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I think Bryce Young is going to suck.


His fundamentals are really good, and he can run. I'm not sure he'll be great, but I would be surprised if he sucked for his career.



Very small, these guys are in for a reality check after leaving Bama.. no more lopsided talent all over the field and all day to throw. I think mac jones gets benched by mid-season for Tua

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Maye is a solid prospect with tons of upside, but really hard to read him and the other guys because they rarely face NFL level defensive players in the ACC, Big 12, or PAC 10.

You also have dudes like Young and Stroud that were surrounded by first round talent in college, Stroud had way better WR's at Ohio State than he has in Houston. Then you have Florida where you have a collection of super athletic kids like Richardson, but piss poor coaching and a grab ass environment so the kids really have not been coached until they hit the NFL.

Do see a trend where guys that put up numbers against vastly inferior talent like Zach Wilson (still don't get that one) and Trey Lance do not exactly set the world on fire.

Will be watching Georgia for DE prospects and for Van Pran who is the #1 center prospect and supposedly is perfect in an outside zone scheme.

Also find it interesting that several college guys that sat out of bowl games for the draft have already been cut. It seems the college kids are not really getting good advice, the transfer portal thing is terrifying for the used car salesman type college coaches because you can't just stockpile talent and you have Coach Prime who is going to compete with Georgia and Alabama to get the best athletes, guys like Deebo Sweeney may be preaching to an empty choir soon.


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Bears are tanking this season knowing they are getting two high draft picks. Calling it now.

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I tried to listen to their radio broadcast in the car today, since I'm local. Totally unlistenable. The ex-player doing color made me yearn for Zach Zaidman. I turned it off after ten plays.

By comparison, Joniak and Thayer are Al Michaels and John Madden.

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Bears are tanking this season knowing they are getting two high draft picks. Calling it now.

If they know Fields is not the guy then I am good with this.

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Bears are tanking this season knowing they are getting two high draft picks. Calling it now.

If they know Fields is not the guy then I am good with this.


They have to know he is or isn't their guy by now, right? They watched him struggle in 11 on 11 during the pre-season, then fail miserably at throwing it out against the Bills.

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Bears are tanking this season knowing they are getting two high draft picks. Calling it now.

If they know Fields is not the guy then I am good with this.


They have to know he is or isn't their guy by now, right? They watched him struggle in 11 on 11 during the pre-season, then fail miserably at throwing it out against the Bills.


I don't think they have made that judgment. I do think they will make a judgment this season though - if they finish with a very high pick again, there's clearly an issue at QB.


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The Bears may own the first 2 picks in the draft

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The Bears may own the first 2 picks in the draft

The Cardinals will do whatever it takes to pick first overall. That's no gaurantee of success (it sure wasn't for Houston), but they are intent on getting Caleb Williams.

Meanwhile, whether Poles and Eberflus know it or not, their jobs are both in jeopardy starting from the moment that game ended yesterday. Another couple games like that and desperation will sink in. Don't be shocked to see one of these first rounders dealt for midseason help.


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The Bears may own the first 2 picks in the draft

yeah chicago and carolina are the only bad teams in the league

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The Bears may own the first 2 picks in the draft

The Cardinals will do whatever it takes to pick first overall. That's no gaurantee of success (it sure wasn't for Houston), but they are intent on getting Caleb Williams.

Meanwhile, whether Poles and Eberflus know it or not, their jobs are both in jeopardy starting from the moment that game ended yesterday. Another couple games like that and desperation will sink in. Don't be shocked to see one of these first rounders dealt for midseason help.


No chance. Despite the usual stupidity from fans and the media, Poles has at least 5 years.

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Is he gay?

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We went 3-0 in draft computing this week. We lose. Panthers lose. Packers don't get an extra first (and Jets look like they will still be competitive)

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We went 3-0 in draft computing this week. We lose. Panthers lose. Packers don't get an extra first (and Jets look like they will still be competitive)

What does it matter, the Bears haven't proved to a great juggernaut at this drafting thing.

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We went 3-0 in draft computing this week. We lose. Panthers lose. Packers don't get an extra first (and Jets look like they will still be competitive)

What does it matter, the Bears haven't proved to a great juggernaut at this drafting thing.


Yeah we have...our draft day decisions made SF a NFC powerhouse.

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We went 3-0 in draft computing this week. We lose. Panthers lose. Packers don't get an extra first (and Jets look like they will still be competitive)

What does it matter, the Bears haven't proved to a great juggernaut at this drafting thing.


Yeah we have...our draft day decisions made SF a NFC powerhouse.


They blew their pick

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While I didn't watch the whole game, in the parts I saw, to my untrained eye Young looked better than Fields did Sunday :roll:

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Bryce Young’s prime-time debut in Charlotte didn’t go much better than his NFL premiere in Atlanta the week before. The Panthers’ rookie quarterback struggled to find a rhythm throughout Monday’s 20-17 loss to the New Orleans Saints at Bank of America Stadium. While he had the occasional positive play — including a breathtaking 26-yard scramble in the fourth quarter — Young and the offense left a lot to be desired as they failed to consistently put up points for a second consecutive game.

Partnered with an inconsistent offensive line and wideouts who failed to get regular separation, Young struggled to move the ball through the air, much like in the Week 1 loss to the Falcons. Now 0-2 in both the NFL and NFC South division standings, the Panthers will need to climb out a major hole to start the season. And to do that, Young and the offense need to find the missing link in the passing game.

Young isn’t completely at fault for the offensive frustrations, but he isn’t doing much to alleviate them, either. While Indianapolis Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson — the fourth overall pick — flashes dynamic athleticism, and Houston Texans quarterback CJ Stroud — the second overall pick — completes 63.7% of his passes and avoids interceptions, Young has done little — it’s very early to be fair — to show he is the most capable of the trio. Here is Young’s report card from Monday’s loss:

YOUNG’S STATS VS. NEW ORLEANS Young completed 22 of 33 passes (66.7%) for 153 yards and a touchdown. He also ran for 34 yards on two carries and had a lost fumble in the second quarter. He led four scoring drives on the night. The rookie quarterback finished the game with a 87.1 passer rating.

YOUNG’S SPREADING THE BALL GRADE Young targeted and completed passes to six different receivers on the night. That’s a pretty low number for a team that likes to spread the ball around. Wideout Adam Thielen was Young’s top target on the night with seven throws being sent his way. Thielen caught seven passes for 54 yards and a touchdown. Thielen also caught a two-point conversion pass from Young. Young next most targeted playmaker was running back Chuba Hubbard, who caught all five of his targets for 34 yards. Grade: C-

YOUNG’S ACCURACY/DECISION-MAKING GRADE The rookie completed 66.7% of his passes on the night. While that number looks swell, the digits need context. Young was routinely pressured and receivers struggled to get open, which was also the case in Week 1. The biggest reason is because the wideouts aren’t getting separation from coverage. When a wideout was able to occasionally get open against the Saints, Young was up-and-down in the accuracy department. He overthrew Thielen and rookie Jonathan Mingo on consecutive passing plays during the first series of the second half. He also had an excellent third down pass dropped by Mingo on the same drive.

He later had a wide-open slant play end with the ball skipping like a stone on the turf roughly 9 yards in front of him.

In the fourth quarter, Young finally started to use his running backs and tight end Hayden Hurst to his advantage. He made a handful of short throws to Hurst, Miles Sanders and Hubbard. That trio helped Young anchor a third field-goal drive. He later led a touchdown-scoring drive with mostly quick-hitters, outside of a 22-yard catch by Mingo. Grade: C

YOUNG’S MOBILITY GRADE While Young only ran twice, he did a really nice job of evading pressure in the pocket.

As receivers were struggling to get open regularly, and when protection predictably broke down after several seconds of blocking, Young was able to make the first man miss to keep plays alive and avoid sacks. He was hit seven times and sacked four times, but those tallies easily could have been much worse if it wasn’t for Young’s pocket presence. He can move around and keep his balance, while also keeping his eyes downfield. He did fumble on a strip-sack late in the second quarter, but that was a tough turnover to elude after protection broke down almost immediately.

Young’s best offering of mobility came in the fourth quarter, when the rookie took off on a 26-yard up-the-middle scramble on third-and-11. He was able to sell a slight juke and shake safety Marcus Maye. Young blazed past the defensive back for roughly 15 more yards. The fans at Bank of America Stadium erupted as Young did his best to slide to the ground. It was more of a plop down then a slide, which Young has admitted he has never learned to do. The explosive run by the rookie led to a third field goal. Grade: B-

YOUNG’S TURNOVER GRADE Young caught a lucky break on the second series of the game. On third-and-6, Young threw a contested pass to Thielen, who was covered by cornerback Alontae Taylor. The cornerback was able to snag the ball after a light collision, but Thielen reached back to force Taylor to bobble the ball before falling out of bounds. The would-be interception was nullified because Taylor lacked control as he went out of play, which helped Young avoid a third interception on the season.

However, in the second quarter, Young gave up his third turnover in the first six quarters of his career. With excellent field position following an interception by the defense, Young and the offense were placed within field-goal range. But, on third-and-6 from the New Orleans 18-yard line, left tackle Ikem Ekwonu allowed Saints pass rusher Carl Granderson to get behind his protection and force a strip-sack on Young. The forced fumble was recovered by New Orleans at its own 41-yard line. Luckily for the Panthers, the turnover didn’t lead to points. Ekwonu deserves equal or more blame for the turnover, but it’ll go on Young’s stat line. Young had avoided sacks most of the night, but that one was hard to elude.

Young nearly coughed up another turnover during the first series of the second half, but he was bailed out by a late penalty flag. Young was stripped on a sack by Saints defender Bryan Bresee — formerly of Clemson — but New Orleans was flagged for defensive holding to negate the play. The Panthers kept the ball and punted a few plays later. Grade: C

YOUNG’S OVERALL GRADE This offense isn’t dynamic, and that’s not completely Young’s fault. The wideouts have failed to separate with regularity and the offensive line can only block so long. Young wasn’t the reason the Panthers lost on Monday, but he doesn’t look like a solution through two games, either. Young is a rookie. He will look like a rookie a lot this season, especially when he has a limited supporting cast. But every now and then he makes a play that offers a glimmer of his Heisman Trophy-winning season at Alabama.

This game was another letdown for the offense, and another middling performance from Young. It’s been an uninspiring two weeks, but Young has shown solid decision-making skills and the ability to evade pressure in the pocket. Those are two important qualities for a rookie. OVERALL GRADE: C

This story was originally published September 18, 2023, 11:02 PM.

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Bears are tanking this season knowing they are getting two high draft picks. Calling it now.

If they know Fields is not the guy then I am good with this.


Last year was an intentional tank. This year is an unintentional tank. Only time will tell which approach yields more losses.

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While I didn't watch the whole game, in the parts I saw, to my untrained eye Young looked better than Fields did Sunday :roll:

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Bryce Young’s prime-time debut in Charlotte didn’t go much better than his NFL premiere in Atlanta the week before. The Panthers’ rookie quarterback struggled to find a rhythm throughout Monday’s 20-17 loss to the New Orleans Saints at Bank of America Stadium. While he had the occasional positive play — including a breathtaking 26-yard scramble in the fourth quarter — Young and the offense left a lot to be desired as they failed to consistently put up points for a second consecutive game.

Partnered with an inconsistent offensive line and wideouts who failed to get regular separation, Young struggled to move the ball through the air, much like in the Week 1 loss to the Falcons. Now 0-2 in both the NFL and NFC South division standings, the Panthers will need to climb out a major hole to start the season. And to do that, Young and the offense need to find the missing link in the passing game.

Young isn’t completely at fault for the offensive frustrations, but he isn’t doing much to alleviate them, either. While Indianapolis Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson — the fourth overall pick — flashes dynamic athleticism, and Houston Texans quarterback CJ Stroud — the second overall pick — completes 63.7% of his passes and avoids interceptions, Young has done little — it’s very early to be fair — to show he is the most capable of the trio. Here is Young’s report card from Monday’s loss:

YOUNG’S STATS VS. NEW ORLEANS Young completed 22 of 33 passes (66.7%) for 153 yards and a touchdown. He also ran for 34 yards on two carries and had a lost fumble in the second quarter. He led four scoring drives on the night. The rookie quarterback finished the game with a 87.1 passer rating.

YOUNG’S SPREADING THE BALL GRADE Young targeted and completed passes to six different receivers on the night. That’s a pretty low number for a team that likes to spread the ball around. Wideout Adam Thielen was Young’s top target on the night with seven throws being sent his way. Thielen caught seven passes for 54 yards and a touchdown. Thielen also caught a two-point conversion pass from Young. Young next most targeted playmaker was running back Chuba Hubbard, who caught all five of his targets for 34 yards. Grade: C-

YOUNG’S ACCURACY/DECISION-MAKING GRADE The rookie completed 66.7% of his passes on the night. While that number looks swell, the digits need context. Young was routinely pressured and receivers struggled to get open, which was also the case in Week 1. The biggest reason is because the wideouts aren’t getting separation from coverage. When a wideout was able to occasionally get open against the Saints, Young was up-and-down in the accuracy department. He overthrew Thielen and rookie Jonathan Mingo on consecutive passing plays during the first series of the second half. He also had an excellent third down pass dropped by Mingo on the same drive.

He later had a wide-open slant play end with the ball skipping like a stone on the turf roughly 9 yards in front of him.

In the fourth quarter, Young finally started to use his running backs and tight end Hayden Hurst to his advantage. He made a handful of short throws to Hurst, Miles Sanders and Hubbard. That trio helped Young anchor a third field-goal drive. He later led a touchdown-scoring drive with mostly quick-hitters, outside of a 22-yard catch by Mingo. Grade: C

YOUNG’S MOBILITY GRADE While Young only ran twice, he did a really nice job of evading pressure in the pocket.

As receivers were struggling to get open regularly, and when protection predictably broke down after several seconds of blocking, Young was able to make the first man miss to keep plays alive and avoid sacks. He was hit seven times and sacked four times, but those tallies easily could have been much worse if it wasn’t for Young’s pocket presence. He can move around and keep his balance, while also keeping his eyes downfield. He did fumble on a strip-sack late in the second quarter, but that was a tough turnover to elude after protection broke down almost immediately.

Young’s best offering of mobility came in the fourth quarter, when the rookie took off on a 26-yard up-the-middle scramble on third-and-11. He was able to sell a slight juke and shake safety Marcus Maye. Young blazed past the defensive back for roughly 15 more yards. The fans at Bank of America Stadium erupted as Young did his best to slide to the ground. It was more of a plop down then a slide, which Young has admitted he has never learned to do. The explosive run by the rookie led to a third field goal. Grade: B-

YOUNG’S TURNOVER GRADE Young caught a lucky break on the second series of the game. On third-and-6, Young threw a contested pass to Thielen, who was covered by cornerback Alontae Taylor. The cornerback was able to snag the ball after a light collision, but Thielen reached back to force Taylor to bobble the ball before falling out of bounds. The would-be interception was nullified because Taylor lacked control as he went out of play, which helped Young avoid a third interception on the season.

However, in the second quarter, Young gave up his third turnover in the first six quarters of his career. With excellent field position following an interception by the defense, Young and the offense were placed within field-goal range. But, on third-and-6 from the New Orleans 18-yard line, left tackle Ikem Ekwonu allowed Saints pass rusher Carl Granderson to get behind his protection and force a strip-sack on Young. The forced fumble was recovered by New Orleans at its own 41-yard line. Luckily for the Panthers, the turnover didn’t lead to points. Ekwonu deserves equal or more blame for the turnover, but it’ll go on Young’s stat line. Young had avoided sacks most of the night, but that one was hard to elude.

Young nearly coughed up another turnover during the first series of the second half, but he was bailed out by a late penalty flag. Young was stripped on a sack by Saints defender Bryan Bresee — formerly of Clemson — but New Orleans was flagged for defensive holding to negate the play. The Panthers kept the ball and punted a few plays later. Grade: C

YOUNG’S OVERALL GRADE This offense isn’t dynamic, and that’s not completely Young’s fault. The wideouts have failed to separate with regularity and the offensive line can only block so long. Young wasn’t the reason the Panthers lost on Monday, but he doesn’t look like a solution through two games, either. Young is a rookie. He will look like a rookie a lot this season, especially when he has a limited supporting cast. But every now and then he makes a play that offers a glimmer of his Heisman Trophy-winning season at Alabama.

This game was another letdown for the offense, and another middling performance from Young. It’s been an uninspiring two weeks, but Young has shown solid decision-making skills and the ability to evade pressure in the pocket. Those are two important qualities for a rookie. OVERALL GRADE: C

This story was originally published September 18, 2023, 11:02 PM.


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Caleb Williams is the guy you want, if you could get him and the Penn State LT you would have two franchise level guys for the next 5 plus years at key positions. Does Poles have the ability to pull this off?

You still have to replace almost your entire starting offensive and defensive lines, the fact that you have maybe one guy on both lines that could develop into something two years into Poles tenure as GM is sobering and points to a rare level of ineptitude given the draft capital and cap room he had last season, but even the DB's he blew second and third round picks on are not exactly setting the world on fire.

Poles has proved himself to be competent at shedding cap room by trading aging vets, but you likely would have done better allowing members of this board to sign FA's and draft players than Poles did last season.


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Is it certain Williams won't return to school? His father could have been describing the Bears.

"The way the system is constructed, you go to the worst possible situation. The worst possible team, the worst organization in the league -- because of their desire for parity -- gets the first pick. So it's the gift and the curse. I mean, I've talked to Archie Manning -- his career was shot because he went to a horrible organization. I've talked to Lincoln [Riley], and Kyler [Murray] struggled because of where he was drafted. Baker [Mayfield] struggled mightily because of where he was drafted.

"The organizations matter. He's got two shots at the apple. So if there's not a good situation, the truth is, he can come back to school."


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Is it certain Williams won't return to school? His father could have been describing the Bears.

"The way the system is constructed, you go to the worst possible situation. The worst possible team, the worst organization in the league -- because of their desire for parity -- gets the first pick. So it's the gift and the curse. I mean, I've talked to Archie Manning -- his career was shot because he went to a horrible organization. I've talked to Lincoln [Riley], and Kyler [Murray] struggled because of where he was drafted. Baker [Mayfield] struggled mightily because of where he was drafted.

"The organizations matter. He's got two shots at the apple. So if there's not a good situation, the truth is, he can come back to school."


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/new ... urn-to-usc


Sounds like an Elway headache.

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He was absolutely talking about the Bears


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Bears are tanking this season knowing they are getting two high draft picks. Calling it now.

If they know Fields is not the guy then I am good with this.


They have to know he is or isn't their guy by now, right? They watched him struggle in 11 on 11 during the pre-season, then fail miserably at throwing it out against the Bills.


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Not a chance he's 204 pounds. None


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