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Nas....your comments weren't too far off, but you lost me at the end saying he's your QB.

Lots of great comments already stated.
Mitch can play NFL QB. The offensive line this year was God-awful. Mitch's head coach and play caller was equally God-awful.

Mitch has the brightest future out of Nagy and anyone on that offensive line, but it's still a limited future.

Many of us need to direct our Mitch frustration at Ryan Pace. He's the one that over-drafted Mitch...that's not Mitch's fault. The Bears problems in order 1. Pace 2. Nagy 3. Offensive Line 4. Mitch.


They draft a guy who has a lot of raw talent and then they surround him with receivers and TE's who aren't NFL players his rookie year and then give him Dowell Loggains to coach him up. He gets better but not elite talent in Year 2, but he has a coach who gets figure out around Week 11 last year and is too stubborn to adjust. They give this raw talent not even 1 elite player or a competent running game to help with the learning curve. This level of incompetence would destroy most players. It appears that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will ultimately be fine.

I completely agree with this.

I just can't get back to the fact he was drafted #2 overall and the Bears gave up picks to move up to that spot. He's a bust. He can still play for the Bears, but it's grounds for termination on Ryan Pace.

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At no point in his life has (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky been a touchdown machine.

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The reason Nagy calls all those screen passes is that he knows Mitch simply cannot throw downfield without being an interception machine.

Pace has screwed up three QB decisions, going back to Cutler.


At no point in his life has (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky been an interception machine. In fact he's looked like Favre fitting throws into tight windows over the past 5 to 7 games.

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They scored 3 points against KC

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The reason Nagy calls all those screen passes is that he knows Mitch simply cannot throw downfield without being an interception machine.

Pace has screwed up three QB decisions, going back to Cutler.


At no point in his life has (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky been an interception machine. In fact he's looked like Favre fitting throws into tight windows over the past 5 to 7 games.

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They scored 3 points against KC


He played terrible too, but he didn't throw interceptions. IIRC he's only had 1 interception prone game his entire career.

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That’s my point...if he threw downfield and didn’t dunk and dunk so much, the pics would come.

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That’s my point...if he threw downfield and didn’t dunk and dunk so much, the pics would come.


Except even he's never been an interception machine at any level. I do understand the thinking that the Brett Favre throws will eventually get picked off but I actually believe that it will open up the underneath stuff. This may sound shocking but he even appears to be a better player when he's allowed to throw the ball 15+ yards. MANY of his best throws during his improved 2nd half play were downfield darts.

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You cannot say that Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is not turnover averse because if he committed more turnovers he would not be turnover averse. That makes no sense. Give the guy credit where he has earned it. This is the problem with all these Bears fans this year, its just all doom and gloom and once they reach the bottom of the list of legitimate gripes they just start making things up.

You see it when people go after guys like Kyle Fuller or Anthony Miller, who played objectively great football this year.


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Antartica, he overthrows his deep passes by five yards every damn time. These are 7 points he is costing the team every single time. They aren't picks because the defender is already beat. If you are blaming someone or something else for this, then you should watch the game film again. Last week AR is open by 5 yards and it sails over his head. This happens constantly. He has had a couple of seasons to fix it, and the same thing happens again and again. You have to look at him as a nice backup guy -- he can take over for Daniel -- we need a bridge guy until we can draft the next great QB (perhaps without Pace in charge.)

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is not a leader. He can be decent to above average but that's it. He is not a difference maker. As many have already said, he is not bright, he lacks a take charge attitude and he has a very low football IQ. He does have good running skills and does show a knack for late game heroics but also misses way to many open guys on a consistent basis.

Bottom line if you surround him with a lot of talent, he can be productive but he is not elite nor will he ever be elite. And he is not a guy I want in my fox hole if I'm going to war. He is a follower, period. Give me a guy like McMahon who knew how to win as opposed to somebody like Mitch, who just does not seem suited for the role of a high caliber winning NFL QB.

And as the #2 pick in the draft? No way in hell and Pace should get the axe for this pick and his overall record of underachievement.


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Antartica, he overthrows his deep passes by five yards every damn time. These are 7 points he is costing the team every single time. They aren't picks because the defender is already beat. If you are blaming someone or something else for this, then you should watch the game film again. Last week AR is open by 5 yards and it sails over his head. This happens constantly. He has had a couple of seasons to fix it, and the same thing happens again and again. You have to look at him as a nice backup guy -- he can take over for Daniel -- we need a bridge guy until we can draft the next great QB (perhaps without Pace in charge.)


This isn't objectively true in any way. He's hit Miller on multiple deep passes and hit Robinson in the Green Bay game. He threw a rope to Gabriel a couple of times. He's even had some dropped.

A deep throw isn't just a pass where a guy flashes open on a go route.

It appears that Bears fans only remember the misses so they can say "see" and then claim that it happens every game or all the time.

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I amend my comment to say that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky misses deep passes more than most good quarterbacks in the NFL do, and shows no signs of improvement at rectifying that issue.

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I amend my comment to say that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky misses deep passes more than most good quarterbacks in the NFL do, and shows no signs of improvement at rectifying that issue.



He's got no touch. He sucks, decent backup. Not a starter

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I amend my comment to say that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky misses deep passes more than most good quarterbacks in the NFL do, and shows no signs of improvement at rectifying that issue.


What constitutes a deep pass? Was the 4th down play a deep pass?

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I amend my comment to say that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky misses deep passes more than most good quarterbacks in the NFL do, and shows no signs of improvement at rectifying that issue.


What constitutes a deep pass? Was the 4th down play a deep pass?

Most people say a 20+ yard pass counts as deep. I'm off work until the second, so I will gather some stats for you if you think that is important. And yes, I don't blame him for 4th down things or running out of time we have to chuck it deep. I do think his numbers would have been much better with a talented TE because that is really mandated in the scheme they were running.

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So Nas was really Ryan Pace's burner account all this time.

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Nas must be a big Tammy Wynette fan because Stand By Your Man must be cranked as he sits next to Ryan Pace on the Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky bandwagon.


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Remember when Jay was going to be good if he could only get real.ass.receivers. ? Then he got Alshon and Marshall and then all he needed was a real.ass.tight.end. Then all he needed was a real.ass.offensive.line and then all he needed was a real.ass.running.back and then all he needed was a real.ass.play.caller and then all he needed was .......

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Remember when Jay was going to be good if he could only get real.ass.receivers. ? Then he got Alshon and Marshall and then all he needed was a real.ass.tight.end. Then all he needed was a real.ass.offensive.line and then all he needed was a real.ass.running.back and then all he needed was a real.ass.play.caller and then all he needed was .......

This is a fair point but the big difference is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is 25 and people were saying that about Cutler at 29.

There are future HOF QBs right now who were inconsistent or had barely played through 25.

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Remember when Jay was going to be good if he could only get real.ass.receivers. ? Then he got Alshon and Marshall and then all he needed was a real.ass.tight.end. Then all he needed was a real.ass.offensive.line and then all he needed was a real.ass.running.back and then all he needed was a real.ass.play.caller and then all he needed was .......

This is a fair point but the big difference is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is 25 and people were saying that about Cutler at 29.

There are future HOF QBs right now who were inconsistent or had barely played through 25.


So hoping that he becomes good is the entire basis of your support?

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Remember when Jay was going to be good if he could only get real.ass.receivers. ? Then he got Alshon and Marshall and then all he needed was a real.ass.tight.end. Then all he needed was a real.ass.offensive.line and then all he needed was a real.ass.running.back and then all he needed was a real.ass.play.caller and then all he needed was .......

This is a fair point but the big difference is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is 25 and people were saying that about Cutler at 29.

There are future HOF QBs right now who were inconsistent or had barely played through 25.


So hoping that he becomes good is the entire basis of your support?

He has talent. He has potential. No reason to write his career off as a bust at 25 when so many quarterbacks we would love to have now either were barely playing or were inconsistent too especially with no downside to getting one more year of him to see what happens.

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There is an enormous downside to trotting him back out there again next year. It's the same downside we had this year: you waste an entire year waiting for this guy to develop, a year in which you could have otherwise contended if we had a better QB. We just wasted a top 7ish defense this year on the failed project that is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Many of you are not seeing that. The defense was good enough to contend. On five occasions we failed to score more than the following point totals:

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22 (Philly)
17 (LA)
21 (GB)

Those are the scores of the opposing team in five losses this year. If this dipshit QB leads the team to 11 points against GB, or 18 against SD, or 18 against LA, which shouldn't be too hard for a guy with, as you say, "talent and potential," then we've got 11 wins instead of 8. And, save for the Rams, these teams did not have superior defenses. But apparently, that's too much to expect from the no 2 pick in the draft? So, yes, there is enormous downside here and we just experienced it.

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He regressed this year.

However, for next year he likely is the best option especially at his salary. You have to hope he improves. Otherwise you are paying more money to Eli or Cam Newton, both of whom the teams they were on felt they weren't good enough either.

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Let's stop all this nonsense, Mitch cannot read defenses, if you watch closely you will see him still getting his checks in his helmet, he still does not know how to interpret what the D is showing him pre snap. It's almost cute to see him put both hands over is ears so he can hear someone tell him what he should be seeing. Then he looks completely lost if the D changes at the end of the play clock after the communication from coaches is shut down in his helmet. As the Packers defensive players said after the first game, "just make Mitch play QB", spoke volumes about your QB1's lack of ability. Bears fans almost have been conditioned to accept mediocre QB play, but the defense of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is odd, almost as if people are watching different game tapes that the rest of the league. You must bring in a vet and spend a draft pick on a developmental QB this year in order to reach basic offensive competence, combine an average offense with a top 10 D and you are likely a playoff team next year.


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The 2nd round picks should be OL and QB.

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There is an enormous downside to trotting him back out there again next year. It's the same downside we had this year: you waste an entire year waiting for this guy to develop, a year in which you could have otherwise contended if we had a better QB. We just wasted a top 7ish defense this year on the failed project that is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Many of you are not seeing that. The defense was good enough to contend. On five occasions we failed to score more than the following point totals:

10 (GB)
17 (SD)
22 (Philly)
17 (LA)
21 (GB)

Those are the scores of the opposing team in five losses this year. If this dipshit QB leads the team to 11 points against GB, or 18 against SD, or 18 against LA, which shouldn't be too hard for a guy with, as you say, "talent and potential," then we've got 11 wins instead of 8. And, save for the Rams, these teams did not have superior defenses. But apparently, that's too much to expect from the no 2 pick in the draft? So, yes, there is enormous downside here and we just experienced it.
Take it a step further. 16 points from a team with a backup QB playing guys in the secondary who were on the street three weeks prior, beat the Bears and the Mighty Mitch on their homefield in a playoff game.

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I keep coming back to the Mitch we have vs. Mitch drafted as #2 overall in front of Mahomes and Watson.
Pace busted the pick. I agree with you that Mitch would look much different wearing a KC Chiefs uniform.

I can live with Mitch as our QB with better surrounding talent. The problem is Pace fucked up the draft that it's going to be really difficult to get the needed talent.

offensive line and tight end. We don't have the picks to address these huge needs

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It is going to be a lot of fun to watch people lose their shit when the Bears invoke the 5th year option on him this spring.

I neither hate nor love him. I think the Bears need to be looking for their Tannehill this off season. Give Mitch competition and be open to the possibility he gets beat out.

I think I'd hold out on drafting a QB this year and wait for next year with a full slate of picks. Get me OL and DL in droves. It's beautiful watching the 49ers OL and make barely competent QB and RB look like stars.

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People shouldn't lose their shit if they pick up the 5th year.

It doesn't mean he'll be here for the 5th year. They can still cut him and be free and clean money wise. Unless he gets hurt late in the 4th year. An injury where he needs time to recover. Like an ACL. Then they have to pay him the 5th year from what I understand.

So picking it up is no big deal.


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MANY have created a narrative about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and they refuse to reconsider new information or they just completely make things up. A lot of manufactured confirmation bias.

It was absolutely true that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky really struggled understanding anything outside of man coverage. That has dramatically changed but MANY still cling to "Mitch can't read defenses".

"(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky looks lost if Nagy isn't talking in his ear." This is just complete bullshit by those who feel the need to make shit up.

Then there are those who hate (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky so much that they feel all the Bears need to do is bring in Winston or Tannehill and the Bears will have a top 10 offense. It's laughable. They don't have an NFL TE, they NEED 4 new offensive linemen, they don't have a reliable #2WR and their #1 WR and best offensive player is a glorified possession receiver.

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That’s my point...if he threw downfield and didn’t dunk and dunk so much, the pics would come.


Except even he's never been an interception machine at any level. I do understand the thinking that the Brett Favre throws will eventually get picked off but I actually believe that it will open up the underneath stuff. This may sound shocking but he even appears to be a better player when he's allowed to throw the ball 15+ yards. MANY of his best throws during his improved 2nd half play were downfield darts.


That's true. What I really do not understand is how in the hell Ryan Pace and whoever is responsible for assessment talent for this team can put an offensive line together for this team could actually have put this offensive line together. Its a farce. Harry Houdini couldn't escape the pocket with this offensive line surrounding him. :cry: :cry: :cry:

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