coaches felt like they needed to attempt on the most important drive of the game. Ultimately, they turned the ball over on downs (which leads to a separate conversation about the coaching, but we’ll save that for another time)

Thus, down 31-28, Fields had the opportunity to tie (or win) the game and knew exactly what coverage he was going to see — some variation of spot-drop zone.

Fields threw an interception to end the game. Cole Kmet says he recognized match coverage & adjusted his route accordingly, but thinks Fields read zone on the play. Ultimately, the Bears lost.

To wrap this up, I think Fields played well, especially early. He looked like he was playing comfortable and free, and that’s always a fun thing to watch. And against the Broncos’ Man and Match coverages, Fields & the Bears were nearly unstoppable.

But if Fields can’t consistently beat zone coverage, especially spot-drop zone (one of the easier zone defenses to implement within any defensive structure), Justin is going to have major issues that won’t go away.

Luke Getsy and the offense need to work with him to find zone-beating passing concepts that Fields likes, but at some point the QB needs to show he can throw into the windows of a zone defense. There’s no way to just avoid this.

Justin Fields has a lot to prove against Washington on Thursday — no doubt Ron Rivera, a Lovie Smith Cover 2/Tampa 2 acolyte, has seen the Week 1, Week 2, and Week 4 tape. They’ve got a ferocious Defensive Line & a strong group of DBs. It’s another huge test for Chicago’s signal-caller, and one I hope to see him pass. We’ll see.


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I don't know how much faith you can put in their analysis, but from Da Bears Blog: https://www.dabearsblog.com/2023/reviewing-justin-fields-game-against-denver

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So Denver was so fucking dumb they didn’t go into the game with the same game plan that the other three teams have used to shut him down and instead it took them entire half of football where they got picked apart to say hey we should do what those other teams did. Sean Payton or the DC should be fired just on that alone. That being said and Occam‘s razor and all that certainly dictates that was more on what Denver was doing there anything that Fields did in the 1st half .

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No problem believing fields played a b+/a- game and also believing he sucks at the same time. It happens. Saying he played good doesn't hurt your position that he sucks. Just give credit where credit is due. Statistically, he'd have to repeat that kind of performance for 10+ games for it to move his atrocious career numbers upwards, so until he does that then the numbers speak for themselves, and the numbers still suck.

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I mean, it was his best game. It's ok to say it was his best game as a Bear.

I think Fields will ultimately fail but at least there was small sliver of hope there.


Against a Broncos team that gave up 70! the week before.

Did people watch a different game then what I was watching? His receivers were WIDE open in the first half.

The Bears had to cut the field in half and roll him out because he can not run the entire playbook.

He was not very accurate. Almost got D.Moore and Mooney hurt on throws that should have been in the numbers but ended up high, low or wide, exposing his WR's to injury.

After the Broncos made adjustments and stopped giving the WR's 10ft of separation, he crumbled and went back into his head.


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Heard yesterday Broncos defensive DOA worst ever since the start of it being tracked going back to 1981...bravo Justin on your breakout 3 quarters of a game


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I don't think I'm overstating it to say that after tonight we will know if Justin Fields is a future NFL superstar or a bust that will be out of the league soon.

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