His current TD total is equivalent to the dynamic QB duo of Joe Flacco and Anthony Richardson

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Who has literally said any Caleb Williams performance is better than Joe Burrow's 2021 career game? Your latest tick is clinging to "accuracy on attempts of x" yards and getting indignant when people say that's not indicative of "the least accurate passer in the NFL", even thought MANY of those same people agree with the fundamental point that Caleb's down field inaccuracy is of some concern.

You just lack awareness.

So Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams have thrown for a similar number of points, is that correct?

You say that they have. The numbers don't

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What I have been saying all along is that Caleb Williams fundamental lack of arm talent combined with his habit of totally panicking under any sort of pass rush is career ending. That’s it.

You somehow disagree, like this stuff will just improve for idk maybe some sort of mystical reason? You seem to think that sophomore improvement is just a given, despite the fact that it’s often not and if anything Williams is a huge candidate to get worse in 2025. And the knots you tie yourself in to back these claims up is really no less divorced from reality than saying Zach Wilson is better than Joe Burrow.

Correct I don't read LTG's Caleb posts.

I wasn't cherry picking any stats, I just listed the four most commonly used ones outside of yards, TDs, INTs. Completion percentage and YPA alone would show you the siginificant gap in quality of play between Daniels and Caleb. I don't really care if you prefer QBR, QB Rating, EPA/Play, or think all 3 are useless. Any complete look at each player's entire statistical profile would show that Daniels, inarguably, has been significantly better than Caleb this year. You have zero credibility on this topic if you continue to pretend that isn't the case.

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I stopped reading at "fundamental lack of arm talent".

Also, this part is particularly amusing. Even during the season when Daniels was dominating Caleb statistically I said it was obvious Caleb will be the better long term QB than Daniels. I still would take Caleb over Daniels, but I would drop the obvious part since Daniels is better than I thought and Caleb so far has been worse. So there's no narrative I'm trying to spin or defend. Your posts on the topic are definitely trying to spin a narrative though, and it's clear to anyone reading.

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Your loss

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And honestly anyone who thinks that the hiring of a new coach will be the magic pill that unlocks Caleb Williams is fooling themselves. Some of the issues (namely accuracy downfield) are issues that will not be corrected simply by the hiring of a new coach.
I peeped his accuracy issues during the preseason when he had difficulty with simple swing passes out of the backfired. He never seemed able to hit his receivers in stride on said passes. Which are fairly easy passes to throw for NFL caliber QBs.

The other portion of his game that might be difficult for even a great coach to correct is the fascination that he has with making the spectacular play. A lot of his "off platform" stuff occurs as a result of this fascination.

And he also has to become better with his fundamentals.He needs to scrap all of the one legged, back footed, sidearm throws. That shit is mostly ineffective and isn't a recipe for long term NFL success.

He has to get better at simply planting and throwing if he is ever going to be any good in the NFL.

Which is why it is imperative that they hire an established NFL Head Coach with an established Super Bowl pedigree. If they hire an assistant coach, this kid will "buffalo" and try to "big time" him. I'm 100% convinced of this.

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Oh OK maybe you have some other term for “least accurate passer” in the league I don’t know.

I know emotions can run high at times during NFL games, but it's B.S. like this which might give an in demand coaching prospect cause for pause. Who looks forward to dealing with this shit?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Iod-VbdM-gI? ... nmtuBf61NQ

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Aren’t there enough threads covering everything Caleb Williams and all possible metrics mathematics can conceive to tell you whether he’s going succeed or fail..?


My goodness while you heathens are playing tug of war over your opinions about Caleb Williams the Bears are going to hire Anthony fucking Weaver to coach this damn team.. let’s take a break from Caleb and talk about how much more this organization can suck it’s own ass

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

This is the same tired, boring ass conversation that has dominated the majority of Score sportstalk for at least the past 30 years. From Mike North and his "yeah" "yeah" "yeah" B.S. that he had going with Michael McCaskey to some clown on here wishing that a 100 year old woman drops dead for no apparent reason.

Personally speaking, I've never understood why anyone could ever be the fan of a franchise (any franchise) if all they were ever going to do is bitch about ownership. But then again maybe that's just me.

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Chicago Bears
General manager Ryan Poles will be at the controls for the search for the next head coach of the Bears. As previously reported, the Bears will seek out a "leader of men" as one of the primary traits in their next head coach.

Several sources have said team owner George McCaskey plans to be hands-off during the early search.

"George wants Ryan to run this," said a source. "Kevin will get what he needs to keep him involved but it's Ryan's decision, and Ryan's running point. Philosophically George's view is football stays football. Even though the reporting structure is Ryan going to Kevin, George wants football people making football decisions."

A second source offered a more cynical view of McCaskey being hands off. "He doesn't want any of the blame if this doesn't work out," the person said.

A third source noted that Warren, in his first search as team president, may want a splash hire to excite the fan base and "help him get a stadium," alluding to the issues facing the team as it hopes to move on from Soldier Field in the coming years.

A head coach candidate in Chicago needs plans for Caleb Williams and game management. The young quarterback has had an up-and-down rookie season, and the team has been plagued by situational football issues throughout the year.

It is possible the next head coach decides to move interim head coach Thomas Brown back to offensive coordinator, where Williams had some brief success before Brown was named the interim head coach and had his focus taken away from the quarterback's development as his main priority.

Mostly because I started watching during the pre-season in 85 as a kid and saw them go all the way. My fate was sealed after that. The bitching about it didn’t start until Trestman for me.

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Thomas Brown will be fetching coffee for someone next year as an assistant offensive coach, he certainly was not impressive during his tenure as the Bears OC and HC, some country dumb play calling and obvious regression from his rookie QB.

Stuff is starting to come out about how much Caleb has struggled to adjust to the speed of the NFL game, you can see him struggling to make line calls and read defenses, this is all expected from a rookie QB and could have been mitigated by the GM by bringing in a competent OC, signing a veteran center to make the line calls, and by upgrading the interior of the offensive line.

The failure of this front office is staggering, repeatedly missing obvious and easy personnel decisions that would have supported the rookie QB. Hiring the wrong HC, who then hired the wrong OC, who then put together one of the worst offensive coaching staffs in football, this all stems from ownerships ongoing incompetence, sounds as if that incompetence will continue.

The Bears will have to do something very unBearslike to break this cycle or we will be right back here next season and every 3-4 years until the ownership group changes.

Anthony Weaver-HC
Thomas Brown -OC

that would be soooooo Bears

The non stop Bears coach/ownership Bitching on the Score dates back to the Jauron era. It's one of the reasons I stopped listening as much. It was apparent that people were predisposed to bitch and moan regardless of whom the coach happened to be. Even as successful as Lovie was, he still caught quite a bit of it.

No matter whom the Bears hire this time (Even it's Ben Johnson) that shit is going to happen again.

And Regardless of what you or anyone else proclaims about Caleb "fatigue" He is still the most important part of the story. I doubt very seriously if they hire a coach without the chief consideration being their ability to "unlock" Caleb Williams.
Waldron was whacked because they believed that he could not do it. Eberflus was whacked because they believed that he couldn't do it. Thomas Brown was given the interim slot chiefly to see if he could do it.
The main reason that Ryan Poles job is in serious jeopardy isn't because he failed to "build an Oline". Or Failed to whack Flus after last season. The main reason that his job is in jeopardy is because there is a feeling that he flopped on the selection of Caleb Williams. Exclusive Even of Justin Fields. I'm sure that his job is in jeopardy because he chose Caleb Williams over Daniels and likely Maye.

And it wasn't just that he missed in terms of his evaluation. It's that he was so certain that Caleb was the guy (my opinion) that he didn't even bother to work the other 2 out. even as a formality. In essence he committed GM malpractice by deciding not to work either or both of them out.

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I'm trying to spin the narrative that a stat is highly flawed because it rated a sub-200 yard, 1TD game as better than a 500+ yard, 4TD performance. I'm glad you and everyone can pick up on that.

Provide a list of stats between Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels which are "similar" and I'll provide a list that are "dissimilar' and let's see where we end up. Deal?

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Except Daniels is almost a full calendar year older in his rookie season than Caleb Williams is, so we can't compare them. Isn't that the justification you used to not compare rookie Caleb and rookie Justin?

OK so now that we have established that their stats really aren't similar I actually do stand by my other point regarding age and how it pertains to player assessment.

At 22 years old Caleb Williams was playing college Football. At 22 years old Justin Fields was an NFL Rookie. Which is why it is silly to compare the Rookie Seasons of each.

It's also why MANY beloeve that Drake Maye will be the best of the Rookie QBs by the way. If you don't think that people are taking into account his age and level of current development and contrasting it with guys like Caleb and even Daniels then you really don't have a clue about sports.
I know you've never actually played sports thus you cannot quite grasp the concept but age and how it pertains to development matters and always has. It's not a particularly novel concept.

Caleb Williams should be in his 2nd year as an NFL player given his age. The fact that he isn't is really quite telling and factors into what his ceiling is likely to be.

It's clear that the Bears believed that he was further along (given his age) which is why they handed the job to him instead of having him sit for a year or compete for the job.

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I don't think the Cincy job is opening up anymore.

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Shouldn't we wait to compare Caleb in his year 24 season to Jayden Daniels' 24 year old campaign, regardless of any similarities this season? This is your standard, why do you want to abandon it all of a sudden?

I'm all good with that. However you can't have it both ways. You're the guy that claimed that their ROOKIE numbers were similar until you actually had to provide evidence that they were in fact similar.

I'm cool with holding off on Caleb til next season However "we" can compare C.J. Stroud to Caleb Williams seeing as they are the same age. C.J. Stroud is light years ahead of him as a player. Even with his struggles this season.

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I have no problem saying Jayden Daniels was had a better rookie season despite any statistical similarities (and there are a few) with Caleb's rookie season, if you admit Caleb has had a much better rookie season than Justin Fields. Deal?

You're nitpicking a single stat when a wholistic view of every stat available tells us Daniels rookie season is significantly better than Caleb's by any objective measure. Daniels played a lot better than Caleb this year. That can't really be debated. Pretending they were close because of yards and td/int ratio and ignoring everything else is spinning a narrative, yes.

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You can bitch about Caleb all you want -do it in the appropriate thread is the point. This thread is for the coaching search. You aren’t simply mentioning Caleb in passing as it pertains to the coaching search in this thread, you’re repeating the same shit you say in every thread about Caleb. Even if I or anyone else is saying ‘the same ole shit’ about ownership/front office/coaching in this thread.. it’s in the appropriate thread.

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Yeah the problem is delusional Bears fans still think they should hire a coach who can develop this bum quarterback rather than just hiring a guy who will come in here and win. The conversation loops back to Williams because for some people he’s really what this is all about when the reality is its unlikely Caleb is really in the picture come some time in 2026.