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Can you please compare Burrow's playoff record with T.rubisky's playoff record? I know the answer, I'm only asking because hopefully it will help you realize that T.rubisky and Burrow should never belong in the same sentence (unless it's this sentence).

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I would offer Cincinnati the #1 pick today for Burrow.

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There are maybe 3 or 4 teams that wouldn’t trade their QBs for Burrow even after accounting for the contract & injury history.

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3x's the top 3 picks in the NFL draft have been QB, QB, QB:

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Akili Smith? Is that right? who the hell is Akili Smith? Kabisa Akili Maradufu Smith, huh

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Ken Anderson went 3rd rd, Theisman 4th

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Over the past 10 drafts a franchise QB (assuming you're sold on Trevor Lawrence as such) has been drafted in seven out of the ten drafts.

I'm fine with taking a QB in 2024 if that's the play, but acting like if the Bears don't take a QB in 2024 at the expense of having 40 first and second round picks over the next three years absolutely excludes them from drafting a franchise QB in one of those future drafts just doesn't comport with history.

Who’s suggesting the Bears are only allowed to draft a QB 1/1 this year?

The point is the guy they’d be passing on. Cincy could’ve received a haul for Burrow and they’d have been dumb to do so. Same might be true for Jax, though last year wasn’t great.


Not saying that Bears can't take a QB at lower than 1/1, just seems to be how the discussion has been going here.

Would be fine if the Bears acquired a shit ton of picks and also drafted a QB mid teens in 2024.


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Recent history says it's an awful idea unless you're already a good team.

You can add, Young, Lance, and Fields to this list.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/stor ... uarterback


Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas (maybe others) need a QB outside of the top 3 picks in the draft. You don't think Fields played well, the free agents market is pretty limited and you think it's awful to trade up (probably not wrong).

What do you do if you're one of these teams?


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BD wrote:
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Recent history says it's an awful idea unless you're already a good team.

You can add, Young, Lance, and Fields to this list.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/stor ... uarterback


Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas (maybe others) need a QB outside of the top 3 picks in the draft. You don't think Fields played well, the free agents market is pretty limited and you think it's awful to trade up (probably not wrong).

What do you do if you're one of these teams?


I was surprised to see the trades don't usually work. I guess all I see is Mahomes when I think about trading up.

Depending on where I am, I would probably try to get into the top 2 of this draft. If I can't, I would pick a developmental guy and roll with a veteran quarterback.

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I would trade down and get as many high end picks as possible. I would also trade Fields for whatever I could get. Then I would sign Cousins and draft a QB later who cold develop for a few years. Cousins is good most of the time but can have an awful game here and there. Just hope the awful game isnt a playoff game. Caleb is already a pain in the ass and he isn't even in the league yet. It will only get worse.

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I would trade down and get as many high end picks as possible. I would also trade Fields for whatever I could get. Then I would sign Cousins and draft a QB later who cold develop for a few years. Cousins is good most of the time but can have an awful game here and there. Just hope the awful game isnt a playoff game. Caleb is already a pain in the ass and he isn't even in the league yet. It will only get worse.


In what way?

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Joe Burrow's record so far: 29-22-1
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's record while with the Bears: 29-21-0

Jake Browning/a QB other than Joe Burrow will start more games for the Cincinnati Bengals over the next 3 seasons than Joe Burrow will.


Joe Burrow is the Derrick Rose/Ja Morant of the NFL: great player whose body won't hold up over the short-medium-long term


there's a take... sheesh. glad you are able to gloss over beating mahomes and the SB appearance. also able to ignore he was on pace to break all rookie passing records... it's too bad burrow wasn't able to withstand his horrid O-line year one and got his leg twisted in the pocket.

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I would trade down and get as many high end picks as possible. I would also trade Fields for whatever I could get. Then I would sign Cousins and draft a QB later who cold develop for a few years. Cousins is good most of the time but can have an awful game here and there. Just hope the awful game isnt a playoff game. Caleb is already a pain in the ass and he isn't even in the league yet. It will only get worse.

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I was surprised to see the trades don't usually work. I guess all I see is Mahomes when I think about trading up.
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Nas wrote:
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Recent history says it's an awful idea unless you're already a good team.

You can add, Young, Lance, and Fields to this list.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/stor ... uarterback


Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas (maybe others) need a QB outside of the top 3 picks in the draft. You don't think Fields played well, the free agents market is pretty limited and you think it's awful to trade up (probably not wrong).

What do you do if you're one of these teams?


I was surprised to see the trades don't usually work. I guess all I see is Mahomes when I think about trading up.

Depending on where I am, I would probably try to get into the top 2 of this draft. If I can't, I would pick a developmental guy and roll with a veteran quarterback.


I am not surprised with that analysis because the hit rate for 1st round QB's is bad, even if you like a particular player.

There has been some speculation around NE moving out IF they are going full rebuild and want to beef up some of the roster before adding a QB OR they don't want the 3rd best QB on their board.

The question I come back to - if you're Atlanta, what veteran QB are you rolling with? Cousins is the viable option and he's probably more likely to remain in Minnesota. At least 2 or 3 of these teams from Denver, Minnesota, Atlanta and Las Vegas are going to have to do some combination of drafting (probably over drafting) a QB in Round 1 and complementing them with a washed up veteran. That's not really a solution. That's why Justin Fields will have a good market.


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BD wrote:
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BD wrote:
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Recent history says it's an awful idea unless you're already a good team.

You can add, Young, Lance, and Fields to this list.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/stor ... uarterback


Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas (maybe others) need a QB outside of the top 3 picks in the draft. You don't think Fields played well, the free agents market is pretty limited and you think it's awful to trade up (probably not wrong).

What do you do if you're one of these teams?


I was surprised to see the trades don't usually work. I guess all I see is Mahomes when I think about trading up.

Depending on where I am, I would probably try to get into the top 2 of this draft. If I can't, I would pick a developmental guy and roll with a veteran quarterback.


I am not surprised with that analysis because the hit rate for 1st round QB's is bad, even if you like a particular player.

There has been some speculation around NE moving out IF they are going full rebuild and want to beef up some of the roster before adding a QB OR they don't want the 3rd best QB on their board.

The question I come back to - if you're Atlanta, what veteran QB are you rolling with? Cousins is the viable option and he's probably more likely to remain in Minnesota. At least 2 or 3 of these teams from Denver, Minnesota, Atlanta and Las Vegas are going to have to do some combination of drafting (probably over drafting) a QB in Round 1 and complementing them with a washed up veteran. That's not really a solution. That's why Justin Fields will have a good market.


I really hope so. You would be insane to prefer Pickett or Riddler.

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Hussra wrote:
Joe Burrow's record so far: 29-22-1
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's record while with the Bears: 29-21-0

Jake Browning/a QB other than Joe Burrow will start more games for the Cincinnati Bengals over the next 3 seasons than Joe Burrow will.


Joe Burrow is the Derrick Rose/Ja Morant of the NFL: great player whose body won't hold up over the short-medium-long term


there's a take... sheesh. glad you are able to gloss over beating mahomes and the SB appearance. also able to ignore he was on pace to break all rookie passing records... it's too bad burrow wasn't able to withstand his horrid O-line year one and got his leg twisted in the pocket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SlKD2tfKTo


What's it matter the reason for Joe Burrow being perennially injured? If Burrow's not going to be able to stay on the field for an entire season ever again, Bengals would be smart to trade him for Justin Fields.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Recent history says it's an awful idea unless you're already a good team.

You can add, Young, Lance, and Fields to this list.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/stor ... uarterback


Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas (maybe others) need a QB outside of the top 3 picks in the draft. You don't think Fields played well, the free agents market is pretty limited and you think it's awful to trade up (probably not wrong).

What do you do if you're one of these teams?


I was surprised to see the trades don't usually work. I guess all I see is Mahomes when I think about trading up.

Depending on where I am, I would probably try to get into the top 2 of this draft. If I can't, I would pick a developmental guy and roll with a veteran quarterback.


I am not surprised with that analysis because the hit rate for 1st round QB's is bad, even if you like a particular player.

There has been some speculation around NE moving out IF they are going full rebuild and want to beef up some of the roster before adding a QB OR they don't want the 3rd best QB on their board.

The question I come back to - if you're Atlanta, what veteran QB are you rolling with? Cousins is the viable option and he's probably more likely to remain in Minnesota. At least 2 or 3 of these teams from Denver, Minnesota, Atlanta and Las Vegas are going to have to do some combination of drafting (probably over drafting) a QB in Round 1 and complementing them with a washed up veteran. That's not really a solution. That's why Justin Fields will have a good market.


I really hope so. You would be insane to prefer Pickett or Riddler.


That's all I am saying. Fields is better than these teams existing options, picking the 4-6th QB in Round 1 is a crap shoot and the free agents on the market are all stop-gaps, meaning these teams are likely to continue floundering without a QB who improves the team. It's still debatable whether Fields is that guy - I don't disagree with that either. I just think he's more likely to succeed than the rest of the options these teams have.


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BD wrote:
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BD wrote:
Nas wrote:
BD wrote:
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Recent history says it's an awful idea unless you're already a good team.

You can add, Young, Lance, and Fields to this list.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/stor ... uarterback


Denver, Atlanta, Las Vegas (maybe others) need a QB outside of the top 3 picks in the draft. You don't think Fields played well, the free agents market is pretty limited and you think it's awful to trade up (probably not wrong).

What do you do if you're one of these teams?


I was surprised to see the trades don't usually work. I guess all I see is Mahomes when I think about trading up.

Depending on where I am, I would probably try to get into the top 2 of this draft. If I can't, I would pick a developmental guy and roll with a veteran quarterback.


I am not surprised with that analysis because the hit rate for 1st round QB's is bad, even if you like a particular player.

There has been some speculation around NE moving out IF they are going full rebuild and want to beef up some of the roster before adding a QB OR they don't want the 3rd best QB on their board.

The question I come back to - if you're Atlanta, what veteran QB are you rolling with? Cousins is the viable option and he's probably more likely to remain in Minnesota. At least 2 or 3 of these teams from Denver, Minnesota, Atlanta and Las Vegas are going to have to do some combination of drafting (probably over drafting) a QB in Round 1 and complementing them with a washed up veteran. That's not really a solution. That's why Justin Fields will have a good market.


I really hope so. You would be insane to prefer Pickett or Riddler.


That's all I am saying. Fields is better than these teams existing options, picking the 4-6th QB in Round 1 is a crap shoot and the free agents on the market are all stop-gaps, meaning these teams are likely to continue floundering without a QB who improves the team. It's still debatable whether Fields is that guy - I don't disagree with that either. I just think he's more likely to succeed than the rest of the options these teams have.


Yeah, I think Fields would be a good option for a few teams. I would put the Patriots and Buccaneers on that list too.

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Gonna disagree with you both but let's see what happens. If I'm a GM I'm going with a rookie if I had the option. We know what Fields ceiling is and he's a backup. But I do understand someone will probably trade for him and live to regret it.

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Gonna disagree with you both but let's see what happens. If I'm a GM I'm going with a rookie if I had the option. We know what Fields ceiling is and he's a backup. But I do understand someone will probably trade for him and live to regret it.


I don't think I would prefer Nix over Fields. At worst, it's $14M for 2 years. That's the going rate for a backup. You can use your first round pick on a guy who has more upside.

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I think there’s a ton of upside for Fields. For any GMs looking to swap a top ten pick to make it happen, I’d say go for it.

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I think there’s a ton of upside for Fields. For any GMs looking to swap a top ten pick to make it happen, I’d say go for it.


:lol: :lol: I love your thinking.

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I think there’s a ton of upside for Fields. For any GMs looking to swap a top ten pick to make it happen, I’d say go for it.


:lol: :lol: I love your thinking.

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I would trade down and get as many high end picks as possible. I would also trade Fields for whatever I could get. Then I would sign Cousins and draft a QB later who cold develop for a few years. Cousins is good most of the time but can have an awful game here and there. Just hope the awful game isnt a playoff game. Caleb is already a pain in the ass and he isn't even in the league yet. It will only get worse.


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I think its too early to declare Fields a backup, I'd tradecdown and keep Fields one more year..I'd also draft Penix.

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Would you like him to get worse before you declare the experiment to be over? Just so you know I'm pretty sure you can't get worse than 42nd overall in a league with 32 starting QBs.

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I think its too early to declare Fields a backup, I'd tradecdown and keep Fields one more year..I'd also draft Penix.


I was all in on Penix but it was concerning seeing his body transform into a 45 year old Steve DeBerg in the championship game.

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I would trade down and get as many high end picks as possible. I would also trade Fields for whatever I could get. Then I would sign Cousins and draft a QB later who cold develop for a few years. Cousins is good most of the time but can have an awful game here and there. Just hope the awful game isnt a playoff game. Caleb is already a pain in the ass and he isn't even in the league yet. It will only get worse.


In what way?


Having an overbearing parent as an agent, allowing all the talk about him not wanting to be drafted by certain teams, his inability to react like a normal athlete after losing his 4th game of the season during the middle of the season and his teammates comments about his backup after he set the bowl game on fire.

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I think its too early to declare Fields a backup, I'd tradecdown and keep Fields one more year..I'd also draft Penix.

:lol: Your thoughts on Quarterbacks are always terrible


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I think its too early to declare Fields a backup, I'd tradecdown and keep Fields one more year..I'd also draft Penix.

:lol: Your thoughts on Quarterbacks are always terrible

My thoughts on Fields were spot on and they came before he ever stepped on the field in a Bears jersey. Enjoy your Emo Diva.

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I think its too early to declare Fields a backup, I'd tradecdown and keep Fields one more year..I'd also draft Penix.

:lol: Your thoughts on Quarterbacks are always terrible

My thoughts on Fields were spot on and they came before he ever stepped on the field in a Bears jersey. Enjoy your Emo Diva.


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