Too late for that!

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QBR, Purdue Rick. When it's as low as it is, you have to wonder about "Don't tell me what you did, tell me when you did it".

Garbage time stats is a legit concern and it's moot that you mock the concern.

Some of those garbage time stats are in a game that went to OT and another they win without a Hail Mary.

That's why it's a simple question no one will answer. What touchdowns counted?

Williams has had a lot of horrible games. Last night was one. We just also have to count the games he was good to great in.

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Yep. And if anyone is actually being truthful about it, it's essentially a carryover from his college days where he bumslayed and stat padded there too.

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.in the Hail Mary game he didn't throw for a TD and was only in the game because of a stout defense and a long run by Swift. His Stats were hardly "stellar". During the Minnesota game he was down 24-10 before the "soft coverage defense" kicked in during the 4th. Against Detroit he entered the 4th down 23-7 before he "revved up the engine'

The problem with answering your questions is that they always seem to lead to more and more questions. No one has time for that. I could easily pinpoint where the "Garbage Time King" Happens to have padded his stats. It's not tough

His "horrible" games tend to occur whenever the game is still a competition. His "good to great" games always tend to occur when they are not. Hence the nickname "Garbage Time King

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I'm not going back and forth. Just tell me how many tds count.

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I'm not working at home so I can't do the research. I'd guess 4 or 5 TDs that mean zilch in the scheme of things. Probably a couple others that mean very little. Is it fair to point this out on a 4-13 disaster that we call a NFL team? No, but IT IS WHAT IT IS.

He still has a shot. The comp is Baker Mayfield. Patrick Mahomes? Not a chance. Patrick Mahomes never had the thought, "Poor me". Patrick Mahomes is a killer.

At the very least none that occurred when they were down 3 scores or more. Which would knock off 5 immediately.

I have more if you keep this up but for now 14 is a solid working number for the "Garbage Time King"

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Could be an asshole about it and say none in the last 10 games, but I won't do that.

By the way, how many worthless TDs does he have in the last 10 games?

He had 9 before the losing streak started. Of the 10 thrown since the start of the streak, at least 8 were thrown down 2 scores or more

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He quit in the huddle in front of his teammates during the attempt to tie the game.

Go ahead, gloss that shit over.

You can tell that they have kow towed to him since the very beginning. They fired Waldron right after he blew him off on the bench when he was talking to him. He also showed up Brown last night when he called the timeout

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14 is good for me. Now let's see if USA agrees. He's the one that has discounted every td.

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It doesn’t matter. He could have thirty and it wouldn’t matter. The guy can’t play. That’s my point, looking at these numbers is just a stupid exercise when all you need to know is happening in front of your eyes.

Hmm, Before giving someone a piece of your mind. Make sure you have enough to spare!

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Rick struggles a lot when it comes to mocking legit points. He liked to mock the youngest team in the NFL stuff with the packers, and then what do you know, the youngest team in the NFL improved across the board. funny how that worked exactly like predicted.

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"Caleb Williams doesn't pick it up until his team is already down by a bunch and the defense lets up a little" was a fair point, but because LTG made it, everyone went into overdrive reducing it to absurdity with these tedious "when is garbage time" arguments. So it goes.

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Dak, Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young, and Daniel Jones are all ahead of Caleb in QBR for the year. L-O-L!

wow, lots of expert analysis in here. the league has changed. imperative that you possess a QB who can throw and doesn't get rattled. QBs dropping back 45-50 times a game. can't get by on a good defense and excellent special teams play anymore.

from the old days - how to judge qb play?

will the qb send a man in motion when he's confused by a defense that disguises man and zone? if the man in motion is picked up, the D is playing man, if not, zone.

if zone-coverage - audible to receivers/routes that will get horizontal separation; usually the TE and a back.. if man-coverage, audible to routes that organically (pure speed) get vertical separation; WRs.

i don't see any of this. don't see the staff putting him and the offense in positions to succeed.

Everyone is yelling "coaching" "coaching" but to be honest no one knows for sure unless you are in the practices and film room how he's actually being "coached" They could be coaching him the exact way he's supposed to be coached and he may not be all that receptive to it.
For instance "we" saw where Brown was coaching him to get rid of the Ball in 2-3 seconds flat. It lasted for about 2 games then he was back to holding the ball and scrambling for 10 yards sacks by the 3rd game.
I do think that some of the playcalling could be better. Too many "Bubble" screens and end around handoffs with the wide receiver. But that may be mostly due to his inaccuracy as a passer and inability to read defenses. There is more to the Bears not taking shots down the field than bad line play. Even when he has protection "the vertical passing game" is virtually non existent. There has to be a reason other than the offensive line.

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It's dumb to brag about when it's really not that far from the league median. Congrats on being the 6th seed in the NFC though.

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No. The fair point is how horrible Williams has been in some games regardless of score. We can't cancel out all his good games because it didn't happen in the first half or the team they played isn't making the playoffs or the game that went to OT was actually already over. Yet, we never take away his bad play because of things like terrible coaching, a defense that can't stop anything in the first half.

Dr Style just searches for a Rube Goldberg machine of what matters and what doesn't and when you take away enough it turns out Williams is terrible and never did anything good all year. He spent 4 games talking about Williams lack of passing touchdowns. Williams threw a bunch and he just moved on to 3 other things.

Williams has been good at times and horrible at times. Overall, a slight disappointment in year 1. He will be better next year especially if they hire better coaches.

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It was just clearly a correct thing to point out when saying they are likely to improve off last year, which happened. Just accept that you lost this one, it happens.

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As I was saying, reducing to absurdity: no one is "cancelling out" the Vikings game that went to overtime. And if anyone wants to say the 49ers game, wherein the Bears went into halftime down 24-0 with single-digit yards on offense before Williams finished the game 17/23 with two touchdowns, was not that good a game, that's fine.

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sending a man in motion is the way to read the defense. 9 out of 10 times, if the man in motion is picked up/followed, the D is playing man. in that case, the call should be for something vertical. if the man in motion is not picked up/followed, chances are the D is playing zone and a great chance to audible to something horizontal.

i mean, if he doesn't know that he has this as a tool to help him decipher a defense, the staff should be teaching him this.

No, Dr Style and USA are cancelling our the stats of a game that went to OT. I get not counting the SF touchdowns.

That's why I asked how many counted. Dr Style said 14. That's fair though it includes some part of his garbage time stats he repeats over and over. USA mostly ignores real discussion on this so he won't answer.

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I think this entire argument is fucking stupid when you are talking about a quarterback who is as demonstrably terrible as Caleb Williams is in literally every game he has played since he got home from London. The stats don’t matter.

Good to see things are still appearing rational in Bears world, sure as hell is entertaining.

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As I said, at least Dr Style has a real discussion on this.

Williams, and it's a low bar for sure, is the best rookie QB we've had in my lifetime. Hopefully he improves next year.

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