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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


I'm not so sure that one isn't meant to be thrown high. Moore certainly was ready to turn around and jump.

It was a great pass. That ends up as a Moore catch or an incompletion. Kept it away from the defender.

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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


He seems to now trust the concept that a qb has to consider a WR like Moore always open, even when it doesn't look like it from the pocket.

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Justin Fields is leading the league in passing touchdowns!

David Haugh was very excited to hear that without realizing he’s played one more game than every other QB.

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Justin Fields is leading the league in passing touchdowns!

David Haugh was very excited to hear that without realizing he’s played one more game than every other QB.


That's classic Haugh. Just intellectually lazy as hell. It's the same thing when he points out the Bears have never lost 14 games or whatever until they did last year. Of course he fails to point out the Bears never played 17 games until they did last year because doing so apparently is too much effort for him.

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I'm rooting for Fields but I'm also not rooting for Fields because I don't want The Hawk to be right.

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good dolphin wrote:
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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


He seems to now trust the concept that a qb has to consider a WR like Moore always open, even when it doesn't look like it from the pocket.


Yep, and I think that is what a lot of voices around here were saying. Fields isn't going to grasp the concept of what is "open" in the NFL vs college throwing 24 WR screens a game.


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I'm rooting for Fields but I'm also not rooting for Fields because I don't want The Hawk to be right.


I trust you'll find a way to differentiate the subject in a way that he is still incorrect

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I'm rooting for Fields but I'm also not rooting for Fields because I don't want The Hawk to be right.


I trust you'll find a way to differentiate the subject in a way that he is still incorrect

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I'm rooting for Fields but I'm also not rooting for Fields because I don't want The Hawk to be right.


I trust you'll find a way to differentiate the subject in a way that he is still incorrect

I'll just mention that Biden won't mine the Grand Canyon.

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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


I'm back on board with Fields. He did everything I was criticizing him to do and more. That is growth. He actually looked like an NFL QB the last two games.


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I'm rooting for Fields but I'm also not rooting for Fields because I don't want The Hawk to be right.


I trust you'll find a way to differentiate the subject in a way that he is still incorrect

:lol:


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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


I'm back on board with Fields. He did everything I was criticizing him to do and more. That is growth. He actually looked like an NFL QB the last two games.


So 25ish bad games and 3-4ish good games. That's roughly a 14 percent success rate and you're good with that? :lol:

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A lot has changed in 5 days. How will he adjust to the league adjusting to him? He should keep throwing it to DJ Moore.

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A lot has changed in 5 days. How will he adjust to the league adjusting to him? He should keep throwing it to DJ Moore.


They will give Moore the Jefferson treatment and force fields to feed Mooney and Kmet. Fields was shut down in both second halves so he hasn't adjusted to the adjustments imo.

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A lot has changed in 5 days. How will he adjust to the league adjusting to him? He should keep throwing it to DJ Moore.


They will give Moore the Jefferson treatment and force fields to feed Mooney and Kmet. Fields was shut down in both second halves so he hasn't adjusted to the adjustments imo.


I think yesterday was more about him injuring Herbert with his accuracy. The Bears didn't have a running back and the left side of the line was awful because Jenkins was sitting.

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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


I'm back on board with Fields. He did everything I was criticizing him to do and more. That is growth. He actually looked like an NFL QB the last two games.


So 25ish bad games and 3-4ish good games. That's roughly a 14 percent success rate and you're good with that? :lol:


You don't see any improvement in his last two games from all the 25ish bad games? Everyone progresses at a different pace. My main criticism of him was that he was not improving on the main elements of becoming a legit QB. He's showing signs of becoming a star QB and I will support him. If he continued to play like he did the previous 25ish games and shown no signs of improvement then I would not support him. It is that simple.


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A lot has changed in 5 days. How will he adjust to the league adjusting to him? He should keep throwing it to DJ Moore.


He's shown he could adjust to the league already by not relying on his running. He is staying in the pocket, getting the ball out quicker and going through his progressions.

Teams now have to decide if they want to take away the passing lanes or his running lanes. They can't just stack the box anymore.


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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


I'm back on board with Fields. He did everything I was criticizing him to do and more. That is growth. He actually looked like an NFL QB the last two games.


So 25ish bad games and 3-4ish good games. That's roughly a 14 percent success rate and you're good with that? :lol:



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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


I'm back on board with Fields. He did everything I was criticizing him to do and more. That is growth. He actually looked like an NFL QB the last two games.


So 25ish bad games and 3-4ish good games. That's roughly a 14 percent success rate and you're good with that? :lol:


You don't see any improvement in his last two games from all the 25ish bad games? Everyone progresses at a different pace. My main criticism of him was that he was not improving on the main elements of becoming a legit QB. He's showing signs of becoming a star QB and I will support him. If he continued to play like he did the previous 25ish games and shown no signs of improvement then I would not support him. It is that simple.


The last two games have been great. Well, four quarters have been great to be precise. But it's still just two games in three years :lol:

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A lot has changed in 5 days. How will he adjust to the league adjusting to him? He should keep throwing it to DJ Moore.


They will give Moore the Jefferson treatment and force fields to feed Mooney and Kmet. Fields was shut down in both second halves so he hasn't adjusted to the adjustments imo.



The Bears got way too conservative in last nights game in the second half. Those guys are coaching for their jobs right now. The problem is 100% of the strategy should be about developing Fields. Those things were mutually exclusive after halftime last night.


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THe last TD pass to Moore was thrown high. If the ball was where it was supposed to be it would have been a pick 6.

But still some reason for cautious optimism. Still a long way to go until I would be prepared to hitch your wagon to him for the long term.


Was it supposed to be thrown high? I don't know, but here is what a lot of us were saying. If Fields doesn't attempt throws like that, and many others downfield, 3rd down, etc. he's never going to learn.

Maybe it wasn't meant to be thrown high, but you know what he learned yesterday, you can throw that ball high, make an interception an near impossibility and give your guy the chance to catch it. He'd have learned the same lesson if he threw it low and it was picked off. But he wouldn't have learned the lesson at all if the Bears dialed up another WR screen in that situation.


I'm back on board with Fields. He did everything I was criticizing him to do and more. That is growth. He actually looked like an NFL QB the last two games.

so there are no extenuating circumstances going on in those two games that might have made him look good? Keeping in mind it was too good first halves of those games in which he looks good.

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There is absolutely no indication that Fields can perform against a real defense.

He is nothing more than a bumslayer until proven otherwise.

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There is absolutely no indication that Fields can perform against a real defense.

He is nothing more than a bumslayer until proven otherwise.


He wasn't a bumslayer 5 days ago. I think we can call this progress.

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There is absolutely no indication that Fields can perform against a real defense.

He is nothing more than a bumslayer until proven otherwise.

It’s hysterical that everyone is fawning over Fields performance throwing the ball from the pocket as long as he looks good and is effective. The complaining about the offensive line , play calling and the receivers stops. When he stops looking good in the pocket the Bears are ruining him and it’s time to change the entire offense to suit his strengths. This is on a week to week basis. :lol:

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There is absolutely no indication that Fields can perform against a real defense.

He is nothing more than a bumslayer until proven otherwise.

It’s hysterical that everyone is fawning over Fields performance throwing the ball from the pocket as long as he looks good and is effective. The complaining about the offensive line , play calling and the receivers stops. When he stops looking good in the pocket the Bears are ruining him and it’s time to change the entire offense to suit his strengths. This is on a week to week basis. :lol:


Justin Fields having good passing games is only a positive. Either he's a late bloomer that will become Warren Moon, or it increases his trade value in the offseason or at the deadline. Either way, we win.

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I hope we get the #1 pick and Poles has the fortitude to trade him to Atlanta for two #1 picks.

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I hope we get the #1 pick and Poles has the fortitude to trade him to Atlanta for two #1 picks.

I read on here yesterday that they can trade the #2 pick for 3 #1’s and half a dozen other picks so that shouldn’t be a problem.


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I hope we get the #1 pick and Poles has the fortitude to trade him to Atlanta for two #1 picks.

I read on here yesterday that they can trade the #2 pick for 3 #1’s and half a dozen other picks so that shouldn’t be a problem.

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Maybe my favorite hypothetical trade of all time.

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I hope we get the #1 pick and Poles has the fortitude to trade him to Atlanta for two #1 picks.


He needs to stack some more good passing games together, preferably in a losing effort. That said, I don't think you are getting more than a first from anyone. Especially a team drafting in the top 10.

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